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David Shaw single-handedly pissed that game away
DerekJohnson
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The off-tackle is to Shaw what the 3rd-and-1 fade route is to Sark
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Agree, awful play calls in key situations. Of course he tried to make up for that with shitty clock management.
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It's a potential downside to Shaw ...
I think some of it has to do with not entirely trusting Hogan with deciding the game with his arm and decision making.
But then again, he's also the same coach that neutered Andrew Luck in the Fiesta Bowl. -
Somewhat disagree. Stanford was lucky to even be in that game at the end.
Michigan State was just better, which says all you need to know about the 2013 Pac-12 Fucking Dreckfest football season (RIP) -
exactly
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i disagree.TierbsHsotBoobs said:Somewhat disagree. Stanford was lucky to even be in that game at the end.
Michigan State was just better, which says all you need to know about the 2013 Pac-12 Fucking Dreckfest football season (RIP)
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Michigan State is actually a good team - probably the one good team in the Big 10.
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Exact same deal - he didn't "trust" Luck either. Inexplicable...Tequilla said:It's a potential downside to Shaw ...
I think some of it has to do with not entirely trusting Hogan with deciding the game with his arm and decision making.
But then again, he's also the same coach that neutered Andrew Luck in the Fiesta Bowl. -
Michigan State had a great defense and a sense of destiny, but good playcalling would have won that for Stanford
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exactlyDerekJohnson said:Michigan State had a great defense and a sense of destiny, but good playcalling would have won that for Stanford
late 3rd and early 4th Stanford had 2 straight 3 and outs. Called 6 run plays over the right guard.
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You clearly didn't watch the game.BlowItUp said:
i disagree.TierbsHsotBoobs said:Somewhat disagree. Stanford was lucky to even be in that game at the end.
Michigan State was just better, which says all you need to know about the 2013 Pac-12 Fucking Dreckfest football season (RIP) -
Two stupid turnovers by MSU were the only thing keeping Stanford in that game.DerekJohnson said:Michigan State had a great defense and a sense of destiny, but good playcalling would have won that for Stanford
MSU comfortably won the yards gained battle and was clearly the superior team in the second half.
Shaw's playcalling was just the icing on the cake.
When did this shithole turn into Doogman anyway? I thought people knew football here. -
Shaw's play calling is the reason MSU won the yards gained battle. It was so bad that if Sark is calling plays for Stanford, they win comfortably say 34-17?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Two stupid turnovers by MSU were the only thing keeping Stanford in that game.DerekJohnson said:Michigan State had a great defense and a sense of destiny, but good playcalling would have won that for Stanford
MSU comfortably won the yards gained battle and was clearly the superior team in the second half.
Shaw's playcalling was just the icing on the cake.
When did this shithole turn into Doogman anyway? I thought people knew football here.
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You guys do realize that Hogan was pretty shitty today, right? If you can't run the ball well or pass the ball well...what other plays should you call?BlowItUp said:
Shaw's play calling is the reason MSU won the yards gained battle. It was so bad that if Sark is calling plays for Stanford, they win comfortably say 34-17?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Two stupid turnovers by MSU were the only thing keeping Stanford in that game.DerekJohnson said:Michigan State had a great defense and a sense of destiny, but good playcalling would have won that for Stanford
MSU comfortably won the yards gained battle and was clearly the superior team in the second half.
Shaw's playcalling was just the icing on the cake.
When did this shithole turn into Doogman anyway? I thought people knew football here.
MSU was the better team. We've known Stanford was a fraud for months. Hell, we all saw it firsthand. -
Other than the long pass to Rector and the TE seam route, Stanford was impotent all game. Sparty's defense is one of the best of the BCS era imo, so it wasn't a surprise that they stuffed the last series of runs. The fullback dive was terrible though.
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Shaw runs what got him there Derek. He's never been shy about expressing it either. He fully believes in mano y mano. And i love his attitude and commitment to his running game. We would have lost one game, maybe, with him as our head coach. He might have bootlegged out on that run, but Sparty was ready for anything they ran. Shaw runs 5 fucking plays all game with a few twists and surprises. Second - guessing Shaw is chickenshit. He got to the rose bowl with those same 5 plays and variations. He doesn't go wacko and panic like Sark when he gets behind by 7.DerekJohnson said:The off-tackle is to Shaw what the 3rd-and-1 fade route is to Sark
I respect Shaw more than any coach in this conference (Carroll was similar), and it isn't close. He is so smooth as a head coach ( Sark is squatted down, pacing, shitting his panties). You'd prolly see a huge wet mess on Sark's khaki's where he shit his pants by being behind by 7, at any point because he freaked the fuck out being behind. Shaw just strolls the sidelines mellow, at all times.
SARK shit his britches during the Illinois game after 1 quarter, not trusting his running game or All American TE to pick up a first down and control t.o.p. (he didn't try either for fear of actually failing at both. He did this for 4 years. He was the worst TOP coach in the country. Mostly TOP fell in his lap. It wasn't his brilliant playcalling. Sark held this team back. This team wa s ready to spread it's wings. Sark just preferred to keep the ball from the opponent, rather than pummel opponents with A first round TE, 3 future NFL WR's, a future starting NFL tb, , a 5th year SR qb, and an OL amongst the best in the conference. Fuck that, let's get cute and not only confuse the other team, but confuse our own team with the sissy tempo bullshit.
Shaw would have loved to trade for ASJ, Sankey, k. SMITH, Kasen Williams, Stringfellow, Mickens, Dex Charles and traded cash for Riva and Hatchie (if forced to) He we have found serviceable the rest of our oline, BECAUSE THEY ARE QUALITY RUN BLOCKERS. I'd take our defense over Stanford so that's a bonus. In other words, If Shaw coached this team we could be in Pasadena. Stanford wasn't better than us, by any fucking means. Stanford ' s coach was just W A Y better than ours.
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Stanford wasn't a fraud, but they were certainly vastly overrated.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
You guys do realize that Hogan was pretty shitty today, right? If you can't run the ball well or pass the ball well...what other plays should you call?BlowItUp said:
Shaw's play calling is the reason MSU won the yards gained battle. It was so bad that if Sark is calling plays for Stanford, they win comfortably say 34-17?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Two stupid turnovers by MSU were the only thing keeping Stanford in that game.DerekJohnson said:Michigan State had a great defense and a sense of destiny, but good playcalling would have won that for Stanford
MSU comfortably won the yards gained battle and was clearly the superior team in the second half.
Shaw's playcalling was just the icing on the cake.
When did this shithole turn into Doogman anyway? I thought people knew football here.
MSU was the better team. We've known Stanford was a fraud for months. Hell, we all saw it firsthand.
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Query for the bored…Hogan or Price?
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Keith price with or without his ID?HeretoBeatmyChest said:Query for the bored…Hogan or Price?
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as a college QB, price every day and twice on sunday. As a pro prospect, hoganHeretoBeatmyChest said:Query for the bored…Hogan or Price?
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I'd take Price over Hogan. I think some on here tend to undervalue Price.HeretoBeatmyChest said:Query for the bored…Hogan or Price?
He's nothing special but he's pretty accurate so he would have thrived in a ball control offense like Stanford. -
I love physical run football too, but when you're banging your head against a brick wall repeatedly and the wall isn't giving way at all, you best be innovative.puppylove_sugarsteel said:
Shaw runs what got him there Derek. He's never been shy about expressing it either. He fully believes in mano y mano. And i love his attitude and commitment to his running game. We would have lost one game, maybe, with him as our head coach. He might have bootlegged out on that run, but Sparty was ready for anything they ran. Shaw runs 5 fucking plays all game with a few twists and surprises. Second - guessing Shaw is chickenshit. He got to the rose bowl with those same 5 plays and variations. He doesn't go wacko and panic like Sark when he gets behind by 7.DerekJohnson said:The off-tackle is to Shaw what the 3rd-and-1 fade route is to Sark
I respect Shaw more than any coach in this conference (Carroll was similar), and it isn't close. He is so smooth as a head coach ( Sark is squatted down, pacing, shitting his panties). You'd prolly see a huge wet mess on Sark's khaki's where he shit his pants by being behind by 7, at any point because he freaked the fuck out being behind. Shaw just strolls the sidelines mellow, at all times.
SARK shit his britches during the Illinois game after 1 quarter, not trusting his running game or All American TE to pick up a first down and control t.o.p. (he didn't try either for fear of actually failing at both. He did this for 4 years. He was the worst TOP coach in the country. Mostly TOP fell in his lap. It wasn't his brilliant playcalling. Sark held this team back. This team wa s ready to spread it's wings. Sark just preferred to keep the ball from the opponent, rather than pummel opponents with A first round TE, 3 future NFL WR's, a future starting NFL tb, , a 5th year SR qb, and an OL amongst the best in the conference. Fuck that, let's get cute and not only confuse the other team, but confuse our own team with the sissy tempo bullshit.
Shaw would have loved to trade for ASJ, Sankey, k. SMITH, Kasen Williams, Stringfellow, Mickens, Dex Charles and traded cash for Riva and Hatchie (if forced to) He we have found serviceable the rest of our oline, BECAUSE THEY ARE QUALITY RUN BLOCKERS. I'd take our defense over Stanford so that's a bonus. In other words, If Shaw coached this team we could be in Pasadena. Stanford wasn't better than us, by any fucking means. Stanford ' s coach was just W A Y better than ours.
A Stanford team coached by Chip Kelly last night wins rather easily, say 34-17? -
Price is slightly better than Hogan, but UW's WR's are also substantially better than Stanford's. Hogan has a good line, but his WR's suck other than Montgomery, and the TE's are non existent. That is a tough offense for a QB to thrive in compared to UW's or Oregon's where you get to throw 5-10 bubble screens per game.HeretoBeatmyChest said:Query for the bored…Hogan or Price?
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More like Stanfraud. (lol)DerekJohnson said:
Stanford wasn't a fraud, but they were certainly vastly overrated.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
You guys do realize that Hogan was pretty shitty today, right? If you can't run the ball well or pass the ball well...what other plays should you call?BlowItUp said:
Shaw's play calling is the reason MSU won the yards gained battle. It was so bad that if Sark is calling plays for Stanford, they win comfortably say 34-17?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Two stupid turnovers by MSU were the only thing keeping Stanford in that game.DerekJohnson said:Michigan State had a great defense and a sense of destiny, but good playcalling would have won that for Stanford
MSU comfortably won the yards gained battle and was clearly the superior team in the second half.
Shaw's playcalling was just the icing on the cake.
When did this shithole turn into Doogman anyway? I thought people knew football here.
MSU was the better team. We've known Stanford was a fraud for months. Hell, we all saw it firsthand. -
With Stanford's OLine I would take Price all day over Hogan.HeretoBeatmyChest said:Query for the bored…Hogan or Price?
With UW's OLine I would give Hogan the nod. He carries a legitimate threat to run and has a thicker frame.
Hogan has taken shots that would put Price in a perma-limp for the rest of the game or on the sidelines holding a clipboard.
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Vastly overrated teams are frauds 8 out of 10 times, including this one.DerekJohnson said:
Stanford wasn't a fraud, but they were certainly vastly overrated.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
You guys do realize that Hogan was pretty shitty today, right? If you can't run the ball well or pass the ball well...what other plays should you call?BlowItUp said:
Shaw's play calling is the reason MSU won the yards gained battle. It was so bad that if Sark is calling plays for Stanford, they win comfortably say 34-17?TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Two stupid turnovers by MSU were the only thing keeping Stanford in that game.DerekJohnson said:Michigan State had a great defense and a sense of destiny, but good playcalling would have won that for Stanford
MSU comfortably won the yards gained battle and was clearly the superior team in the second half.
Shaw's playcalling was just the icing on the cake.
When did this shithole turn into Doogman anyway? I thought people knew football here.
MSU was the better team. We've known Stanford was a fraud for months. Hell, we all saw it firsthand.
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Easy call. Really easy. With the Tree O line Price. Hogan isn't fit to carry his gem bag behind a good line.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
Query for the bored…Hogan or Price?
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Are all of DJ's posts about black guys?
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Depends on the type of offense that you are asking the QB to run. I'd take Price if I was spreading the field out and asking him to throw the ball. I'd take Hogan if I'm looking to run more of a power running, play action kind of game.
I've never thought that Keith looked comfortable having to do anything other than hand off under center. -
F u ck, Shaw lost to the 2nd best team in the country in my mind, by 4 fucking points. Great game. Nobody moves the b a lo easily on Sparty. There's so many dumbass fuckers round here.. Sheesh, sparty was ready for anything at that juncture. Give the big 10 credit. They would smoke Bambi too.
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At the end of the day, Stanford is the outfit that lost to Utah and a totally dysfunctional SC, both on the road, while putting enough together at home to beat Oregon. I'm not sure what we should expect from a Pac-12 in 2013 where a team like Stanford, that needed a ton of special team's offensive heroics to beat Sark for example, could win the conference championship. Perhaps like the Pac-12's traditional style-setter SC, the entire conference is dysfunctional.
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