GM cuts production

2001400ex said:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gm-cut-car-production-north-america-halt-models-132847206--finance.html

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greenblood said:

Make a better product and people will buy it...

GM thinks that product is Electric and Autonomous vehicles. I'm sure many on here will support this rationale.

Unrelated but this company called Rivian unveiled an electric truck that (they claim) will do 0-60 in 3 seconds and tow 11,000 lbs. It's pretty cool but I wouldn't dump 70k to guinea pig it.

https://electrek.co/2018/11/26/rivian-r1t-all-electric-pickup-specs/

2001400ex said:

RedRocket said:

greenblood said:

Make a better product and people will buy it...

GM thinks that product is Electric and Autonomous vehicles. I'm sure many on here will support this rationale.

Unrelated but this company called Rivian unveiled an electric truck that (they claim) will do 0-60 in 3 seconds and tow 11,000 lbs. It's pretty cool but I wouldn't dump 70k to guinea pig it.

https://electrek.co/2018/11/26/rivian-r1t-all-electric-pickup-specs/

$100k for the top model. I personally think this is vaporware. Problem is, a tow vehicle usually needs to go more than 400 miles in a day. And I doubt you can get 400 miles while loaded. Not to mention GVWR issues with battery packs.

That being said, I'm glad to see companies push the envelope. I just wish they also did this with CNG vehicles.

All the specs seem inflated but I'm interested to see what happens when it rolls out in 2020. Could be a load of shit but glad to see a company take a stab at an EV that isnt a daily driver type.

2001400ex said:

RedRocket said:

2001400ex said:

RedRocket said:

greenblood said:

Make a better product and people will buy it...

GM thinks that product is Electric and Autonomous vehicles. I'm sure many on here will support this rationale.

Unrelated but this company called Rivian unveiled an electric truck that (they claim) will do 0-60 in 3 seconds and tow 11,000 lbs. It's pretty cool but I wouldn't dump 70k to guinea pig it.

https://electrek.co/2018/11/26/rivian-r1t-all-electric-pickup-specs/

$100k for the top model. I personally think this is vaporware. Problem is, a tow vehicle usually needs to go more than 400 miles in a day. And I doubt you can get 400 miles while loaded. Not to mention GVWR issues with battery packs.

That being said, I'm glad to see companies push the envelope. I just wish they also did this with CNG vehicles.

All the specs seem inflated but I'm interested to see what happens when it rolls out in 2020. Could be a load of shit but glad to see a company take a stab at an EV that isnt a daily driver type.

Well eventually we will have batteries that weigh 10% of what they do now. And can run for hours on a 10 minute charge. We need the infrastructure for that day. Tho that technology doesn't appear to be available any time soon.

It's a long way off before batteries become that efficient. Large scale battery storage would transform the entire energy industry. By the time we get there the grid could be totally different.

The infrastructure for EV doesn't need to change much to handle most day to day driving. People will just use home chargers. A volt can switch between electric for daily driving and gas for longer trips. The grid, right now, might not be able to handle everyone plugging in at same time but I don't think lack of public charging infrastructure is that limiting.

2001400ex said:

RedRocket said:

greenblood said:

Make a better product and people will buy it...

GM thinks that product is Electric and Autonomous vehicles. I'm sure many on here will support this rationale.

Unrelated but this company called Rivian unveiled an electric truck that (they claim) will do 0-60 in 3 seconds and tow 11,000 lbs. It's pretty cool but I wouldn't dump 70k to guinea pig it.

https://electrek.co/2018/11/26/rivian-r1t-all-electric-pickup-specs/

$100k for the top model. I personally think this is vaporware. Problem is, a tow vehicle usually needs to go more than 400 miles in a day. And I doubt you can get 400 miles while loaded. Not to mention GVWR issues with battery packs.

That being said, I'm glad to see companies push the envelope. I just wish they also did this with CNG vehicles.

Not to mention it looks dumb as hell.

The battery needed to make a tow vehicle widely accepted would price the vehicle out of affordability. You would be looking at a $120k to $150k truck. The fuel savings doesn’t make up for the high cost, on top of the electric vehicle tax credits coming off.

I think mastering electric powered semi trucks and making them affordable would do a lot more good.

2001400ex said:

sarktastic said:

“GM Cuts Production” (original title)

“General Motors announced Monday that it would cease production of the hybrid electric plug-in Volt and its gas-powered sister car the Cruze. The announcement came as part of a larger restructuring by the car company as it seeks to focus production around the bigger vehicles in favor with U.S. consumers.” (direct quote from link provided by you)

You are correct, while it morphed into a technology discussion, it started as a GM is laying off workers thread. Still, WTF does that have to do with Obama?

Yeah, Obama had nothing to do with the Volt. There are paid flacks who don't debase themselves as much as you do Hondo in service of Obama.

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

2001400ex said:

sarktastic said:

“GM Cuts Production” (original title)

“General Motors announced Monday that it would cease production of the hybrid electric plug-in Volt and its gas-powered sister car the Cruze. The announcement came as part of a larger restructuring by the car company as it seeks to focus production around the bigger vehicles in favor with U.S. consumers.” (direct quote from link provided by you)

You are correct, while it morphed into a technology discussion, it started as a GM is laying off workers thread. Still, WTF does that have to do with Obama?

Yeah, Obama had nothing to do with the Volt. There are paid flacks who don't debase themselves as much as you do Hondo in service of Obama.

I know you don't like facts. But here's the history.

Concept vehicle Edit
The Chevrolet Volt concept car debuted at the January 2007 North American International Auto Show, becoming the first-ever series plug-in hybrid concept car shown by a major car manufacturer.[28][29] The Volt concept vehicle had four doors with a rear liftgate and seating for four passengers. This was a significant change in design when compared to the General Motors EV1 of the 1990s, which only seated two to reduce weight and to make the necessary room for the lead-acid battery pack. The top speed was also increased on the Volt, from the electronically limited 80 miles per hour (130 km/h) to 100 miles per hour (160 km/h). The battery pack size was reduced, from about 10.6 cu ft (300 L) in volume in the EV1, to 3.5 cu ft (100 L) in the Volt.[28][30]

General Motors' then-Vice-Chairman Robert Lutz said the two-seater sports car being developed by Tesla, the Tesla Roadster (2008), and the rapid advancement of lithium-ion battery technology inspired him to push the carmaker to develop the Volt after the 2006 Detroit Auto Show,[31][32][33] overcoming internal opposition.[34] Lutz's initial idea was to develop an all-electric car, but Jon Lauckner, General Motors Vice President for Global Vehicle Development, convinced him that to avoid an expensive battery, range anxiety concerns, and lack of public charging infrastructure, they could use a smaller battery pack with a small gasoline engine driving a generator acting as a backup to extend the range, but without a mechanical connection between the gasoline engine and the drive wheels, so it would be a pure electrically driven vehicle without many of the limitations General Motors learned from the EV1 experience.[35]

Killer rebuttal if had said Obama had designed or funded and or engineered the Volt Hondo.

Obama promoted the hell out of the Volt and was a very big cheerleader for it even saying that after he was out of office he was going to buy one.

As usual, you're fucking murder on claims I've never made Hondo. This is why this thread is also about Obama cocksucker.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXuqZcVB0Gk

RedRocket said:

Sledog said:

sarktastic said:

“GM Cuts Production” (original title)

“General Motors announced Monday that it would cease production of the hybrid electric plug-in Volt and its gas-powered sister car the Cruze. The announcement came as part of a larger restructuring by the car company as it seeks to focus production around the bigger vehicles in favor with U.S. consumers.” (direct quote from link provided by you)

Politics of Obingo caused this mess. The Volt sucks. Range is short and the gas motor does not directly power the car via a mechanical drive line. Ask someone who owns one what happens when the battery dies and it's powered by the motor. It is just a generator and doesn't get the job done. The Cruz gets canceled as they are the same platform and the production numbers become too small to be profitable.

Us Americans like big honking trucks and SUV's with big room and big power. All you greenies can fuck off!

GM said the these cuts are part of a larger strategy to transition to electric and self driving vehicles. I know 2 people that have a Volt and both like it. The gas motor isn't supposed to drive like a standard ICE car it's supposed to let you limp home if you run out of juice. I'm surprised they are cutting it but it sounds like it's going to be replaced with something all electric.

Trucks and SUVs have a place and I don't think they are being replaced with electric anytime soon. Commuters and daily drivers are a different story.

I know people that have been stranded in them on the freeway at 45 MPH on the grapevine in Klai. They were stupid. I'm sure it's fine just don't drive very far!

Pitchfork51 said:

GM = fag you sound poor