we've just rejuvenated Oregon football... again

creepycoug said:

dtd said:

lawsandl said:

dtd said:

puppylove_sugarsteel said:

dtd said:

DerekJohnson said:

Chris Petersen and his staff mismanaged this game so poorly.

Please, Ducks will lose at least one more, starting next week.

Dont be so sure

WSU has a defense that isn't shit, is at home off a bye, and has a strength vs weakness matchup with their passing game vs our? pass D. The Pirate will pull out a few draw plays that go for big critical games as well, because fuck it, Oregon's D doesn't take anything away.

Oregon will run over that defense. Not sure if we stop them though.

Running 50 times a game for 4 ypc does not a powerful run game make. There is zero creativity in the Oregon offense. 3 yards and a cloud of dust works when you have an actual defense to back it up.

Um that's exactly what it does dumb fuck. It keeps your defense off the field and, when they have to come on, they're more rested. The ability to run without misdirection and 50 other things going on… Just lining up and running the fucking ball and being able to do it successfully even when the defense knows it's coming, is exactly the basis upon which true winning football is built.

I also think you are underestimating Oregon's defense. There are definitely some weaknesses: Graham being the most pronounced. But unlike the last few years, they are able to get stops when they need them.

No. Winning football is built on fly sweeps

Mosster47 said:

ntxduck said:

Mosster47 said:

dtd said:

Mosster47 said:

dtd said:

Mosster47 said:

dtd said:

lawsandl said:

dtd said:

lawsandl said:

dtd said:

puppylove_sugarsteel said:

dtd said:

DerekJohnson said:

Chris Petersen and his staff mismanaged this game so poorly.

Please, Ducks will lose at least one more, starting next week.

Dont be so sure

WSU has a defense that isn't shit, is at home off a bye, and has a strength vs weakness matchup with their passing game vs our? pass D. The Pirate will pull out a few draw plays that go for big critical games as well, because fuck it, Oregon's D doesn't take anything away.

Oregon will run over that defense. Not sure if we stop them though.

Running 50 times a game for 4 ypc does not a powerful run game make. There is zero creativity in the Oregon offense. 3 yards and a cloud of dust works when you have an actual defense to back it up.

Do you really think the Cougs hold the Ducks to the same rushing output?

Oregon rarely breaks big gainers on the ground. Maybe this'll be the week, I dunno. They've clearly raised the floor, Oregon is probably the best short yardage running team in the conference, the TFL % is way down, but they've castrated the high end of the rushing attack. There's no more bust, but there's no more boom.

While UW has clearly played superior competition than WSU, statistically, the rush D's aren't much different. Besides, this is all about their QB sitting in a clean pocket slinging it around the field against our idiots in the back 7.

Oregon's 2 deep in the secondary is: So/Fr, Sr/Fr, So/So, and So/Fr. No fucking way we? win this game. This is why the CHOKE against Stanford is so painful. Losing to WSU is okay, they're built to beat us, it was always going to happen. But now we're fucked because the 2nd conference loss is gonna end the season.

Aren't we leading the conference in rushing?

Let's normalize for conference games? Maybe it doesn't matter. I stand by everything I said.

This isn't the same strike fear into your opponents's hearts rushing attack. This is a 3 yards and a cloud of dust rushing attack

The ZR system wasn't sustainable long term and it got hammered against teams with good D-lines. The minimal blocking stuff will win you games and put up monster numbers against bad teams. Good teams eat that shit up.

The rushing attack now can grind against anyone.

In a vacuum I don't hate the change, but there is zero creativity. One fly sweep the entire year. One.

Oregon is two plays away from being 6-0. How much more fly sweep to Charles Nelson for negative yards did you need to see?

2 plays?

Hanson doesn't sky a snap and CJ doesn't fumble finishing the game. The Ducks are unbeaten and #5 right now.

I know. It's one play though, not two.

@Mosster47 Ducks now 6th in the conference in yards per rush.

MikeSeaver said:

dtd said:

Mosster47 said:

dtd said:

Mosster47 said:

dtd said:

lawsandl said:

dtd said:

lawsandl said:

dtd said:

puppylove_sugarsteel said:

dtd said:

DerekJohnson said:

Chris Petersen and his staff mismanaged this game so poorly.

Please, Ducks will lose at least one more, starting next week.

Dont be so sure

WSU has a defense that isn't shit, is at home off a bye, and has a strength vs weakness matchup with their passing game vs our? pass D. The Pirate will pull out a few draw plays that go for big critical games as well, because fuck it, Oregon's D doesn't take anything away.

Oregon will run over that defense. Not sure if we stop them though.

Running 50 times a game for 4 ypc does not a powerful run game make. There is zero creativity in the Oregon offense. 3 yards and a cloud of dust works when you have an actual defense to back it up.

Do you really think the Cougs hold the Ducks to the same rushing output?

Oregon rarely breaks big gainers on the ground. Maybe this'll be the week, I dunno. They've clearly raised the floor, Oregon is probably the best short yardage running team in the conference, the TFL % is way down, but they've castrated the high end of the rushing attack. There's no more bust, but there's no more boom.

While UW has clearly played superior competition than WSU, statistically, the rush D's aren't much different. Besides, this is all about their QB sitting in a clean pocket slinging it around the field against our idiots in the back 7.

Oregon's 2 deep in the secondary is: So/Fr, Sr/Fr, So/So, and So/Fr. No fucking way we? win this game. This is why the CHOKE against Stanford is so painful. Losing to WSU is okay, they're built to beat us, it was always going to happen. But now we're fucked because the 2nd conference loss is gonna end the season.

Aren't we leading the conference in rushing?

Let's normalize for conference games? Maybe it doesn't matter. I stand by everything I said.

This isn't the same strike fear into your opponents's hearts rushing attack. This is a 3 yards and a cloud of dust rushing attack

The ZR system wasn't sustainable long term and it got hammered against teams with good D-lines. The minimal blocking stuff will win you games and put up monster numbers against bad teams. Good teams eat that shit up.

The rushing attack now can grind against anyone.

In a vacuum I don't hate the change, but there is zero creativity. One fly sweep the entire year. One.

You want more fly sweeps? Is that what you actually wrote?

Fucking FLY SWEEPS???!!11

Yes you fucking dipshit. It's called a constraint play. Look it up. This offense badly needs one. But why run more of the play that went for 16 yards against Stanford, that'd be stupid.

dtd said:

MikeSeaver said:

dtd said:

Mosster47 said:

dtd said:

Mosster47 said:

dtd said:

lawsandl said:

dtd said:

lawsandl said:

dtd said:

puppylove_sugarsteel said:

dtd said:

DerekJohnson said:

Chris Petersen and his staff mismanaged this game so poorly.

Please, Ducks will lose at least one more, starting next week.

Dont be so sure

WSU has a defense that isn't shit, is at home off a bye, and has a strength vs weakness matchup with their passing game vs our? pass D. The Pirate will pull out a few draw plays that go for big critical games as well, because fuck it, Oregon's D doesn't take anything away.

Oregon will run over that defense. Not sure if we stop them though.

Running 50 times a game for 4 ypc does not a powerful run game make. There is zero creativity in the Oregon offense. 3 yards and a cloud of dust works when you have an actual defense to back it up.

Do you really think the Cougs hold the Ducks to the same rushing output?

Oregon rarely breaks big gainers on the ground. Maybe this'll be the week, I dunno. They've clearly raised the floor, Oregon is probably the best short yardage running team in the conference, the TFL % is way down, but they've castrated the high end of the rushing attack. There's no more bust, but there's no more boom.

While UW has clearly played superior competition than WSU, statistically, the rush D's aren't much different. Besides, this is all about their QB sitting in a clean pocket slinging it around the field against our idiots in the back 7.

Oregon's 2 deep in the secondary is: So/Fr, Sr/Fr, So/So, and So/Fr. No fucking way we? win this game. This is why the CHOKE against Stanford is so painful. Losing to WSU is okay, they're built to beat us, it was always going to happen. But now we're fucked because the 2nd conference loss is gonna end the season.

Aren't we leading the conference in rushing?

Let's normalize for conference games? Maybe it doesn't matter. I stand by everything I said.

This isn't the same strike fear into your opponents's hearts rushing attack. This is a 3 yards and a cloud of dust rushing attack

The ZR system wasn't sustainable long term and it got hammered against teams with good D-lines. The minimal blocking stuff will win you games and put up monster numbers against bad teams. Good teams eat that shit up.

The rushing attack now can grind against anyone.

In a vacuum I don't hate the change, but there is zero creativity. One fly sweep the entire year. One.

You want more fly sweeps? Is that what you actually wrote?

Fucking FLY SWEEPS???!!11

Yes you fucking dipshit. It's called a constraint play. Look it up. This offense badly needs one. But why run more of the play that went for 16 yards against Stanford, that'd be stupid.

It's almost like you don't know what you're fucking talking about.

For every time that fly sweeps work for 16 yards, they also work for three or 4 yard losses. It also tells your O line and running backs that you don't believe in them. What Mario is doing is imposing a fundamental belief in his players that they can overpower the guys in front of them. And that psychology is very fucking important.

I used to be a huge dolphins fans surprise surprise. I remember when they drafted Richmond Webb out of Texas A&M. His nickname at A&M was the hammer, because A&M they almost exclusively ran the ball and he was a very big reason they were successful at it. A downfield mauler.

Fast forward five years with the dolphins, who turned him into a premier left tackle, and while he was a pro bowler at protecting Marino's blind side, he was shit as a run blocker. The whole fucking line was. Why? Because at that time it always seemed to make sense to put the game in Marino's hands. So after what Marino did between 83 and 90, Miami was a past first run afterthought team.

But as Marino's physical ability began to deteriorate, the line of coaches who tried to make Miami and winner again appropriately wanted to establish the run, and have Marino be a part of the offense… Not the entire offense.

Nobody could ever fucking do it. Part of that had to do with Marino's attitude about it; and part of it was that they had a team full of probowl pass protectors who could not transition into doing anything to establish the run game.

Your O line will be what you coach them to be. I'm not saying that you can't have some razzle-dazzle and some transition shit in your play selection. But that kind of shit is like crack, and it seems like the more you do it the more you're going to do it. What Mario is doing with Oregon right now takes a lot of fucking discipline and a lot of ability to tune out people just like you. It's no fun to hand the ball off to a running back and see him get stopped for no gain or pick up only one to 3 yards. But the more you do it, the more successful you are at it, and those carries start to turn into 4 to 6 yard runs per clip late in the third and fourth quarters.

Establishing a straight at you running game is still a recipe for winning football. When you have that, you control tempo, you keep your defense off the field and rested, and you take away your opponent's will. There is nothing worse than knowing that you can't stop the other team from gouging you with straight off tackle running place. And what it does to play action pass is nothing short of miraculous.

It could be that this is the spark that "rejuvenates" Oregon, but not likely. To me, this was much more like the Sark wins over SC and Stanford. Oregon won because of UWs fuckups. Cristobal didnt all of a sudden become a non-mediocre coach because of this game.

Peterman said:

ntxduck said:

bananasnblondes said:

It could be that this is the spark that "rejuvenates" Oregon, but not likely. To me, this was much more like the Sark wins over SC and Stanford. Oregon won because of UWs fuckups. Cristobal didnt all of a sudden become a non-mediocre coach because of this game.

LOL. jesus fucking christ

So you think an overtime win at home coming off a bye solidifies Cristibal as a great coach?

This. The quooks are ready to give Cristobal a lifetime extension because UW missed a field goal. I say do it.

Just to be clear, Peterman the poaster is terrible, Peterman the coach is good but seems to get dragged down by his assistants and by being too stubborn.

I think Peterman could get to the title game if he was at Oregon and had the marketing juggernaut that the Oregon brand is behind him, as long as he had some ace recruiters and quality assistants. UW needs to become edgier to compete with UO going forward, but I'm not sure that's possible. The recruits dig the helmets and uniforms.

ntxduck said:

Peterman said:

ntxduck said:

bananasnblondes said:

It could be that this is the spark that "rejuvenates" Oregon, but not likely. To me, this was much more like the Sark wins over SC and Stanford. Oregon won because of UWs fuckups. Cristobal didnt all of a sudden become a non-mediocre coach because of this game.

LOL. jesus fucking christ

So you think an overtime win at home coming off a bye solidifies Cristibal as a great coach?

Didn't say that, but Sark beat USC with a backup QB who was so bad he transferred to Richmond (where he didn't even start there) after that game. Same with Sark beating Stanford...he beat backup Josh Nunes.

Saying Oregon won because of UWs fuckups is just hilarious denial. I saw an extremely evenly matched game, between 2 good but not great teams. Almost every fuckup UW fans have been bitching about on here also apply to Oregon (missed FG, poor special teams, poor red zone playcalling...)

Oregon will lose a couple more games this year, and UW will probably lose once more as well. But if I'm a Washington fan, I'm wondering why Cristobal in year 1 is pretty much dead even with CP in year 5.

Put on your cuog helmet loser, losers have losing attitudes, Oregon might not win out, but it definitely won't do it if the players have the same sorry mindset that you do. But I don't think that's the case. They think they can win. Cristobal has them believing in themselves and the program again.

bananasnblondes said:

It could be that this is the spark that "rejuvenates" Oregon, but not likely. To me, this was much more like the Sark wins over SC and Stanford. Oregon won because of UWs fuckups. Cristobal didnt all of a sudden become a non-mediocre coach because of this game.

You have zero basis on which to make that claim or know if he's mediocre or good, other than what he's done at Oregon. The rest is irrelevant. FIU is irrelevant, notwithstanding he built them into the only bowl game they've ever even seen.

This is a classically doog post. Oregon fucked up too. There were some key drops on 3rd down that would have made things harder on Washington. On UW's last TD pass, UW got away with an obvious hold on the pass rusher who was coming right at Jake, and we all know what happens when Jake has someone bearing down on him. Instead, UW held the guy, Jake was able to buy another 3 or 4 seconds, and lobbed a fly ball at Jones. No holding, that TD probably doesn't happen. UW did not just hand Oregon the game. They ran straight at you with success. They beat you with a mediocre performance from their best player.

Oregon was in a shambles when he took over the program. That he has not progressed that team from the ashes of two coaching transitions, one of them being Helfire who had made the program soft and shitty, is something only a bitter little doog could say.


Doogie Doogie Doog it away.

ntxduck said:

Peterman said:

ntxduck said:

bananasnblondes said:

It could be that this is the spark that "rejuvenates" Oregon, but not likely. To me, this was much more like the Sark wins over SC and Stanford. Oregon won because of UWs fuckups. Cristobal didnt all of a sudden become a non-mediocre coach because of this game.

LOL. jesus fucking christ

So you think an overtime win at home coming off a bye solidifies Cristibal as a great coach?

Didn't say that, but Sark beat USC with a backup QB who was so bad he transferred to Richmond (where he didn't even start there) after that game. Same with Sark beating Stanford...he beat backup Josh Nunes.

Saying Oregon won because of UWs fuckups is just hilarious denial. I saw an extremely evenly matched game, between 2 good but not great teams. Almost every fuckup UW fans have been bitching about on here also apply to Oregon (missed FG, poor special teams, poor red zone playcalling...)

Oregon will lose a couple more games this year, and UW will probably lose once more as well. But if I'm a Washington fan, I'm wondering why Cristobal in year 1 is pretty much dead even with CP in year 5.

Consult the doog narrative and you'll understand why they aren't wondering any such thing.

You see, Cristo is like Sark. We know that somehow based on the collective data of 5-1 in his first year on the job. A loss next week will confirm this for them.

haie said:

creepycoug said:

bananasnblondes said:

It could be that this is the spark that "rejuvenates" Oregon, but not likely. To me, this was much more like the Sark wins over SC and Stanford. Oregon won because of UWs fuckups. Cristobal didnt all of a sudden become a non-mediocre coach because of this game.

You have zero basis on which to make that claim or know if he's mediocre or good, other than what he's done at Oregon. The rest is irrelevant. FIU is irrelevant, notwithstanding he built them into the only bowl game they've ever even seen.



This is a classically doog post. Oregon fucked up too. There were some key drops on 3rd down that would have made things harder on Washington. On UW's last TD pass, UW got away with an obvious hold on the pass rusher who was coming right at Jake, and we all know what happens when Jake has someone baring down on him. Instead, UW held the guy, Jake was able to buy another 3 or 4 seconds, and lobbed a fly ball at Jones. No holding, that TD probably doesn't happen. UW did not just hand Oregon the game. They ran straight at you with success. They beat you with a mediocre performance from their best player.

Oregon was in a shambles when he took over the program. That he has not progressed that team from the ashes of two coaching transitions, one of them being Helfire who had made the program soft and shitty, is something only a bitter little doog could say.


Doogie Doogie Doog it away.

Sounds like UW was lucky to even be in the game...

Sounds like you're hungover and changing the subject because you haven't a better response. The box score doesn't lie.

Only a doog reviews the game, focuses on his team's mistakes and bad breaks, and concludes that's the only reason they could have lost. Herbert was average yesterday and there were several key drops, especially in the 4th Quarter that helped set Washington up for that last time-consuming drive. It didn't have to play out that way and maybe it's not down to a field goal for the win.

Oregon lost two starting O linemen and one of their best D linemen too. It wasn't a perfect day for the ducks by any stretch.

But dooging is what we? do on Sundays after a loss I suppose.

Be glad you won't sneak into NY6; facing Bama this year with this Washington team would be a program breaker.

Peterman said:

I'm seeing just as much quooking as dooging if Im being honest

You're not being honest. You're being doogy, which is the exactly opposite.

You're bringing in Bob's favorite word, but accurately, with strawman arguments.

Anybody who argues Cristobal hasn't made Oregon much better is working too hard.

Is this his ceiling? I don't know. Neithre does anybody else on this board. LIPO.

If they suck the rest of the way and stumble into a shitty bowl, then sure, maybe he's Sark. First year is first year, but it would indicate he maybe peaked with Washington.

But this idea that Washington didn't show up and Oregon played out of their minds is straight out of the doog playbook.

UW got beat yesterday by a team surprisingly closer to them than I certainly expected them to be.