Remember when libs used to insist that Obama wasn't a socialist...

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RaceBannon said:

Just don't claim that hondo has been defending obamacare from day 1

Obamacare is shit. But it didn't cause insurance rates to skyrocket. Dumbfuck.

Right. Obamacare was supposed to stop the skyrocketing and bring it under control. With a true "public option" it had a chance of making an impact on costs. That's why Obama's Wall Street banker backers told him to drop that fucking shit yesterday as soon as he took office, and he obediently did so, handing it off to Harry Reid to give it the Fredo treatment. Nevadans are known for that.

I don't have time to research this. And this is from 2013, but it illustrates my point. Yes Obamacare didn't reduce health insurance costs. But the actual increases now are lower than they were in the past. In other words. It had Little positive effect but the many peoples perception was it had a negative effect. Which isn't true. The bill was shit but better than what we had. At least people who don't have employer provided insurance now have an easy way to find insurance.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/20/health-costs-are-growing-really-slowly-americans-havent-noticed/

Except that it completely killed the private market(see unsubsidized) for healthcare. It's part of why I won't go back to being a consultant. It's impossible for me to afford health insurance that ISN'T through an employer.

I still know gobs of people that just end up not buying insurance because they can't afford it and just pay the penalty instead. They are forced to pay for all of their healthcare out of pocket at offices that will take cash.

My favorite part of this is how someone like Hondo or one of my liberal friends will try to explain to me how this isn't actually a problem at all or how it's just a misconception on my part. It has nothing to do with actual rates skyrocketing or actual experiences...

You sound poor.

Ok now that that's out of the way. It didn't kill the private market. There's like 11 million people buying insurance through the exchanges. That's substantially higher than bought on the private market before.

But you bring up a good point. Why is health Care tied to employers? I know the history of why but is that a good system? There are better ways but that's where we are now.

Your friends that don't have insurance..... They are the exact people a national health Care system would help. That being said, they are in the exact same place they were before Obamacare. Well other than the penalty.... Guess it sucks to be them.

Exchanges aren't the private market. Hth.

Lol no, these are middle class people that could afford health insurance before privately. Now they can't because rates skyrocketed.

My own rates went from $70/month to $450/month. My family rates went from about $200 to over $1200 per month. I have lots of friends that it's even worse for.

This is directly because of the subsidies and "one size fits all" policies Obamacare put in place.

This has become a very common problem, those numbers are in line with what many people have experienced as a result of the "Affordable Care Act". Anyone with half a brain could tell that Obamacare was headed this way, destined to fail from day one. A healthy dose of suspicion might lead one to believe it was designed to fail with enough pain to get the masses to agree with the left's long term goal of single payer. Or it is just a reflection of the idiots who put it in place. Or abundance.

RaceBannon said:

2001400ex said:

Southerndawg said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

2001400ex said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

2001400ex said:

TurdBuffer said:

2001400ex said:

RaceBannon said:

Just don't claim that hondo has been defending obamacare from day 1

Obamacare is shit. But it didn't cause insurance rates to skyrocket. Dumbfuck.

Right. Obamacare was supposed to stop the skyrocketing and bring it under control. With a true "public option" it had a chance of making an impact on costs. That's why Obama's Wall Street banker backers told him to drop that fucking shit yesterday as soon as he took office, and he obediently did so, handing it off to Harry Reid to give it the Fredo treatment. Nevadans are known for that.

I don't have time to research this. And this is from 2013, but it illustrates my point. Yes Obamacare didn't reduce health insurance costs. But the actual increases now are lower than they were in the past. In other words. It had Little positive effect but the many peoples perception was it had a negative effect. Which isn't true. The bill was shit but better than what we had. At least people who don't have employer provided insurance now have an easy way to find insurance.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/20/health-costs-are-growing-really-slowly-americans-havent-noticed/

Except that it completely killed the private market(see unsubsidized) for healthcare. It's part of why I won't go back to being a consultant. It's impossible for me to afford health insurance that ISN'T through an employer.

I still know gobs of people that just end up not buying insurance because they can't afford it and just pay the penalty instead. They are forced to pay for all of their healthcare out of pocket at offices that will take cash.

My favorite part of this is how someone like Hondo or one of my liberal friends will try to explain to me how this isn't actually a problem at all or how it's just a misconception on my part. It has nothing to do with actual rates skyrocketing or actual experiences...

You sound poor.

Ok now that that's out of the way. It didn't kill the private market. There's like 11 million people buying insurance through the exchanges. That's substantially higher than bought on the private market before.

But you bring up a good point. Why is health Care tied to employers? I know the history of why but is that a good system? There are better ways but that's where we are now.

Your friends that don't have insurance..... They are the exact people a national health Care system would help. That being said, they are in the exact same place they were before Obamacare. Well other than the penalty.... Guess it sucks to be them.

Exchanges aren't the private market. Hth.

Lol no, these are middle class people that could afford health insurance before privately. Now they can't because rates skyrocketed.

My own rates went from $70/month to $450/month. My family rates went from about $200 to over $1200 per month. I have lots of friends that it's even worse for.

This is directly because of the subsidies and "one size fits all" policies Obamacare put in place.

This has become a very common problem, those numbers are in line with what many people have experienced as a result of the "Affordable Care Act". Anyone with half a brain could tell that Obamacare was headed this way, destined to fail from day one. A healthy dose of suspicion might lead one to believe it was designed to fail with enough pain to get the masses to agree with the left's long term goal of single payer. Or it is just a reflection of the idiots who put it in place. Or abundance.

The increases the last 2 years are a direct result of Trump's actions. Own it.

They were built in so shills would blame someone other than Obama

Looks like it worked

UW_Doog_Bot said:

2001400ex said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

2001400ex said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

2001400ex said:

TurdBuffer said:

2001400ex said:

RaceBannon said:

Just don't claim that hondo has been defending obamacare from day 1

Obamacare is shit. But it didn't cause insurance rates to skyrocket. Dumbfuck.

Right. Obamacare was supposed to stop the skyrocketing and bring it under control. With a true "public option" it had a chance of making an impact on costs. That's why Obama's Wall Street banker backers told him to drop that fucking shit yesterday as soon as he took office, and he obediently did so, handing it off to Harry Reid to give it the Fredo treatment. Nevadans are known for that.

I don't have time to research this. And this is from 2013, but it illustrates my point. Yes Obamacare didn't reduce health insurance costs. But the actual increases now are lower than they were in the past. In other words. It had Little positive effect but the many peoples perception was it had a negative effect. Which isn't true. The bill was shit but better than what we had. At least people who don't have employer provided insurance now have an easy way to find insurance.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/20/health-costs-are-growing-really-slowly-americans-havent-noticed/

Except that it completely killed the private market(see unsubsidized) for healthcare. It's part of why I won't go back to being a consultant. It's impossible for me to afford health insurance that ISN'T through an employer.

I still know gobs of people that just end up not buying insurance because they can't afford it and just pay the penalty instead. They are forced to pay for all of their healthcare out of pocket at offices that will take cash.

My favorite part of this is how someone like Hondo or one of my liberal friends will try to explain to me how this isn't actually a problem at all or how it's just a misconception on my part. It has nothing to do with actual rates skyrocketing or actual experiences...

You sound poor.

Ok now that that's out of the way. It didn't kill the private market. There's like 11 million people buying insurance through the exchanges. That's substantially higher than bought on the private market before.

But you bring up a good point. Why is health Care tied to employers? I know the history of why but is that a good system? There are better ways but that's where we are now.

Your friends that don't have insurance..... They are the exact people a national health Care system would help. That being said, they are in the exact same place they were before Obamacare. Well other than the penalty.... Guess it sucks to be them.

Exchanges aren't the private market. Hth.

Wait wut? They are private insurers. With plans in accordance with requirements by the government. So they can't rob you by kicking you off insurance if you get sick, for example.

But ok!!

In Soviet Russia government run markets are private markets!