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Steve Emtman - Greatest Defensive Lineman in Pac-12 History

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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,076
    dnc said:

    Goduckies said:

    Lol uh no 5 years in the NFL vs 12 years Pro Bowler and soon to be hall of famer Haloti Ngata.

    12th NFL pick versus 1st NFL pick.

    0 Heisman votes (tied for last in the country) versus 357 Heisman votes (four in the country).

    Ngata was a very good player. Stan Emptermann, before he blew out his knees was better.

    HTH
    This isn't even debatable.

    Only a fucking idiot in their 20's/early 30s would even try to make a case for Ngata.

    Stan Empterman was otherworldly.

  • AOG
    AOG Member Posts: 2,673

    AOG said:

    why did huge shoulderpads and the horseshoe neck pad go out of vogue? That's the problem!

    This!

  • dtd
    dtd Member Posts: 5,285 Standard Supporter
    edited March 2023
    In Haloti's defense, and I'm not debating here, because there isn't one to be had, but it's not at all a fair comparison. Haloti was a 0 tech 2 gap 3-4 NT most downs. How many modern NFL HoFers are there at that position? Wilfork? Ted Washington? Stan was a wrecking ball who shot gaps and ran TE stunts, and he was a way better college football player, but Haloti was a better Virta Via.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGOaLzgf8TI&ab_channel=SW561

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBHdmX2MINg&ab_channel=J.J.Meredith

    lol
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,046
    edited March 2023
    dtd said:

    In Haloti's defense, and I'm not debating here, because there isn't one to be had, but it's not at all a fair comparison. Haloti was a 0 tech 2 gap 3-4 NT most downs. How many modern NFL HoFers are there at that position? Wilfork? Ted Washington? Stan was a wrecking ball who shot gaps and ran TE stunts, and he was a way better college football player, but Haloti was a better Virta Via.



    I like defensive linemen who do both. This guy could stuff and hold the middle and get after the QB like a bitch. Better than store-bought donuts and Mormon Polys IMO.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTycAlWhrt8

    At the 1:14 mark, All-Time Husky great Warren Moon says Stan Empterman couldn't hold Kennedy's jock, and Oregon's LDS Poly can't do his laundry. Doesn't get more definitive than that.

    Some things to consider:

    NFL Defensive Player of the Year (1992) (on a 2 win team)
    3× First-team All-Pro (1992–1994)
    2× Second-team All-Pro (1991, 1996)
    8× Pro Bowl (1991–1996, 1998, 1999)
    NFL 1990s All-Decade Team
    PFWA All-Rookie Team (1990)
    Seattle Seahawks Ring of Honor
    Seattle Seahawks No. 96 retired
    2× National champion (1987, 1989)
    Consensus All-American (1989)
    Pro FB Hall of Fame
    I saw him dunk a basketball

    I don't recall where he played in college, but I don't think it was the Pac 10. Word is he wanted to be a Husky but didn't have the grades and was afraid of the competition.

  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,886 Founders Club
    Didn't play in the Pac 12
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,046

    Didn't play in the Pac 12

    Are you sure?
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,416 Founders Club

    dtd said:

    In Haloti's defense, and I'm not debating here, because there isn't one to be had, but it's not at all a fair comparison. Haloti was a 0 tech 2 gap 3-4 NT most downs. How many modern NFL HoFers are there at that position? Wilfork? Ted Washington? Stan was a wrecking ball who shot gaps and ran TE stunts, and he was a way better college football player, but Haloti was a better Virta Via.



    I like defensive linemen who do both. This guy could stuff and hold the middle and get after the QB like a bitch. Better than store-bought donuts and Mormon Polys IMO.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTycAlWhrt8

    At the 1:14 mark, All-Time Husky great Warren Moon says Stan Empterman couldn't hold Kennedy's jock, and Oregon's LDS Poly can't do his laundry. Doesn't get more definitive than that.

    Some things to consider:

    NFL Defensive Player of the Year (1992) (on a 2 win team)
    3× First-team All-Pro (1992–1994)
    2× Second-team All-Pro (1991, 1996)
    8× Pro Bowl (1991–1996, 1998, 1999)
    NFL 1990s All-Decade Team
    PFWA All-Rookie Team (1990)
    Seattle Seahawks Ring of Honor
    Seattle Seahawks No. 96 retired
    2× National champion (1987, 1989)
    Consensus All-American (1989)
    Pro FB Hall of Fame
    I saw him dunk a basketball

    I don't recall where he played in college, but I don't think it was the Pac 10. Word is he wanted to be a Husky but didn't have the grades and was afraid of the competition.

    I think I can fit that onto a pilsner glass
  • dtd
    dtd Member Posts: 5,285 Standard Supporter

    dtd said:

    In Haloti's defense, and I'm not debating here, because there isn't one to be had, but it's not at all a fair comparison. Haloti was a 0 tech 2 gap 3-4 NT most downs. How many modern NFL HoFers are there at that position? Wilfork? Ted Washington? Stan was a wrecking ball who shot gaps and ran TE stunts, and he was a way better college football player, but Haloti was a better Virta Via.



    I like defensive linemen who do both. This guy could stuff and hold the middle and get after the QB like a bitch. Better than store-bought donuts and Mormon Polys IMO.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTycAlWhrt8

    At the 1:14 mark, All-Time Husky great Warren Moon says Stan Empterman couldn't hold Kennedy's jock, and Oregon's LDS Poly can't do his laundry. Doesn't get more definitive than that.

    Some things to consider:

    NFL Defensive Player of the Year (1992) (on a 2 win team)
    3× First-team All-Pro (1992–1994)
    2× Second-team All-Pro (1991, 1996)
    8× Pro Bowl (1991–1996, 1998, 1999)
    NFL 1990s All-Decade Team
    PFWA All-Rookie Team (1990)
    Seattle Seahawks Ring of Honor
    Seattle Seahawks No. 96 retired
    2× National champion (1987, 1989)
    Consensus All-American (1989)
    Pro FB Hall of Fame
    I saw him dunk a basketball


    word
  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,227 Standard Supporter
    Goduckies said:

    Lol uh no 5 years in the NFL vs 12 years Pro Bowler and soon to be hall of famer Haloti Ngata.

    Fuckin A, man.

    dtd said:

    In Haloti's defense, and I'm not debating here, because there isn't one to be had, but it's not at all a fair comparison. Haloti was a 0 tech 2 gap 3-4 NT most downs. How many modern NFL HoFers are there at that position? Wilfork? Ted Washington? Stan was a wrecking ball who shot gaps and ran TE stunts, and he was a way better college football player, but Haloti was a better Virta Via.



    I like defensive linemen who do both. This guy could stuff and hold the middle and get after the QB like a bitch. Better than store-bought donuts and Mormon Polys IMO.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTycAlWhrt8

    At the 1:14 mark, All-Time Husky great Warren Moon says Stan Empterman couldn't hold Kennedy's jock, and Oregon's LDS Poly can't do his laundry. Doesn't get more definitive than that.

    Some things to consider:

    NFL Defensive Player of the Year (1992) (on a 2 win team)
    3× First-team All-Pro (1992–1994)
    2× Second-team All-Pro (1991, 1996)
    8× Pro Bowl (1991–1996, 1998, 1999)
    NFL 1990s All-Decade Team
    PFWA All-Rookie Team (1990)
    Seattle Seahawks Ring of Honor
    Seattle Seahawks No. 96 retired
    2× National champion (1987, 1989)
    Consensus All-American (1989)
    Pro FB Hall of Fame
    I saw him dunk a basketball

    I don't recall where he played in college, but I don't think it was the Pac 10. Word is he wanted to be a Husky but didn't have the grades and was afraid of the competition.

    I must have missed where Moon played against Stan in college.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,046

    Goduckies said:

    Lol uh no 5 years in the NFL vs 12 years Pro Bowler and soon to be hall of famer Haloti Ngata.

    Fuckin A, man.

    dtd said:

    In Haloti's defense, and I'm not debating here, because there isn't one to be had, but it's not at all a fair comparison. Haloti was a 0 tech 2 gap 3-4 NT most downs. How many modern NFL HoFers are there at that position? Wilfork? Ted Washington? Stan was a wrecking ball who shot gaps and ran TE stunts, and he was a way better college football player, but Haloti was a better Virta Via.



    I like defensive linemen who do both. This guy could stuff and hold the middle and get after the QB like a bitch. Better than store-bought donuts and Mormon Polys IMO.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTycAlWhrt8

    At the 1:14 mark, All-Time Husky great Warren Moon says Stan Empterman couldn't hold Kennedy's jock, and Oregon's LDS Poly can't do his laundry. Doesn't get more definitive than that.

    Some things to consider:

    NFL Defensive Player of the Year (1992) (on a 2 win team)
    3× First-team All-Pro (1992–1994)
    2× Second-team All-Pro (1991, 1996)
    8× Pro Bowl (1991–1996, 1998, 1999)
    NFL 1990s All-Decade Team
    PFWA All-Rookie Team (1990)
    Seattle Seahawks Ring of Honor
    Seattle Seahawks No. 96 retired
    2× National champion (1987, 1989)
    Consensus All-American (1989)
    Pro FB Hall of Fame
    I saw him dunk a basketball

    I don't recall where he played in college, but I don't think it was the Pac 10. Word is he wanted to be a Husky but didn't have the grades and was afraid of the competition.

    I must have missed where Moon played against Stan in college.
    You might have.

    In any event, if you can’t trust Moon’s assessment, you can’t be a Real Dawg.
  • Fenderbender123
    Fenderbender123 Member Posts: 2,989
    Why are we back to talking about NFL careers? Emtman was a better college player than Cortez, too.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,046
    edited March 2023

    Why are we back to talking about NFL careers? Emtman was a better college player than Cortez, too.

    2 rings > 1 ring. @RaceBannon

    But I will concede that Emtman had more class than Kennedy, at least in college. Compare/contrast. Vulgarity vs. Pure Jubilation. The wrong way vs. the right way.





    Not even close IMO. Emtman waaay classier.


  • EwaDawg
    EwaDawg Member Posts: 4,335
    edited March 2023

    dtd said:

    In Haloti's defense, and I'm not debating here, because there isn't one to be had, but it's not at all a fair comparison. Haloti was a 0 tech 2 gap 3-4 NT most downs. How many modern NFL HoFers are there at that position? Wilfork? Ted Washington? Stan was a wrecking ball who shot gaps and ran TE stunts, and he was a way better college football player, but Haloti was a better Virta Via.



    I like defensive linemen who do both. This guy could stuff and hold the middle and get after the QB like a bitch. Better than store-bought donuts and Mormon Polys IMO.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTycAlWhrt8

    At the 1:14 mark, All-Time Husky great Warren Moon says Stan Empterman couldn't hold Kennedy's jock, and Oregon's LDS Poly can't do his laundry. Doesn't get more definitive than that.

    Some things to consider:

    NFL Defensive Player of the Year (1992) (on a 2 win team)
    3× First-team All-Pro (1992–1994)
    2× Second-team All-Pro (1991, 1996)
    8× Pro Bowl (1991–1996, 1998, 1999)
    NFL 1990s All-Decade Team
    PFWA All-Rookie Team (1990)
    Seattle Seahawks Ring of Honor
    Seattle Seahawks No. 96 retired
    2× National champion (1987, 1989)
    Consensus All-American (1989)
    Pro FB Hall of Fame
    I saw him dunk a basketball

    I don't recall where he played in college, but I don't think it was the Pac 10. Word is he wanted to be a Husky but didn't have the grades and was afraid of the competition.

    Why are we back to talking about NFL careers? Emtman was a better college player than Cortez, too.

    Because said poasters are trying to support an unsupportable poont.

    HTH
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    dnc said:

    dtd said:

    In Haloti's defense, and I'm not debating here, because there isn't one to be had, but it's not at all a fair comparison. Haloti was a 0 tech 2 gap 3-4 NT most downs. How many modern NFL HoFers are there at that position? Wilfork? Ted Washington? Stan was a wrecking ball who shot gaps and ran TE stunts, and he was a way better college football player, but Haloti was a better Virta Via.



    I like defensive linemen who do both. This guy could stuff and hold the middle and get after the QB like a bitch. Better than store-bought donuts and Mormon Polys IMO.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTycAlWhrt8

    At the 1:14 mark, All-Time Husky great Warren Moon says Stan Empterman couldn't hold Kennedy's jock, and Oregon's LDS Poly can't do his laundry. Doesn't get more definitive than that.

    Some things to consider:

    NFL Defensive Player of the Year (1992) (on a 2 win team)
    3× First-team All-Pro (1992–1994)
    2× Second-team All-Pro (1991, 1996)
    8× Pro Bowl (1991–1996, 1998, 1999)
    NFL 1990s All-Decade Team
    PFWA All-Rookie Team (1990)
    Seattle Seahawks Ring of Honor
    Seattle Seahawks No. 96 retired
    2× National champion (1987, 1989)
    Consensus All-American (1989)
    Pro FB Hall of Fame
    I saw him dunk a basketball

    I don't recall where he played in college, but I don't think it was the Pac 10. Word is he wanted to be a Husky but didn't have the grades and was afraid of the competition.

    I know Wiki says he won a natty in 87 but he was at Northwest MS CC in 87 (#MyRangers). Unless Northwest won a CC natty then Tez only had one natty ring.
    Bully!
    True.

    Also #MississippiCCSuperiorityGuy
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,046
    edited March 2023
    dnc said:

    dtd said:

    In Haloti's defense, and I'm not debating here, because there isn't one to be had, but it's not at all a fair comparison. Haloti was a 0 tech 2 gap 3-4 NT most downs. How many modern NFL HoFers are there at that position? Wilfork? Ted Washington? Stan was a wrecking ball who shot gaps and ran TE stunts, and he was a way better college football player, but Haloti was a better Virta Via.



    I like defensive linemen who do both. This guy could stuff and hold the middle and get after the QB like a bitch. Better than store-bought donuts and Mormon Polys IMO.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTycAlWhrt8

    At the 1:14 mark, All-Time Husky great Warren Moon says Stan Empterman couldn't hold Kennedy's jock, and Oregon's LDS Poly can't do his laundry. Doesn't get more definitive than that.

    Some things to consider:

    NFL Defensive Player of the Year (1992) (on a 2 win team)
    3× First-team All-Pro (1992–1994)
    2× Second-team All-Pro (1991, 1996)
    8× Pro Bowl (1991–1996, 1998, 1999)
    NFL 1990s All-Decade Team
    PFWA All-Rookie Team (1990)
    Seattle Seahawks Ring of Honor
    Seattle Seahawks No. 96 retired
    2× National champion (1987, 1989)
    Consensus All-American (1989)
    Pro FB Hall of Fame
    I saw him dunk a basketball

    I don't recall where he played in college, but I don't think it was the Pac 10. Word is he wanted to be a Husky but didn't have the grades and was afraid of the competition.

    I know Wiki says he won a natty in 87 but he was at Northwest MS CC in 87 (#MyRangers). Unless Northwest won a CC natty then Tez only had one natty ring.
    If it's on Wiki, it's real.



    Besides, Miami was the best team in the country in 1988 too, so I'm going to pull an old Husky trick and call 1988 a Natty. No, Cleveland Gary didn't fumble. Christ.

    So by the authority of Wiki and the power vested in my, I'm saying 3 ringz now.
  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam
    I knew this thread was going to get creep all spooled up.

    lol
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,416 Founders Club

    dnc said:

    dtd said:

    In Haloti's defense, and I'm not debating here, because there isn't one to be had, but it's not at all a fair comparison. Haloti was a 0 tech 2 gap 3-4 NT most downs. How many modern NFL HoFers are there at that position? Wilfork? Ted Washington? Stan was a wrecking ball who shot gaps and ran TE stunts, and he was a way better college football player, but Haloti was a better Virta Via.



    I like defensive linemen who do both. This guy could stuff and hold the middle and get after the QB like a bitch. Better than store-bought donuts and Mormon Polys IMO.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTycAlWhrt8

    At the 1:14 mark, All-Time Husky great Warren Moon says Stan Empterman couldn't hold Kennedy's jock, and Oregon's LDS Poly can't do his laundry. Doesn't get more definitive than that.

    Some things to consider:

    NFL Defensive Player of the Year (1992) (on a 2 win team)
    3× First-team All-Pro (1992–1994)
    2× Second-team All-Pro (1991, 1996)
    8× Pro Bowl (1991–1996, 1998, 1999)
    NFL 1990s All-Decade Team
    PFWA All-Rookie Team (1990)
    Seattle Seahawks Ring of Honor
    Seattle Seahawks No. 96 retired
    2× National champion (1987, 1989)
    Consensus All-American (1989)
    Pro FB Hall of Fame
    I saw him dunk a basketball

    I don't recall where he played in college, but I don't think it was the Pac 10. Word is he wanted to be a Husky but didn't have the grades and was afraid of the competition.

    I know Wiki says he won a natty in 87 but he was at Northwest MS CC in 87 (#MyRangers). Unless Northwest won a CC natty then Tez only had one natty ring.
    If it's on Wiki, it's real.



    Besides, Miami was the best team in the country in 1988 too, so I'm going to pull an old Husky trick and call 1988 a Natty. No, Cleveland Gary didn't fumble. Christ.

    So by the authority of Wiki and the power vested in my, I'm saying 3 ringz now.
    Fun Fact: Micheal Irvin wanted to be a Husky
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,046

    dnc said:

    dtd said:

    In Haloti's defense, and I'm not debating here, because there isn't one to be had, but it's not at all a fair comparison. Haloti was a 0 tech 2 gap 3-4 NT most downs. How many modern NFL HoFers are there at that position? Wilfork? Ted Washington? Stan was a wrecking ball who shot gaps and ran TE stunts, and he was a way better college football player, but Haloti was a better Virta Via.



    I like defensive linemen who do both. This guy could stuff and hold the middle and get after the QB like a bitch. Better than store-bought donuts and Mormon Polys IMO.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTycAlWhrt8

    At the 1:14 mark, All-Time Husky great Warren Moon says Stan Empterman couldn't hold Kennedy's jock, and Oregon's LDS Poly can't do his laundry. Doesn't get more definitive than that.

    Some things to consider:

    NFL Defensive Player of the Year (1992) (on a 2 win team)
    3× First-team All-Pro (1992–1994)
    2× Second-team All-Pro (1991, 1996)
    8× Pro Bowl (1991–1996, 1998, 1999)
    NFL 1990s All-Decade Team
    PFWA All-Rookie Team (1990)
    Seattle Seahawks Ring of Honor
    Seattle Seahawks No. 96 retired
    2× National champion (1987, 1989)
    Consensus All-American (1989)
    Pro FB Hall of Fame
    I saw him dunk a basketball

    I don't recall where he played in college, but I don't think it was the Pac 10. Word is he wanted to be a Husky but didn't have the grades and was afraid of the competition.

    I know Wiki says he won a natty in 87 but he was at Northwest MS CC in 87 (#MyRangers). Unless Northwest won a CC natty then Tez only had one natty ring.
    If it's on Wiki, it's real.



    Besides, Miami was the best team in the country in 1988 too, so I'm going to pull an old Husky trick and call 1988 a Natty. No, Cleveland Gary didn't fumble. Christ.

    So by the authority of Wiki and the power vested in my, I'm saying 3 ringz now.
    Fun Fact: Micheal Irvin wanted to be a Husky
    He wanted to, but Don James wanted wide receivers with actual talent.

    #PaulSkansibitch
  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,227 Standard Supporter
    For the record, Skansi did manage to carve out a 9-year NFL career.
  • EwaDawg
    EwaDawg Member Posts: 4,335
    edited March 2023

    For the record, Skansi did manage to carve out a 9-year NFL career.

    Don't further confuse the confused one with facts. Thank you very much.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,046
    EwaDawg said:

    For the record, Skansi did manage to carve out a 9-year NFL career.

    Don't further confuse the confused one with facts. Thank you very much.
    You are wandering back to old form. Like when you used to take things that are ostensibly meant as foolish banter personally and seriously. It’s almost as if you think I’m talking about you. I’ve always thought that was weird.

    There are many things that can said of me. Confused about anything that is clear to you is not one of them. Rest easy. I know Paul Skansi was a good receiver. I was around when he played.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,046

    For the record, Skansi did manage to carve out a 9-year NFL career.

    It is noted for the record.
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,416 Founders Club

    EwaDawg said:

    For the record, Skansi did manage to carve out a 9-year NFL career.

    Don't further confuse the confused one with facts. Thank you very much.
    You are wandering back to old form. Like when you used to take things that are ostensibly meant as foolish banter personally and seriously. It’s almost as if you think I’m talking about you. I’ve always thought that was weird.

    There are many things that can said of me. Confused about anything that is clear to you is not one of them. Rest easy. I know Paul Skansi was a good receiver. I was around when he played.
    Paul Skansi wanted to be a Husky
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,886 Founders Club
    Wes Welker was a Paul Skansi type receiver
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,416 Founders Club

    EwaDawg said:

    For the record, Skansi did manage to carve out a 9-year NFL career.

    Don't further confuse the confused one with facts. Thank you very much.
    You are wandering back to old form. Like when you used to take things that are ostensibly meant as foolish banter personally and seriously. It’s almost as if you think I’m talking about you. I’ve always thought that was weird.

    There are many things that can said of me. Confused about anything that is clear to you is not one of them. Rest easy. I know Paul Skansi was a good receiver. I was around when he played.
    Paul Skansi wanted to be a Husky

    Emtman vs Ngata isn’t even a conversation college speaking. Emptman was conference defensive player of the year as a sophomore. Ngata was second team all conference.

    If you call Suggs a dlineman that’s a convo.

    Great call. Suggs was a terror
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,046

    Wes Welker was a Paul Skansi type receiver

    Wes Welker wanted to be a Husky. Dad said no; RN too west coast.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,046

    EwaDawg said:

    For the record, Skansi did manage to carve out a 9-year NFL career.

    Don't further confuse the confused one with facts. Thank you very much.
    You are wandering back to old form. Like when you used to take things that are ostensibly meant as foolish banter personally and seriously. It’s almost as if you think I’m talking about you. I’ve always thought that was weird.

    There are many things that can said of me. Confused about anything that is clear to you is not one of them. Rest easy. I know Paul Skansi was a good receiver. I was around when he played.
    Paul Skansi wanted to be a Husky

    Emtman vs Ngata isn’t even a conversation college speaking. Emptman was conference defensive player of the year as a sophomore. Ngata was second team all conference.

    If you call Suggs a dlineman that’s a convo.

    Great call. Suggs was a terror
    Mom said no. Don James too short.