the market speaks on $15 an hour

topdawgnc

unitedliberty.org/articles/17751-warning-to-seattle-seatac-businesses-slashing-benefits-overtime-in-wake-of-wage-hike

Are you happy with the $15 wage?” I asked the full-time cleaning lady.

“It sounds good, but it’s not good,” the woman said.

“Why?” I asked.

“I lost my 401k, health insurance, paid holiday, and vacation,” she responded. “No more free food,” she added.

The hotel used to feed her. Now, she has to bring her own food. Also, no overtime, she said. She used to work extra hours and received overtime pay.

What else? I asked.

“I have to pay for parking,” she said.

CuntWaffle

I just dont know why they stopped at 15.... Should just go to 50. More money equals a better economy and happier people. Fact.

Mad_Son

The idea behind a higher minimum wage is that the money will come out of corporate profits and executive salaries.

Executives didn't become executives by allowing workers to be fairly compensated and letting profits fall. That is a downside to reality.

CuntWaffle

Mad_Son said:

The idea behind a higher minimum wage is that the money will come out of corporate profits and executive salaries.

Executives didn't become executives by allowing workers to be fairly compensated and letting profits fall. That is a downside to reality.

I think we should ban corporate profits. Cap them at the very least.

unfrozencaveman

CuntWaffle said:

I just dont know why they stopped at 15.... Should just go to 50. More money equals a better economy and happier people. Fact.

$15 was a good round number they said - good marketing/politik

Funny thing is, there was a piece in the ST this week (too lazy, look it up yourself) revealing that these Bolsheviks didn't know about inflation. The $15 doesn't get phased in until 2020. They were up in arms that it would be only $13 and some change by that point in time.

These are dangerous people

MikeDamone

They think they are helping the workers making $9.50 an hour and what will happen will all of those people will simply make more. The reality is some off them might, but at $15 the labor supply will grow and there will be more competition for those jobs. The pool people will be better educated, better communication skills (I.e. They speak English) and will take the jobs from those that this is meant to help. They are essentially making it against the law for people who are worth $9.50 to have a job.

Also, demand for labor in that sector will decrease, further squeezing them out. I LOLd at the guy holding the sign demanding a $15 wage...it was in Spanish. He was basically asking the council to outlaw his ability to work.

To the degree that any of this affects the economy is related to how close the wage is to equilibrium. In the past I suspect minimum wage was close to equilibrium and the increases in the wage we small so the affect wasn't dramatic. This increase seems much larger is the affects could be more pronounced.

Seattle also has a fairly strong economy that can absorb some of this, but I think the bottom line is a lot of people who think they are getting a raise will get a big fat zero.

MikeDamone

CuntWaffle said:

I just dont know why they stopped at 15.... Should just go to 50. More money equals a better economy and happier people. Fact.

I've had that conversation. They use a false argument that more money for people to spend will be multiplied and help the economy. It's false because productivity has not changed and they may be taking money that could be used for capital investment. Those are the true drivers of growth. Not consumption. (This is why it's not a zero sum game) And even if it is spent by these people, it has no better benefit than if the owners, executives and managers spent it.

So if you extend their argument out that if $15 is good, why not $50 or $100, they say no one is talking about a wage that high and it's hyperbole. But what they deny or are too dumb to grasp is the same economic models that make $50 ridiculous, apply to $15 and hour. The intuitively know that $50 is too much, but have an arbitrary number in their head they think will work. The question isn't if the wage will be out of equilibrium, but by how much, and how much is acceptable to them? How many people are they willing to hurt in order to help others? That is not compassion, that's using the force of government to coerce people to forward their socialist agenda. It's easy to feign compassion with other peoples money. It makes you look like a fucking hero at cocktail parties and the reception area of the youth symphony ( hi collegedoog).

dnc

MikeDamone said:

They think they are helping the workers making $9.50 an hour and what will happen will all of those people will simply make more. The reality is some off them might, but at $15 the labor supply will grow and there will be more competition for those jobs. The pool people will be better educated, better communication skills (I.e. They speak English) and will take the jobs from those that this is meant to help. They are essentially making it against the law for people who are worth $9.50 to have a job.

Also, demand for labor in that sector will decrease, further squeezing them out. I LOLd at the guy holding the sign demanding a $15 wage...it was in Spanish. He was basically asking the council to outlaw his ability to work.

To the degree that any of this affects the economy is related to how close the wage is to equilibrium. In the past I suspect minimum wage was close to equilibrium and the increases in the wage we small so the affect wasn't dramatic. This increase seems much larger is the affects could be more pronounced.

Seattle also has a fairly strong economy that can absorb some of this, but I think the bottom line is a bot of people who think they are getting a raise will get a big fat zero.

Line

Leave Mrs Blitzkrieg out of this.

priapism

Teachers make $80K in New York, productivity appears up:

nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/queens-gym-teacher-raped-16-year-old-wrestler-school-prosecutors-article-1.1815445

CuntWaffle

priapism said:

Teachers make $80K in New York, productivity appears up:

nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/queens-gym-teacher-raped-16-year-old-wrestler-school-prosecutors-article-1.1815445

Where the fuck were these teachers when I was in school?

MikeDamone

priapism said:

Teachers make $80K in New York, productivity appears up:

nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/queens-gym-teacher-raped-16-year-old-wrestler-school-prosecutors-article-1.1815445

If they were paid 100k they could probably keep the rapists out.

GrundleStiltzkin

priapism said:

Teachers make $80K in New York, productivity appears up:

nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/queens-gym-teacher-raped-16-year-old-wrestler-school-prosecutors-article-1.1815445

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYwzg_WrZqM

PurpleJ

So wait....You're saying that even though we gave people more money, we aren't really getting more money because we aren't producing more? That makes no sense!

CuntWaffle

People should only have to work 4 hours and be paid for 8. I read some article about how Europe is a way better place because of free time and stuff.

PurpleJ

Europe rules, because you can get addicted to smack and get it for free from the government for the rest of your life. What a great place!

priapism

EVERY ounce counts when you're trying to make weight. She really seemed to care and put more effort into her work.

oregonblitzkrieg

Mad_Son said:

The idea behind a higher minimum wage is that the money will come out of corporate profits and executive salaries.

Executives didn't become executives by allowing workers to be fairly compensated and letting profits fall. That is a downside to reality.

Needed to balance D2D's, Mike Damone's and CuntWaffle's FS economic propaganda spooge.

oregonblitzkrieg

MikeDamone said:

CuntWaffle said:

I just dont know why they stopped at 15.... Should just go to 50. More money equals a better economy and happier people. Fact.

I've had that conversation. They use a false argument that more money for people to spend will be multiplied and help the economy. It's false because productivity has not changed and they may be taking money that could be used for capital investment may be taking money meant to put that new swimming pool in your CEO's private jet.

oregonblitzkrieg

CuntWaffle said:

People should only have to work 4 hours and be paid for 8. I read some article about how Europe is a way better place because of free time and stuff.

.

TierbsHsotBoobs

dnc said:

MikeDamone said:

They think they are helping the workers making $9.50 an hour and what will happen will all of those people will simply make more. The reality is some off them might, but at $15 the labor supply will grow and there will be more competition for those jobs. The pool people will be better educated, better communication skills (I.e. They speak English) and will take the jobs from those that this is meant to help. They are essentially making it against the law for people who are worth $9.50 to have a job.

Also, demand for labor in that sector will decrease, further squeezing them out. I LOLd at the guy holding the sign demanding a $15 wage...it was in Spanish. He was basically asking the council to outlaw his ability to work.

To the degree that any of this affects the economy is related to how close the wage is to equilibrium. In the past I suspect minimum wage was close to equilibrium and the increases in the wage we small so the affect wasn't dramatic. This increase seems much larger is the affects could be more pronounced.

Seattle also has a fairly strong economy that can absorb some of this, but I think the bottom line is a bot of people who think they are getting a raise will get a big fat zero.

Line

Leave Mrs Blitzkrieg out of this.

Pictures of Mrs. Blitzkrieg's big fat zero or get the fuck out.

CuntWaffle

Oh thumb yourself blitz