Credit to the staff, but LB and safety are still a question mark

PostGameOrangeSlices

They saw the same stuff that we did on defense. Spectacular offensive and dline efforts wasted by mediocre LB play and horrible secondary play.

So far they have brought in:

CB - 2nd Team all Big 12 likely starter, two 4 star freshman, a Juco All-American, three 3 star freshman. This could in theory turn into a position of strength

LB - USC starter at times who hits hard and should at worst be good depth, two 3 star freshman. I'm not that concerned about this position. Tuputala and Bruener are veterans, if Ulofoshio is healthy he is our best backer, Harnetiaux should be good

Safety - ???? Maybe one ATH that plays safety? Not sure what the plan is here to be honest. The staff seems to like Dunn. Hopefully Hampton learns to cover and Asa looks like he did against Oregon State all year. Maybe Kam Fab does something besides get hurdled and become a walking opposition highlight reel. I would be shocked if we don't get another portal player.




Regardless, if the defense cannot improve to top 3 in the conference next year - DeBoer should bring in a proven SEC DC stuck behind a horrible offense.

Canadawg

It will take a while for me to trust all american FCS CBs after Perryman

whatshouldicareabout

Holmes and Diesel will prob start at safety

backthepack

Canadawg said:

It will take a while for me to trust all american FCS CBs after Perryman

sure but this guy did it in the big 12.

AtomicDawg

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

They saw the same stuff that we did on defense. Spectacular offensive and dline efforts wasted by mediocre LB play and horrible secondary play.

So far they have brought in:

CB - 2nd Team all Big 12 likely starter, two 4 star freshman, a Juco All-American, three 3 star freshman. This could in theory turn into a position of strength

LB - USC starter at times who hits hard and should at worst be good depth, two 3 star freshman. I'm not that concerned about this position. Tuputala and Bruener are veterans, if Ulofoshio is healthy he is our best backer, Harnetiaux should be good

Safety - ???? Maybe one ATH that plays safety? Not sure what the plan is here to be honest. The staff seems to like Dunn. Hopefully Hampton learns to cover and Asa looks like he did against Oregon State all year. Maybe Kam Fab does something besides get hurdled and become a walking opposition highlight reel. I would be shocked if we don't get another portal player.




Regardless, if the defense cannot improve to top 3 in the conference next year - DeBoer should bring in a proven SEC DC stuck behind a horrible offense.

The defense did suck last year so don’t twist, but I think they actually ended in the top 3. Maybe it was yards or ppg. Can’t remember. I can’t handle another year of the ups and downs of the shitty secondary and linebacker play. The d line is too good to waste.

bananasnblondes

I'm not too worried about LB. The combo of Eddie, Tupatala, Bruener, and Goforth is pretty damn solid barring any major injury issues. I also really like Bryant and Whitney coming in. Both were super underrated (Bryant was a much more important and dynamic player for Bosco than DJ ukuleles 5* brother)

Safety is still an issue. Wish we had pulled a transfer at this position. Maybe Hampton finally stands out next year. KamFab and Asa continue to disappoint. Maybe Dunn,
Esteen, and Nunley step up next year but safety feels like our shakiest position and we only took 1 guy there

PostGameOrangeSlices

whatshouldicareabout said:

Holmes and Diesel will prob start at safety

There is no way

LawDawg1

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

They saw the same stuff that we did on defense. Spectacular offensive and dline efforts wasted by mediocre LB play and horrible secondary play.

So far they have brought in:

CB - 2nd Team all Big 12 likely starter, two 4 star freshman, a Juco All-American, three 3 star freshman. This could in theory turn into a position of strength

LB - USC starter at times who hits hard and should at worst be good depth, two 3 star freshman. I'm not that concerned about this position. Tuputala and Bruener are veterans, if Ulofoshio is healthy he is our best backer, Harnetiaux should be good

Safety - ???? Maybe one ATH that plays safety? Not sure what the plan is here to be honest. The staff seems to like Dunn. Hopefully Hampton learns to cover and Asa looks like he did against Oregon State all year. Maybe Kam Fab does something besides get hurdled and become a walking opposition highlight reel. I would be shocked if we don't get another portal player.




Regardless, if the defense cannot improve to top 3 in the conference next year - DeBoer should bring in a proven SEC DC stuck behind a horrible offense.

this defense was top 3 this year... as sad and pathetic as that is... HTH.

PostGameOrangeSlices

LawDawg1 said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

They saw the same stuff that we did on defense. Spectacular offensive and dline efforts wasted by mediocre LB play and horrible secondary play.

So far they have brought in:

CB - 2nd Team all Big 12 likely starter, two 4 star freshman, a Juco All-American, three 3 star freshman. This could in theory turn into a position of strength

LB - USC starter at times who hits hard and should at worst be good depth, two 3 star freshman. I'm not that concerned about this position. Tuputala and Bruener are veterans, if Ulofoshio is healthy he is our best backer, Harnetiaux should be good

Safety - ???? Maybe one ATH that plays safety? Not sure what the plan is here to be honest. The staff seems to like Dunn. Hopefully Hampton learns to cover and Asa looks like he did against Oregon State all year. Maybe Kam Fab does something besides get hurdled and become a walking opposition highlight reel. I would be shocked if we don't get another portal player.




Regardless, if the defense cannot improve to top 3 in the conference next year - DeBoer should bring in a proven SEC DC stuck behind a horrible offense.

this defense was top 3 this year... as sad and pathetic as that is... HTH.

Not in total defense

dnc

I'm not sure some of these incoming DBs don't end up at safety but I agree I feel better about taking a step forward at CB than S. OTOH safety was 100x better than corner this year so corner taking a step forward should be the absolute minimum expectation.

LawDawg1

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

LawDawg1 said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

They saw the same stuff that we did on defense. Spectacular offensive and dline efforts wasted by mediocre LB play and horrible secondary play.

So far they have brought in:

CB - 2nd Team all Big 12 likely starter, two 4 star freshman, a Juco All-American, three 3 star freshman. This could in theory turn into a position of strength

LB - USC starter at times who hits hard and should at worst be good depth, two 3 star freshman. I'm not that concerned about this position. Tuputala and Bruener are veterans, if Ulofoshio is healthy he is our best backer, Harnetiaux should be good

Safety - ???? Maybe one ATH that plays safety? Not sure what the plan is here to be honest. The staff seems to like Dunn. Hopefully Hampton learns to cover and Asa looks like he did against Oregon State all year. Maybe Kam Fab does something besides get hurdled and become a walking opposition highlight reel. I would be shocked if we don't get another portal player.




Regardless, if the defense cannot improve to top 3 in the conference next year - DeBoer should bring in a proven SEC DC stuck behind a horrible offense.

this defense was top 3 this year... as sad and pathetic as that is... HTH.

Not in total defense

Yards per play allowed: #2
Sacks: tied #1
Yards allowed per game: #3

What other stats do you need to somehow substantiate this shit defense was still top 3 in the Pac 12?

backthepack

LawDawg1 said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

LawDawg1 said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

They saw the same stuff that we did on defense. Spectacular offensive and dline efforts wasted by mediocre LB play and horrible secondary play.

So far they have brought in:

CB - 2nd Team all Big 12 likely starter, two 4 star freshman, a Juco All-American, three 3 star freshman. This could in theory turn into a position of strength

LB - USC starter at times who hits hard and should at worst be good depth, two 3 star freshman. I'm not that concerned about this position. Tuputala and Bruener are veterans, if Ulofoshio is healthy he is our best backer, Harnetiaux should be good

Safety - ???? Maybe one ATH that plays safety? Not sure what the plan is here to be honest. The staff seems to like Dunn. Hopefully Hampton learns to cover and Asa looks like he did against Oregon State all year. Maybe Kam Fab does something besides get hurdled and become a walking opposition highlight reel. I would be shocked if we don't get another portal player.




Regardless, if the defense cannot improve to top 3 in the conference next year - DeBoer should bring in a proven SEC DC stuck behind a horrible offense.

this defense was top 3 this year... as sad and pathetic as that is... HTH.

Not in total defense

Yards per play allowed: #2
Sacks: tied #1
Yards allowed per game: #3

What other stats do you need to somehow substantiate this shit defense was still top 3 in the Pac 12?

Now adjust for opponent

LawDawg1

backthepack said:

LawDawg1 said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

LawDawg1 said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

They saw the same stuff that we did on defense. Spectacular offensive and dline efforts wasted by mediocre LB play and horrible secondary play.

So far they have brought in:

CB - 2nd Team all Big 12 likely starter, two 4 star freshman, a Juco All-American, three 3 star freshman. This could in theory turn into a position of strength

LB - USC starter at times who hits hard and should at worst be good depth, two 3 star freshman. I'm not that concerned about this position. Tuputala and Bruener are veterans, if Ulofoshio is healthy he is our best backer, Harnetiaux should be good

Safety - ???? Maybe one ATH that plays safety? Not sure what the plan is here to be honest. The staff seems to like Dunn. Hopefully Hampton learns to cover and Asa looks like he did against Oregon State all year. Maybe Kam Fab does something besides get hurdled and become a walking opposition highlight reel. I would be shocked if we don't get another portal player.




Regardless, if the defense cannot improve to top 3 in the conference next year - DeBoer should bring in a proven SEC DC stuck behind a horrible offense.

this defense was top 3 this year... as sad and pathetic as that is... HTH.

Not in total defense

Yards per play allowed: #2
Sacks: tied #1
Yards allowed per game: #3

What other stats do you need to somehow substantiate this shit defense was still top 3 in the Pac 12?

Now adjust for opponent

So Penix wasn't the NCAA passing leader and we didn't have the best 3rd down offense in the nation because we have to adjust for opponent on every stat now?

RaceBannon

This isn't your grandfather's defense. Not even your older brother's defense

In the 60's and 70's the best defenses held teams to around 200 yards a game. Or less in a mismatch. James was a defense first coach and early Husky teams had stats that a modern team would be hard pressed to match in a half

As the 80's turned into the 90's the various spread and run and shoot and one back attacks had the offense gaining the upper hand. So 300-400 yards became good defense. James had enough in 89m and went to the kill your QB 46 defense. Offense caught up to that too

But what really sealed the fate of defense was the hurry up by Chip which is now used by everyone. No huddle and go fast or slow. Spread them out and run it as the defenses got smaller and faster to stop the pass

If the D bunches the box then throw it over them.

Good defense is now holding the opponent to one point less than you score. To come up big when it matters. To play tuff in the red zone

Other than letting the ASU back up look like Bart Starr the Husky defense did that for the most part. The stats make sense even though the D was "horrible" by past standards

FireTheJanitor

LawDawg1 said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

LawDawg1 said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

They saw the same stuff that we did on defense. Spectacular offensive and dline efforts wasted by mediocre LB play and horrible secondary play.

So far they have brought in:

CB - 2nd Team all Big 12 likely starter, two 4 star freshman, a Juco All-American, three 3 star freshman. This could in theory turn into a position of strength

LB - USC starter at times who hits hard and should at worst be good depth, two 3 star freshman. I'm not that concerned about this position. Tuputala and Bruener are veterans, if Ulofoshio is healthy he is our best backer, Harnetiaux should be good

Safety - ???? Maybe one ATH that plays safety? Not sure what the plan is here to be honest. The staff seems to like Dunn. Hopefully Hampton learns to cover and Asa looks like he did against Oregon State all year. Maybe Kam Fab does something besides get hurdled and become a walking opposition highlight reel. I would be shocked if we don't get another portal player.




Regardless, if the defense cannot improve to top 3 in the conference next year - DeBoer should bring in a proven SEC DC stuck behind a horrible offense.

this defense was top 3 this year... as sad and pathetic as that is... HTH.

Not in total defense

Yards per play allowed: #2
Sacks: tied #1
Yards allowed per game: #3

What other stats do you need to somehow substantiate this shit defense was still top 3 in the Pac 12?

4th in points allowed. Kind of an important stat.

LawDawg1

RaceBannon said:

This isn't your grandfather's defense. Not even your older brother's defense

In the 60's and 70's the best defenses held teams to around 200 yards a game. Or less in a mismatch. James was a defense first coach and early Husky teams had stats that a modern team would be hard pressed to match in a half

As the 80's turned into the 90's the various spread and run and shoot and one back attacks had the offense gaining the upper hand. So 300-400 yards became good defense. James had enough in 89m and went to the kill your QB 46 defense. Offense caught up to that too

But what really sealed the fate of defense was the hurry up by Chip which is now used by everyone. No huddle and go fast or slow. Spread them out and run it as the defenses got smaller and faster to stop the pass

If the D bunches the box then throw it over them.

Good defense is now holding the opponent to one point less than you score. To come up big when it matters. To play tuff in the red zone

Other than letting the ASU back up look like Bart Starr the Husky defense did that for the most part. The stats make sense even though the D was "horrible" by past standards

Agreed except for the missed tackles and wide open WRs.... And yet with that, the stats say top 3 in conference.

Sources

LawDawg1 said:

RaceBannon said:

This isn't your grandfather's defense. Not even your older brother's defense

In the 60's and 70's the best defenses held teams to around 200 yards a game. Or less in a mismatch. James was a defense first coach and early Husky teams had stats that a modern team would be hard pressed to match in a half

As the 80's turned into the 90's the various spread and run and shoot and one back attacks had the offense gaining the upper hand. So 300-400 yards became good defense. James had enough in 89m and went to the kill your QB 46 defense. Offense caught up to that too

But what really sealed the fate of defense was the hurry up by Chip which is now used by everyone. No huddle and go fast or slow. Spread them out and run it as the defenses got smaller and faster to stop the pass

If the D bunches the box then throw it over them.

Good defense is now holding the opponent to one point less than you score. To come up big when it matters. To play tuff in the red zone

Other than letting the ASU back up look like Bart Starr the Husky defense did that for the most part. The stats make sense even though the D was "horrible" by past standards

Agreed except for the missed tackles and wide open WRs.... And yet with that, the stats say top 3 in conference.

The poor tackling was a concern, as was the frequent presnap confusion. Both seemed to improve down the stretch, as evidenced by a 6-0 finish. Second year in this system with an upgrade at DB should help

RaceBannon

I was just glancing through the stats for Bama and UW on defense. Bama has great stats except for giving up 52 to Tennessee and 32 to LSU. Both are 10-2 but Bama dominated the rest of the teams on their schedule and UW didn't.

https://rolltide.com/sports/football/stats

https://gohuskies.com/sports/football/stats

UW had 65 trips to the red zone. Bama 60

As folks here know - UW sucked on 3rd and 4th down and the stats bear that out - opponents were 45% on 3rd down and 47% on 4th down.

Bama held opponents to 29% and 34%. That has become a big stat in getting the other team off the field. Been a problem here for years

whatshouldicareabout

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

whatshouldicareabout said:

Holmes and Diesel will prob start at safety

There is no way

Oops, did not mean start as in starters, but that's the positions they'll start off in at the beginning of spring/fall camp and then may move to corner or HUSKY

backthepack

LawDawg1 said:

backthepack said:

LawDawg1 said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

LawDawg1 said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

They saw the same stuff that we did on defense. Spectacular offensive and dline efforts wasted by mediocre LB play and horrible secondary play.

So far they have brought in:

CB - 2nd Team all Big 12 likely starter, two 4 star freshman, a Juco All-American, three 3 star freshman. This could in theory turn into a position of strength

LB - USC starter at times who hits hard and should at worst be good depth, two 3 star freshman. I'm not that concerned about this position. Tuputala and Bruener are veterans, if Ulofoshio is healthy he is our best backer, Harnetiaux should be good

Safety - ???? Maybe one ATH that plays safety? Not sure what the plan is here to be honest. The staff seems to like Dunn. Hopefully Hampton learns to cover and Asa looks like he did against Oregon State all year. Maybe Kam Fab does something besides get hurdled and become a walking opposition highlight reel. I would be shocked if we don't get another portal player.




Regardless, if the defense cannot improve to top 3 in the conference next year - DeBoer should bring in a proven SEC DC stuck behind a horrible offense.

this defense was top 3 this year... as sad and pathetic as that is... HTH.

Not in total defense

Yards per play allowed: #2
Sacks: tied #1
Yards allowed per game: #3

What other stats do you need to somehow substantiate this shit defense was still top 3 in the Pac 12?

Now adjust for opponent

So Penix wasn't the NCAA passing leader and we didn't have the best 3rd down offense in the nation because we have to adjust for opponent on every stat now?

Penix showed up in big games. The defense was ass. Especially the pass defense.

AtomicDawg

backthepack said:

LawDawg1 said:

backthepack said:

LawDawg1 said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

LawDawg1 said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

They saw the same stuff that we did on defense. Spectacular offensive and dline efforts wasted by mediocre LB play and horrible secondary play.

So far they have brought in:

CB - 2nd Team all Big 12 likely starter, two 4 star freshman, a Juco All-American, three 3 star freshman. This could in theory turn into a position of strength

LB - USC starter at times who hits hard and should at worst be good depth, two 3 star freshman. I'm not that concerned about this position. Tuputala and Bruener are veterans, if Ulofoshio is healthy he is our best backer, Harnetiaux should be good

Safety - ???? Maybe one ATH that plays safety? Not sure what the plan is here to be honest. The staff seems to like Dunn. Hopefully Hampton learns to cover and Asa looks like he did against Oregon State all year. Maybe Kam Fab does something besides get hurdled and become a walking opposition highlight reel. I would be shocked if we don't get another portal player.




Regardless, if the defense cannot improve to top 3 in the conference next year - DeBoer should bring in a proven SEC DC stuck behind a horrible offense.

this defense was top 3 this year... as sad and pathetic as that is... HTH.

Not in total defense

Yards per play allowed: #2
Sacks: tied #1
Yards allowed per game: #3

What other stats do you need to somehow substantiate this shit defense was still top 3 in the Pac 12?

Now adjust for opponent

So Penix wasn't the NCAA passing leader and we didn't have the best 3rd down offense in the nation because we have to adjust for opponent on every stat now?

Penix showed up in big games. The defense was ass. Especially the pass defense.

Basically if our d line didn’t get a sack or stop the play themselves, we sucked.