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Kyle Ford, 4* 2019 WR, Anaheim (Servite), CA (Offered 5/21/17)

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  • ZoneUW
    ZoneUW Member Posts: 794
    5-7 USC still more appealing than 10-4 UW
  • TommySQC
    TommySQC Member Posts: 5,813

    Kyle Ford chose chillin in the sun and being rich as hell as a USC alum over winning and being pushed to be the best possible person he could be. The longer you blame the kid for choosing that and not the coach who couldn’t sell the start of a dynasty, with a great education, in a major city of Seattle, the longer you will be Doogs.

    I just want him to break his fucking leg. Or neck. Or back. It's spinal.
  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735
    Yes because a head coach has control over whether or not a kicker makes a game winning field goal. Petersen also lost to Clay Helton when Helton had Darnold. Doesn't say shit about Petersen. A massive disadvantage at the QB position is bound to cost you games. Even with that disadvantage, UW should have won the game. But hey, I'll take a conference championship with a shit QB and stagnant offense all day long. Petersen's the coach of the year in my eyes.

    You bragging about Oregon maybe being first loser for Kyle Ford is interesting considering Pittman and Delgado are UW leftovers.
  • FremontTroll
    FremontTroll Member Posts: 4,744

    Yes because a head coach has control over whether or not a kicker makes a game winning field goal. Petersen also lost to Clay Helton when Helton had Darnold. Doesn't say shit about Petersen. A massive disadvantage at the QB position is bound to cost you games. Even with that disadvantage, UW should have won the game. But hey, I'll take a conference championship with a shit QB and stagnant offense all day long. Petersen's the coach of the year in my eyes.

    You bragging about Oregon maybe being first loser for Kyle Ford is interesting considering Pittman and Delgado are UW leftovers.

    Head coach has control over when to keep running the ball down the opponent's throat or when to give up and settle for a missable field goal attempt you stupid fucking doog.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    It’s easy to play Monday Morning QB

    If the strategy works nobody complains

    When it misses turn everything over and blow it up

    There are consequences to behaviors and strategies
  • Ballz
    Ballz Member Posts: 4,735

    Yes because a head coach has control over whether or not a kicker makes a game winning field goal. Petersen also lost to Clay Helton when Helton had Darnold. Doesn't say shit about Petersen. A massive disadvantage at the QB position is bound to cost you games. Even with that disadvantage, UW should have won the game. But hey, I'll take a conference championship with a shit QB and stagnant offense all day long. Petersen's the coach of the year in my eyes.

    You bragging about Oregon maybe being first loser for Kyle Ford is interesting considering Pittman and Delgado are UW leftovers.

    Head coach has control over when to keep running the ball down the opponent's throat or when to give up and settle for a missable field goal attempt you stupid fucking doog.
    They were in easy field goal territory. Run the ball again and risk a botched hand off, tackle for loss, or a fumble like Oregon had versus Stanford. Either way the kicker missed the fucking kick. No coach has control over that.
  • DawgFader
    DawgFader Member Posts: 1,414
    Tequilla said:

    It’s easy to play Monday Morning QB

    If the strategy works nobody complains

    When it misses turn everything over and blow it up

    There are consequences to behaviors and strategies

    Is the strategy working?

  • sinceredawg
    sinceredawg Member Posts: 833
    How did we fuck this up? Did we even try? Who was his main recruiter?
  • ZoneUW
    ZoneUW Member Posts: 794

    Also remember at one point in the winter and early spring we stopped talking to Ford because we thought Ngata was in the bag and cherished our scholarship numbers so much that we went silent on Ford until Bush came back.



    Think about that.



    We thought it was too big of a burden to go after Ngata and Ford while Jake Haener, Kyler Manu, and Quinten Pounds are all on scholarship and Oklahoma signs three 5 star WR’s for the first time in rivals/scout history.


    The entire strategy is so bad that the act of losing Ngata we also lost Ford. In the act of losing Asa Turner we also lost Noa Pola-Gates and Titus Toler. What are the positives of the “we only have a limited amount of spots so you better commit soon or someone will soon” approach if you get Asa to commit in June and it somehow causes you to miss out on 2 other guys when he decommits? Why did we tell Tre’shaun to go away if we were going to go 0-3 on WR’s the next year. If we fucking know Bru isn’t coming here and most likely neither is Kyle why the fuck would we be so stubborn with Tre’shaun I just don’t fucking get it.

    I'm so ready to fire petersen's ass and get someone who understands how to recruit and how to win big games. Petersen is just competent enough to usually not fuck up against inferior opponents. THAT IS FUCKING IT.

    Only reason we have two titles is the pac 12 is the weakest it's been in a LONG time right now, maybe ever.
  • LaMichael_Corleone
    LaMichael_Corleone Member Posts: 1,316
    Tequilla said:

    It’s easy to play Monday Morning QB

    If the strategy works nobody complains

    When it misses turn everything over and blow it up

    There are consequences to behaviors and strategies

    Where is the upside to shutting down a positions recruiting and trusting the “commitment” of a kid when it’s backfired multiple times. This isn’t an outlier this has hurt us in multiple occasions to the point I want to know the pros about telling kids to fuck off do to a positional cap. It’s dumb.
  • whuggy
    whuggy Member Posts: 2,088

    Tequilla said:

    It’s easy to play Monday Morning QB

    If the strategy works nobody complains

    When it misses turn everything over and blow it up

    There are consequences to behaviors and strategies

    Where is the upside to shutting down a positions recruiting and trusting the “commitment” of a kid when it’s backfired multiple times. This isn’t an outlier this has hurt us in multiple occasions to the point I want to know the pros about telling kids to fuck off do to a positional cap. It’s dumb.
    Very correct. The position should be recruited up until Player A signs. Player B can also commit but should be told the offer is only committable if Player A doesn't sign in the early period. Then even after they sign all players should be continually recruited up until the first day of practice. After that coaches can back off slightly but still have to suck player dick because the new transfer rules means players on your roster will still be recruited by other teams.
  • jhfstyle24
    jhfstyle24 Member Posts: 3,255
    edited January 2019
    Even if Kingsbury leaves and Ford leaves USC then Ford is going to Oregon. Colossal thud.
  • jhfstyle24
    jhfstyle24 Member Posts: 3,255

    ZoneUW said:

    Also remember at one point in the winter and early spring we stopped talking to Ford because we thought Ngata was in the bag and cherished our scholarship numbers so much that we went silent on Ford until Bush came back.



    Think about that.



    We thought it was too big of a burden to go after Ngata and Ford while Jake Haener, Kyler Manu, and Quinten Pounds are all on scholarship and Oklahoma signs three 5 star WR’s for the first time in rivals/scout history.


    The entire strategy is so bad that the act of losing Ngata we also lost Ford. In the act of losing Asa Turner we also lost Noa Pola-Gates and Titus Toler. What are the positives of the “we only have a limited amount of spots so you better commit soon or someone will soon” approach if you get Asa to commit in June and it somehow causes you to miss out on 2 other guys when he decommits? Why did we tell Tre’shaun to go away if we were going to go 0-3 on WR’s the next year. If we fucking know Bru isn’t coming here and most likely neither is Kyle why the fuck would we be so stubborn with Tre’shaun I just don’t fucking get it.

    I'm so ready to fire petersen's ass and get someone who understands how to recruit and how to win big games. Petersen is just competent enough to usually not fuck up against inferior opponents. THAT IS FUCKING IT.

    Only reason we have two titles is the pac 12 is the weakest it's been in a LONG time right now, maybe ever.
    Hi Jack Cobra!
    LuxrayBeats
  • BlastDoor
    BlastDoor Member Posts: 711
    I'm betting on Eric.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098

    Tequilla said:

    It’s easy to play Monday Morning QB

    If the strategy works nobody complains

    When it misses turn everything over and blow it up

    There are consequences to behaviors and strategies

    Where is the upside to shutting down a positions recruiting and trusting the “commitment” of a kid when it’s backfired multiple times. This isn’t an outlier this has hurt us in multiple occasions to the point I want to know the pros about telling kids to fuck off do to a positional cap. It’s dumb.
    There are consequences on all sides

    If you shut it down it is no problem IF you get what you need done. You honor the commitment made to the player when they verbal and that’s that.

    Problem comes if you miss your target or if the target leaves you in the 11th hour you are stuck holding your Johnson.

    By no means am I advocating the strategy in general because when you fail it tends to be spectacularly.

    If I was Pete what I’d do is decide what my target numbers are in a class and plan for at minimum a +1 to that in each class. You may have a number of what you can take at any point in time and that still creates competition with spots filling up. But you don’t know how numbers will end, if you bomb a position, guys leave for the NFL, medically retire, transfer, or go back on their verbal. The communication needs to be clear that any additional recruiting isn’t trying to push anybody committed out but to ensure that the best possible class is brought in.

    One of the biggest challenges Pete will have leveling up is that 90-95% of what he does works fantastically. Some of the changes I hear for the other 5-10% sound good on the surface. However, if that 5-10% are at odds with Pete’s 90-95% message then there may be erosion there to the point where you really aren’t gaining as much as you think ... and in the worst case scenario, you go backwards.

    The trajectory is largely good ... I would tend to fall into the category of making tweaks to the framework vs overarching changes

    There are some coaching moves that need to be made ... those should be done
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    whuggy said:

    Tequilla said:

    It’s easy to play Monday Morning QB

    If the strategy works nobody complains

    When it misses turn everything over and blow it up

    There are consequences to behaviors and strategies

    Where is the upside to shutting down a positions recruiting and trusting the “commitment” of a kid when it’s backfired multiple times. This isn’t an outlier this has hurt us in multiple occasions to the point I want to know the pros about telling kids to fuck off do to a positional cap. It’s dumb.
    Very correct. The position should be recruited up until Player A signs. Player B can also commit but should be told the offer is only committable if Player A doesn't sign in the early period. Then even after they sign all players should be continually recruited up until the first day of practice. After that coaches can back off slightly but still have to suck player dick because the new transfer rules means players on your roster will still be recruited by other teams.
    This is one of the most fucktardedly idiotic thing I've ever seen on this board

    Let's just say that there are 10 different positional groups on a football team (QB, RB, TE, WR, OL, DL, ILB, OLB, CB, S) so you're advocating for a +1 10 different times.

    So first thing first, you're asking 10 ELITE level kids to be willing to go up to early Signing Day with a non committable offer while spots at other ELITE programs are filling up.

    Do you realize how fucking laughable that is?

    In other words, you're essentially advocating "transparently slow playing" guys ... which could be described as a similar strategy as to what is done with in-state players ... which most are all over for saying that our strategy absolutely sucks ass.

    So what you're really advocating with that strategy is not having elite players on the hook but having more Plan B guys on the hook ... who potentially aren't signing anyway on early Signing Day as they wait to see how things shake out at the big time programs because that Oregon St offer will always be there still if they are good enough.
  • ZoneUW
    ZoneUW Member Posts: 794

    ZoneUW said:

    Also remember at one point in the winter and early spring we stopped talking to Ford because we thought Ngata was in the bag and cherished our scholarship numbers so much that we went silent on Ford until Bush came back.



    Think about that.



    We thought it was too big of a burden to go after Ngata and Ford while Jake Haener, Kyler Manu, and Quinten Pounds are all on scholarship and Oklahoma signs three 5 star WR’s for the first time in rivals/scout history.


    The entire strategy is so bad that the act of losing Ngata we also lost Ford. In the act of losing Asa Turner we also lost Noa Pola-Gates and Titus Toler. What are the positives of the “we only have a limited amount of spots so you better commit soon or someone will soon” approach if you get Asa to commit in June and it somehow causes you to miss out on 2 other guys when he decommits? Why did we tell Tre’shaun to go away if we were going to go 0-3 on WR’s the next year. If we fucking know Bru isn’t coming here and most likely neither is Kyle why the fuck would we be so stubborn with Tre’shaun I just don’t fucking get it.

    I'm so ready to fire petersen's ass and get someone who understands how to recruit and how to win big games. Petersen is just competent enough to usually not fuck up against inferior opponents. THAT IS FUCKING IT.

    Only reason we have two titles is the pac 12 is the weakest it's been in a LONG time right now, maybe ever.
    Hi Jack Cobra!
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  • ZoneUW
    ZoneUW Member Posts: 794

    ZoneUW said:

    Also remember at one point in the winter and early spring we stopped talking to Ford because we thought Ngata was in the bag and cherished our scholarship numbers so much that we went silent on Ford until Bush came back.



    Think about that.



    We thought it was too big of a burden to go after Ngata and Ford while Jake Haener, Kyler Manu, and Quinten Pounds are all on scholarship and Oklahoma signs three 5 star WR’s for the first time in rivals/scout history.


    The entire strategy is so bad that the act of losing Ngata we also lost Ford. In the act of losing Asa Turner we also lost Noa Pola-Gates and Titus Toler. What are the positives of the “we only have a limited amount of spots so you better commit soon or someone will soon” approach if you get Asa to commit in June and it somehow causes you to miss out on 2 other guys when he decommits? Why did we tell Tre’shaun to go away if we were going to go 0-3 on WR’s the next year. If we fucking know Bru isn’t coming here and most likely neither is Kyle why the fuck would we be so stubborn with Tre’shaun I just don’t fucking get it.

    I'm so ready to fire petersen's ass and get someone who understands how to recruit and how to win big games. Petersen is just competent enough to usually not fuck up against inferior opponents. THAT IS FUCKING IT.

    Only reason we have two titles is the pac 12 is the weakest it's been in a LONG time right now, maybe ever.
    Hi Jack Cobra!

  • ZoneUW
    ZoneUW Member Posts: 794

    ZoneUW said:

    Also remember at one point in the winter and early spring we stopped talking to Ford because we thought Ngata was in the bag and cherished our scholarship numbers so much that we went silent on Ford until Bush came back.



    Think about that.



    We thought it was too big of a burden to go after Ngata and Ford while Jake Haener, Kyler Manu, and Quinten Pounds are all on scholarship and Oklahoma signs three 5 star WR’s for the first time in rivals/scout history.


    The entire strategy is so bad that the act of losing Ngata we also lost Ford. In the act of losing Asa Turner we also lost Noa Pola-Gates and Titus Toler. What are the positives of the “we only have a limited amount of spots so you better commit soon or someone will soon” approach if you get Asa to commit in June and it somehow causes you to miss out on 2 other guys when he decommits? Why did we tell Tre’shaun to go away if we were going to go 0-3 on WR’s the next year. If we fucking know Bru isn’t coming here and most likely neither is Kyle why the fuck would we be so stubborn with Tre’shaun I just don’t fucking get it.

    I'm so ready to fire petersen's ass and get someone who understands how to recruit and how to win big games. Petersen is just competent enough to usually not fuck up against inferior opponents. THAT IS FUCKING IT.

    Only reason we have two titles is the pac 12 is the weakest it's been in a LONG time right now, maybe ever.
    Your* an idiot
    Why exactly? Or is down-voting my poasts just the flavor of the day?
  • whuggy
    whuggy Member Posts: 2,088
    Tequilla said:

    whuggy said:

    Tequilla said:

    It’s easy to play Monday Morning QB

    If the strategy works nobody complains

    When it misses turn everything over and blow it up

    There are consequences to behaviors and strategies

    Where is the upside to shutting down a positions recruiting and trusting the “commitment” of a kid when it’s backfired multiple times. This isn’t an outlier this has hurt us in multiple occasions to the point I want to know the pros about telling kids to fuck off do to a positional cap. It’s dumb.
    Very correct. The position should be recruited up until Player A signs. Player B can also commit but should be told the offer is only committable if Player A doesn't sign in the early period. Then even after they sign all players should be continually recruited up until the first day of practice. After that coaches can back off slightly but still have to suck player dick because the new transfer rules means players on your roster will still be recruited by other teams.
    This is one of the most fucktardedly idiotic thing I've ever seen on this board

    Let's just say that there are 10 different positional groups on a football team (QB, RB, TE, WR, OL, DL, ILB, OLB, CB, S) so you're advocating for a +1 10 different times.

    So first thing first, you're asking 10 ELITE level kids to be willing to go up to early Signing Day with a non committable offer while spots at other ELITE programs are filling up.

    Do you realize how fucking laughable that is?

    In other words, you're essentially advocating "transparently slow playing" guys ... which could be described as a similar strategy as to what is done with in-state players ... which most are all over for saying that our strategy absolutely sucks ass.

    So what you're really advocating with that strategy is not having elite players on the hook but having more Plan B guys on the hook ... who potentially aren't signing anyway on early Signing Day as they wait to see how things shake out at the big time programs because that Oregon St offer will always be there still if they are good enough.
    Uh no. That's not what I'm saying. I'm not sure about your reading comprehension. I'm simply saying you keep recruiting the position until your first choice signs. If your first choice doesn't sign in early period then you at least have an option with your second choice. Your second choice is not likely to be elite.