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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,029

    Blu82 said:



    The result would result in a positive for many Americans?

    Can you explain when and how that will happen? Because tariffs? Because TRUMP?

    Btw, free trade, free markets and free people are the essence of American conseratism. Your preferred China policy (tariffs, protectionism, nationalism) is straight out of the liberal playbook.

    I’m all in favor of watching your self destruction. I only thought it was my responsibility to point out that you are an imbecile.

    Let me take a guess as to why you would take such an elementary, naive position. You work for the government and therefore haven't a clue how the world actually works? School teacher? Post Office? Scuba diver for "water management"?

    You are truly clueless.


    Close! My employer is a private employee-owned firm. I manage an office and am a shareholder. I negotiate the terms and conditions of the sale or private placement of bonds, notes and convertible debt to accredited investors and qualified institutional buyers. My clients are start-up and maturing LLCs.

    Free, open, unregulated markets are not only my livelihood; they are the pillars of a successful civilization now under attack by gullible and deplorable troomps.

    Have you contributed to the gofundme for trump’s wall yet?
    So you help run the pump and dumps for the Chinese RTO’s?

    How is the toxic financing biz these days? Running some 50% discount to the 30 day VWAP as the exercise price on the convertibles?


    Or are you the other side that requires $50k fees upfront from your client companies for due diligence and promise introductions to high net worth individuals?


    Crickets.....
    I thought this was an LOL post; not a serious question. Never can tell on the internet.

    My clients and prospects are almost exclusively California- based LLCs. I did close a deal in WA this year though. Got to hang out and drink by myself at the duchess at 3 pm in my free time again. Good times!
    Totally serious.

    You still didn't answer the questions.

  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    2001400ex said:


    Well, when Chavez was elected president of Venezuela in 1998 oil was about $12 a barrel and Venezuela was one of the more prosperous countries’ in South America. Now with oil selling at nearly four times that, Venezuela is an economic basket case with a collapsing nationalized oil industry. The miracle of socialism. Nice attempt at making shit up and deflecting the real reason for the economic collapse.

    Simple minds.... Read up on corruption costs in Venezuela.
    Communist states always have their leaders take 80% of the money until they collapse. Venezuela just stuck to the script.

  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    HRYK. When young people are making 100,000 per year and still can’t buy a home due to high home prices,student loans, taxes, high rents, parking, etc., they inevitably will get sick of it and stop voting for the give it away gang.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,029
    salemcoog said:

    HRYK. When young people are making 100,000 per year and still can’t buy a home due to high home prices,student loans, taxes, high rents, parking, etc., they inevitably will get sick of it and stop voting for the give it away gang.

    But college professors are going to make them all communist! Censor college!
  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    salemcoog said:

    HRYK. When young people are making 100,000 per year and still can’t buy a home due to high home prices,student loans, taxes, high rents, parking, etc., they inevitably will get sick of it and stop voting for the give it away gang.

    Then we’ll just have to import more people to outnumber them.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,029

    salemcoog said:

    HRYK. When young people are making 100,000 per year and still can’t buy a home due to high home prices,student loans, taxes, high rents, parking, etc., they inevitably will get sick of it and stop voting for the give it away gang.

    Then we’ll just have to import more people to outnumber them.
    Isn't it easier to just get rid of college? Race didn't need it.
  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    No. Getting rid of college doesn’t address the Billions of poor people who deserve to live a Rich and Free life.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,029
    edited December 2018

    No. Getting rid of college doesn’t address the Billions of poor people who deserve to live a Rich and Free life.

    but, it makes so many communists. one problem at a time.
  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    ah yes. That speshul place where planned eKonomy and reality meet
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    ah yes. That speshul place where planned eKonomy and reality meet

    I knew you hated UW.

    I am supporting the University of Washington tomorrow.

    You can fuck off doogie.
  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,598 Standard Supporter
    Western Europe does it right. Tax the uber rich and take care of all the people. Call it mixed market or whatever you want. Of course they let in tons of refugees..
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,029

    Western Europe does it right. Tax the uber rich and take care of all the people. Call it mixed market or whatever you want. Of course they let in tons of refugees..

    yeah...except for those pesky immigrants who keep blowing up concerts and driving trucks down sidewalks and shit.....

  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,701 Standard Supporter
    Why doesn't the equal protection and application of the law
    promised in the constitution extend to rich people?
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    t

    Western Europe does it right. Tax the uber rich and take care of all the people. Call it mixed market or whatever you want. Of course they let in tons of refugees..

    Top 1% of income earners are already paying close to 40% of all income taxes. How much more do you think they should pay? And why do you think that it's the role of government to take care of people? I look at government operations like the VA and I want nothing to fucking do with the government taking care of me.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    t

    Western Europe does it right. Tax the uber rich and take care of all the people. Call it mixed market or whatever you want. Of course they let in tons of refugees..

    Top 1% of income earners are already paying close to 40% of all income taxes. How much more do you think they should pay? And why do you think that it's the role of government to take care of people? I look at government operations like the VA and I want nothing to fucking do with the government taking care of me.
    Again with the lies. Or extreme ignorance. Or abundance.
  • Blu82
    Blu82 Member Posts: 1,671

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    t

    Western Europe does it right. Tax the uber rich and take care of all the people. Call it mixed market or whatever you want. Of course they let in tons of refugees..

    Top 1% of income earners are already paying close to 40% of all income taxes. How much more do you think they should pay? And why do you think that it's the role of government to take care of people? I look at government operations like the VA and I want nothing to fucking do with the government taking care of me.
    Again with the lies. Or extreme ignorance. Or abundance.
    Care to enlighten us with the "truth"?
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    edited January 2019
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    t

    Western Europe does it right. Tax the uber rich and take care of all the people. Call it mixed market or whatever you want. Of course they let in tons of refugees..

    Top 1% of income earners are already paying close to 40% of all income taxes. How much more do you think they should pay? And why do you think that it's the role of government to take care of people? I look at government operations like the VA and I want nothing to fucking do with the government taking care of me.
    Again with the lies. Or extreme ignorance. Or abundance.
    Again with you citing nothing but your ignorant twat of a mouth in order to call my statement a lie. Btw, this is the same fucking mouth that claimed Medicare doesn't add to our national debt. As I recall, when I claimed it did you called that "extreme ignorance."

    Funny how I supposedly have this "extreme ignorance" and yet I'm constantly exposing your ignorant ass Hondo.

    Let me predict the future. Hondo will either run and hide like a Kunt refusing to back up his mouth. Or he if he does respond he'll post something that doesn't refute a fucking word I said.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    t

    Western Europe does it right. Tax the uber rich and take care of all the people. Call it mixed market or whatever you want. Of course they let in tons of refugees..

    Top 1% of income earners are already paying close to 40% of all income taxes. How much more do you think they should pay? And why do you think that it's the role of government to take care of people? I look at government operations like the VA and I want nothing to fucking do with the government taking care of me.
    Again with the lies. Or extreme ignorance. Or abundance.
    Again with you citing nothing but your ignorant twat of a mouth in order to call my statement a lie. Btw, this is the same fucking mouth that claimed Medicare doesn't add to our national debt. As I recall, when I claimed it did you called that "extreme ignorance."

    Funny how I supposedly have this "extreme ignorance" and yet I'm constantly exposing your ignorant ass Hondo.

    Let me predict the future. Hondo will either run and hide like a Kunt refusing to back up his mouth. Or he if he does respond he'll post something that doesn't refute a fucking word I said.
    Nice rant. So I read it that you were saying there pay close to 40% of their income. Wich isn't true. (Data is prior to tax cut)

    Another interesting trend is that the very top taxpayers — the 0.001% — actually pay a lower tax rate than the top One Percent overall. While the One Percent pay an average federal rate of 27.1%, the top 0.001% pay an average rate of 23.93%. This trend has largely been consistent over the last 10 years of IRS data.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldurkheimer/2018/03/01/0-001-percent-one-percent/amp/

    That being said, if you are saying they pay 40% of all income taxes of America, that's close enough to factual. But they also make 20% of all income. That's not drastically out of whack. And when you bring in social security and Medicare tax, I bet that 40% drops.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,029
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    t

    Western Europe does it right. Tax the uber rich and take care of all the people. Call it mixed market or whatever you want. Of course they let in tons of refugees..

    Top 1% of income earners are already paying close to 40% of all income taxes. How much more do you think they should pay? And why do you think that it's the role of government to take care of people? I look at government operations like the VA and I want nothing to fucking do with the government taking care of me.
    Again with the lies. Or extreme ignorance. Or abundance.
    Again with you citing nothing but your ignorant twat of a mouth in order to call my statement a lie. Btw, this is the same fucking mouth that claimed Medicare doesn't add to our national debt. As I recall, when I claimed it did you called that "extreme ignorance."

    Funny how I supposedly have this "extreme ignorance" and yet I'm constantly exposing your ignorant ass Hondo.

    Let me predict the future. Hondo will either run and hide like a Kunt refusing to back up his mouth. Or he if he does respond he'll post something that doesn't refute a fucking word I said.
    Nice rant. So I read it that you were saying there pay close to 40% of their income. Wich isn't true. (Data is prior to tax cut)

    Another interesting trend is that the very top taxpayers — the 0.001% — actually pay a lower tax rate than the top One Percent overall. While the One Percent pay an average federal rate of 27.1%, the top 0.001% pay an average rate of 23.93%. This trend has largely been consistent over the last 10 years of IRS data.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldurkheimer/2018/03/01/0-001-percent-one-percent/amp/

    That being said, if you are saying they pay 40% of all income taxes of America, that's close enough to factual. But they also make 20% of all income. That's not drastically out of whack. And when you bring in social security and Medicare tax, I bet that 40% drops.
    Hondo need help with the decimals.

  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    t

    Western Europe does it right. Tax the uber rich and take care of all the people. Call it mixed market or whatever you want. Of course they let in tons of refugees..

    Top 1% of income earners are already paying close to 40% of all income taxes. How much more do you think they should pay? And why do you think that it's the role of government to take care of people? I look at government operations like the VA and I want nothing to fucking do with the government taking care of me.
    Again with the lies. Or extreme ignorance. Or abundance.
    Again with you citing nothing but your ignorant twat of a mouth in order to call my statement a lie. Btw, this is the same fucking mouth that claimed Medicare doesn't add to our national debt. As I recall, when I claimed it did you called that "extreme ignorance."

    Funny how I supposedly have this "extreme ignorance" and yet I'm constantly exposing your ignorant ass Hondo.

    Let me predict the future. Hondo will either run and hide like a Kunt refusing to back up his mouth. Or he if he does respond he'll post something that doesn't refute a fucking word I said.
    Nice rant. So I read it that you were saying there pay close to 40% of their income. Wich isn't true. (Data is prior to tax cut)

    Another interesting trend is that the very top taxpayers — the 0.001% — actually pay a lower tax rate than the top One Percent overall. While the One Percent pay an average federal rate of 27.1%, the top 0.001% pay an average rate of 23.93%. This trend has largely been consistent over the last 10 years of IRS data.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldurkheimer/2018/03/01/0-001-percent-one-percent/amp/

    That being said, if you are saying they pay 40% of all income taxes of America, that's close enough to factual. But they also make 20% of all income. That's not drastically out of whack. And when you bring in social security and Medicare tax, I bet that 40% drops.
    Hondo need help with the decimals.

    Not at all. The effective rate of the top 1% is also about that 27%. It's in the article but I was showing a point

    I also looked up social security and Medicare. Top 1% makes up about 20% of income but only 4% of social security and Medicare taxes. What do you think that does to the "top 1% pays almost 40% of federal taxes" argument? Like I said, Bob, you are great at lying with "facts".
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,029
    edited January 2019



    Dude - your obsession is on 1%. But you obsessively quote 0.001%. That is 1/1000 of 1%.

    Maff is hard. At least be accurate when you try to figures lie/liars figure.



  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457




    Dude - your obsession is on 1%. But you obsessively quote 0.001%. That is 1/1000 of 1%.

    Maff is hard. At least be accurate when you try to figures lie/liars figure.



    My obsession is not on the 1%. I was responding to Bobby. HTH
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,029
    2001400ex said:




    Dude - your obsession is on 1%. But you obsessively quote 0.001%. That is 1/1000 of 1%.

    Maff is hard. At least be accurate when you try to figures lie/liars figure.



    My obsession is not on the 1%. I was responding to Bobby. HTH
    1% > 0.001%

    HTFH

  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:




    Dude - your obsession is on 1%. But you obsessively quote 0.001%. That is 1/1000 of 1%.

    Maff is hard. At least be accurate when you try to figures lie/liars figure.



    My obsession is not on the 1%. I was responding to Bobby. HTH
    1% > 0.001%

    HTFH

    You are a genius.
  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    things short bus kids say when they encounter another person in public
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    t

    Western Europe does it right. Tax the uber rich and take care of all the people. Call it mixed market or whatever you want. Of course they let in tons of refugees..

    Top 1% of income earners are already paying close to 40% of all income taxes. How much more do you think they should pay? And why do you think that it's the role of government to take care of people? I look at government operations like the VA and I want nothing to fucking do with the government taking care of me.
    Again with the lies. Or extreme ignorance. Or abundance.
    Again with you citing nothing but your ignorant twat of a mouth in order to call my statement a lie. Btw, this is the same fucking mouth that claimed Medicare doesn't add to our national debt. As I recall, when I claimed it did you called that "extreme ignorance."

    Funny how I supposedly have this "extreme ignorance" and yet I'm constantly exposing your ignorant ass Hondo.

    Let me predict the future. Hondo will either run and hide like a Kunt refusing to back up his mouth. Or he if he does respond he'll post something that doesn't refute a fucking word I said.
    Nice rant. So I read it that you were saying there pay close to 40% of their income. Wich isn't true. (Data is prior to tax cut)

    Another interesting trend is that the very top taxpayers — the 0.001% — actually pay a lower tax rate than the top One Percent overall. While the One Percent pay an average federal rate of 27.1%, the top 0.001% pay an average rate of 23.93%. This trend has largely been consistent over the last 10 years of IRS data.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldurkheimer/2018/03/01/0-001-percent-one-percent/amp/

    That being said, if you are saying they pay 40% of all income taxes of America, that's close enough to factual. But they also make 20% of all income. That's not drastically out of whack. And when you bring in social security and Medicare tax, I bet that 40% drops.
    Hondo unlike you there is no dick in my mouth. What I said was perfectly clear. Funny how you're now calling my "extreme ignorance" "close enough to factual."

    So to recap. Nothing I said was a lie and you're now responding with gibberish about Social Security and Medicare when what I said dealt only with income taxes.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    t

    Western Europe does it right. Tax the uber rich and take care of all the people. Call it mixed market or whatever you want. Of course they let in tons of refugees..

    Top 1% of income earners are already paying close to 40% of all income taxes. How much more do you think they should pay? And why do you think that it's the role of government to take care of people? I look at government operations like the VA and I want nothing to fucking do with the government taking care of me.
    Again with the lies. Or extreme ignorance. Or abundance.
    Again with you citing nothing but your ignorant twat of a mouth in order to call my statement a lie. Btw, this is the same fucking mouth that claimed Medicare doesn't add to our national debt. As I recall, when I claimed it did you called that "extreme ignorance."

    Funny how I supposedly have this "extreme ignorance" and yet I'm constantly exposing your ignorant ass Hondo.

    Let me predict the future. Hondo will either run and hide like a Kunt refusing to back up his mouth. Or he if he does respond he'll post something that doesn't refute a fucking word I said.
    Nice rant. So I read it that you were saying there pay close to 40% of their income. Wich isn't true. (Data is prior to tax cut)

    Another interesting trend is that the very top taxpayers — the 0.001% — actually pay a lower tax rate than the top One Percent overall. While the One Percent pay an average federal rate of 27.1%, the top 0.001% pay an average rate of 23.93%. This trend has largely been consistent over the last 10 years of IRS data.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldurkheimer/2018/03/01/0-001-percent-one-percent/amp/

    That being said, if you are saying they pay 40% of all income taxes of America, that's close enough to factual. But they also make 20% of all income. That's not drastically out of whack. And when you bring in social security and Medicare tax, I bet that 40% drops.
    Hondo unlike you there is no dick in my mouth. What I said was perfectly clear. Funny how you're now calling my "extreme ignorance" "close enough to factual."

    So to recap. Nothing I said was a lie and you're now responding with gibberish about Social Security and Medicare when what I said dealt only with income taxes.
    Exactly. You are lying with "facts". You, and the conservative websites that promote the "wealthy pay too much in income tax", don't include social security and Medicare, on which they pay disproportionally less of their income.
  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    In Venezuela they dream about Theoretical Food
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,029
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:




    Dude - your obsession is on 1%. But you obsessively quote 0.001%. That is 1/1000 of 1%.

    Maff is hard. At least be accurate when you try to figures lie/liars figure.



    My obsession is not on the 1%. I was responding to Bobby. HTH
    1% > 0.001%

    HTFH

    You are a genius.
    Acknowledge.