Remember when libs used to insist that Obama wasn't a socialist...
Those denials were about as solid as his "opposition" to gay marriage.
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It's hard.SFGbob said:and that the he didn't want to nationalize healthcare?
Those denials were about as solid as his "opposition" to gay marriage.
And he ran on and got elected on national health Care in 2008. HTH -
He never ran on nationalizing healthcare. In fact he denied that he wanted to nationalize healthcare. So you just lying again or do you want to attribute this to being a dumbfuck?
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What do you call universal health Care?SFGbob said:He never ran on nationalizing healthcare. In fact he denied that he wanted to nationalize healthcare. So you just lying again or do you want to attribute this to being a dumbfuck?
https://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/obama-health-care-conversion-obamacare-097185 -
He passed market-based health care reform which sucked because anything short of socialized health care is unworkable. Apparently he has realized this, but far too late.
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He ran on look at me, I’m black and white guilt.2001400ex said:
It's hard.SFGbob said:and that the he didn't want to nationalize healthcare?
Those denials were about as solid as his "opposition" to gay marriage.
And he ran on and got elected on national health Care in 2008. HTH
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So you are saying there's more racist black people than racist white people. Could be.PurpleThrobber said:
He ran on look at me, I’m black and white guilt.2001400ex said:
It's hard.SFGbob said:and that the he didn't want to nationalize healthcare?
Those denials were about as solid as his "opposition" to gay marriage.
And he ran on and got elected on national health Care in 2008. HTH
His ‘platform’ didn’t mean shit. -
Wtf? A lot of thanks to the guy who’d have been right there with you slashing the tires of tac town teacher scabs back in the old teacher strike days.PurpleThrobber said:
He ran on look at me, I’m black and white guilt.2001400ex said:
It's hard.SFGbob said:and that the he didn't want to nationalize healthcare?
Those denials were about as solid as his "opposition" to gay marriage.
And he ran on and got elected on national health Care in 2008. HTH
His ‘platform’ didn’t mean shit.
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Not a ton of difference between nationalized healthcare and being forced into 2-3 private healthcare providers.
Not that it’s possible at the US scale, but the Swedish system hasn’t been that bad (10m vs 330m). -
Medicare for all doesn't nationalize healthcare.SFGbob said:He never ran on nationalizing healthcare. In fact he denied that he wanted to nationalize healthcare. So you just lying again or do you want to attribute this to being a dumbfuck?
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Remember when Obama said he was a communist and a mooselimb but his fanatics chose not to believe it?
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SuchFagBob sure left when he realized he was lying.
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Sorry Kunt, I have a life on the weekends.2001400ex said:SuchFagBob sure left when he realized he was lying.
If I can tell you who you have to extend coverage to, how much you can charge them and what services you have to provide them I've just nationalized healthcare. Medicare for all puts the Federal Government in complete control of the healthcare industry. They will dictate prices, and they will dictate the coverage and treatments that have to be provided. It's a distinction without a difference.
Why would I ever run from a fucking lying moron like you Hondo? -
So you agree you were lying.SFGbob said:
Sorry Kunt, I have a life on the weekends.2001400ex said:SuchFagBob sure left when he realized he was lying.
If I can tell you who you have to extend coverage to, how much you can charge them and what services you have to provide them I've just nationalized healthcare. Medicare for all puts the Federal Government in complete control of the healthcare industry. They will dictate prices, and they will dictate the coverage and treatments that have to be provided. It's a distinction without a difference.
Why would I ever run from a fucking lying moron like you Hondo? -
So dumbSledog said:Remember when Obama said he was a communist and a mooselimb but his fanatics chose not to believe it?
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He also proclaimed marriage to be between one man & one woman, until he didn't. Was he a hateful bigot until that flop?
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He was very dumb to say those things. Glad we agree on this.creepycoug said:
So dumbSledog said:Remember when Obama said he was a communist and a mooselimb but his fanatics chose not to believe it?
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Bob is correct as usual.
Campaigning on Single Payer?
"We debunked this falsehood when Sen. John McCain said it during the third presidential debate. McCain claimed that “as he said, his object is a single payer system.” But as a presidential candidate, Obama didn’t say that at all. And the plan he proposed wasn’t a single-payer system, one in which everyone is covered by health insurance through the government. As we said in our Oct. 16 article, Obama said at a town hall meeting in Albuquerque last summer that a single payer system would “probably” be his first choice “if” he were “designing a system from scratch.” But instead, he said, his “attitude is let’s build up the system we got, let’s make it more efficient, we may be over time – as we make the system more efficient and everybody’s covered – decide that there are other ways for us to provide care more effectively.”
https://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/campaigning-on-single-payer/
"Obama, May 14: If I were starting a system from scratch, then I think that the idea of moving towards a single-payer system could very well make sense. That’s the kind of system that you have in most industrialized countries around the world.
The only problem is that we’re not starting from scratch. We have historically a tradition of employer-based health care. And although there are a lot of people who are not satisfied with their health care, the truth is, is that the vast majority of people currently get health care from their employers and you’ve got this system that’s already in place. We don’t want a huge disruption as we go into health care reform where suddenly we’re trying to completely reinvent one-sixth of the economy.
So what I’ve said is, let’s set up a system where if you already have health care through your employer and you’re happy with it, you don’t have to change doctors, you don’t have to change plans — nothing changes. If you don’t have health care or you’re highly unsatisfied with your health care, then let’s give you choices, let’s give you options, including a public plan that you could enroll in and sign up for. That’s been my proposal."
BTW Bob, Owl still has his insurance and it hasn't changed. I think he is still looking for that $2,500 though.
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Obama ran as a moderate who was SERIOUS about the national debt in 2008. He lied his ass off and my dumbass 20 year old self voted for him.
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So he was for universal health Care. Got it.DJDuck said:Bob is correct as usual.
Campaigning on Single Payer?
"We debunked this falsehood when Sen. John McCain said it during the third presidential debate. McCain claimed that “as he said, his object is a single payer system.” But as a presidential candidate, Obama didn’t say that at all. And the plan he proposed wasn’t a single-payer system, one in which everyone is covered by health insurance through the government. As we said in our Oct. 16 article, Obama said at a town hall meeting in Albuquerque last summer that a single payer system would “probably” be his first choice “if” he were “designing a system from scratch.” But instead, he said, his “attitude is let’s build up the system we got, let’s make it more efficient, we may be over time – as we make the system more efficient and everybody’s covered – decide that there are other ways for us to provide care more effectively.”
https://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/campaigning-on-single-payer/
"Obama, May 14: If I were starting a system from scratch, then I think that the idea of moving towards a single-payer system could very well make sense. That’s the kind of system that you have in most industrialized countries around the world.
The only problem is that we’re not starting from scratch. We have historically a tradition of employer-based health care. And although there are a lot of people who are not satisfied with their health care, the truth is, is that the vast majority of people currently get health care from their employers and you’ve got this system that’s already in place. We don’t want a huge disruption as we go into health care reform where suddenly we’re trying to completely reinvent one-sixth of the economy.
So what I’ve said is, let’s set up a system where if you already have health care through your employer and you’re happy with it, you don’t have to change doctors, you don’t have to change plans — nothing changes. If you don’t have health care or you’re highly unsatisfied with your health care, then let’s give you choices, let’s give you options, including a public plan that you could enroll in and sign up for. That’s been my proposal."
BTW Bob, Owl still has his insurance and it hasn't changed. I think he is still looking for that $2,500 though. -
He was for a single payer system and he just lied and claimed he wasn't. Kind of like how you lie here all the time. I can see why you like him so much. You both have a lot in common. Just like with gay marriage, now he feels free to state what his real position was all along. Medicare for all = single payer healthcare. Single payer health care = Nationalization of healthcare.2001400ex said:
So he was for universal health Care. Got it.DJDuck said:Bob is correct as usual.
Campaigning on Single Payer?
"We debunked this falsehood when Sen. John McCain said it during the third presidential debate. McCain claimed that “as he said, his object is a single payer system.” But as a presidential candidate, Obama didn’t say that at all. And the plan he proposed wasn’t a single-payer system, one in which everyone is covered by health insurance through the government. As we said in our Oct. 16 article, Obama said at a town hall meeting in Albuquerque last summer that a single payer system would “probably” be his first choice “if” he were “designing a system from scratch.” But instead, he said, his “attitude is let’s build up the system we got, let’s make it more efficient, we may be over time – as we make the system more efficient and everybody’s covered – decide that there are other ways for us to provide care more effectively.”
https://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/campaigning-on-single-payer/
"Obama, May 14: If I were starting a system from scratch, then I think that the idea of moving towards a single-payer system could very well make sense. That’s the kind of system that you have in most industrialized countries around the world.
The only problem is that we’re not starting from scratch. We have historically a tradition of employer-based health care. And although there are a lot of people who are not satisfied with their health care, the truth is, is that the vast majority of people currently get health care from their employers and you’ve got this system that’s already in place. We don’t want a huge disruption as we go into health care reform where suddenly we’re trying to completely reinvent one-sixth of the economy.
So what I’ve said is, let’s set up a system where if you already have health care through your employer and you’re happy with it, you don’t have to change doctors, you don’t have to change plans — nothing changes. If you don’t have health care or you’re highly unsatisfied with your health care, then let’s give you choices, let’s give you options, including a public plan that you could enroll in and sign up for. That’s been my proposal."
BTW Bob, Owl still has his insurance and it hasn't changed. I think he is still looking for that $2,500 though.
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Exactly Bob. As you said and libs here don't seem to comprehend or admit..........Oboner DIDN'T RUN ON NATIONALISED OR UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARESFGbob said:
He was for a single payer system and he just lied and claimed he wasn't. Kind of like how you lie here all the time. I can see why you like him so much. You both have a lot in common. Just like with gay marriage, now he feels free to state what his real position was all along. Medicare for all = single payer healthcare. Single payer health care = Nationalization of healthcare.2001400ex said:
So he was for universal health Care. Got it.DJDuck said:Bob is correct as usual.
Campaigning on Single Payer?
"We debunked this falsehood when Sen. John McCain said it during the third presidential debate. McCain claimed that “as he said, his object is a single payer system.” But as a presidential candidate, Obama didn’t say that at all. And the plan he proposed wasn’t a single-payer system, one in which everyone is covered by health insurance through the government. As we said in our Oct. 16 article, Obama said at a town hall meeting in Albuquerque last summer that a single payer system would “probably” be his first choice “if” he were “designing a system from scratch.” But instead, he said, his “attitude is let’s build up the system we got, let’s make it more efficient, we may be over time – as we make the system more efficient and everybody’s covered – decide that there are other ways for us to provide care more effectively.”
https://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/campaigning-on-single-payer/
"Obama, May 14: If I were starting a system from scratch, then I think that the idea of moving towards a single-payer system could very well make sense. That’s the kind of system that you have in most industrialized countries around the world.
The only problem is that we’re not starting from scratch. We have historically a tradition of employer-based health care. And although there are a lot of people who are not satisfied with their health care, the truth is, is that the vast majority of people currently get health care from their employers and you’ve got this system that’s already in place. We don’t want a huge disruption as we go into health care reform where suddenly we’re trying to completely reinvent one-sixth of the economy.
So what I’ve said is, let’s set up a system where if you already have health care through your employer and you’re happy with it, you don’t have to change doctors, you don’t have to change plans — nothing changes. If you don’t have health care or you’re highly unsatisfied with your health care, then let’s give you choices, let’s give you options, including a public plan that you could enroll in and sign up for. That’s been my proposal."
BTW Bob, Owl still has his insurance and it hasn't changed. I think he is still looking for that $2,500 though. -
[But instead, he said, his “attitude is let’s build up the system we got, let’s make it more efficient, we may be over time – as we make the system more efficient and everybody’s covered – decide that there are other ways for us to provide care more effectively.”
So what I’ve said is, let’s set up a system where if you already have health care through your employer and you’re happy with it, you don’t have to change doctors, you don’t have to change plans — nothing changes. If you don’t have health care or you’re highly unsatisfied with your health care, then let’s give you choices, let’s give you options, including a public plan that you could enroll in and sign up for. That’s been my proposal."]
These two statement show that he was either incredibly ignorant of economics or incredibly disingenuous. Most likely abundance. -
It's awesome getting Trump dicksuckers to not only admit Obama wasn't a communist. But argue and argue he wasn't.
Thanks for that. -
He said himself he's a commie. I had no reason not to believe him. HTH2001400ex said:It's awesome getting Trump dicksuckers to not only admit Obama wasn't a communist. But argue and argue he wasn't.
Thanks for that. -
Well people in Scandinavia take care of themselves outside of smoking like a chimney. Americans don't.LoneStarDawg said:Not a ton of difference between nationalized healthcare and being forced into 2-3 private healthcare providers.
Not that it’s possible at the US scale, but the Swedish system hasn’t been that bad (10m vs 330m).
It's literally to the point we have to let these fat people die ASAP for national security reasons. -
There is nothing market-based about healthcare in America.HardlyClothed said:He passed market-based health care reform which sucked because anything short of socialized health care is unworkable. Apparently he has realized this, but far too late.
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And there's the strawman ass fuck.2001400ex said:It's awesome getting Trump dicksuckers to not only admit Obama wasn't a communist. But argue and argue he wasn't.
Thanks for that. -
Thanks to Obama's Healthcare plan, millions more people are now covered by Health Insurance that is paid for by other working-class people whose rates went up and now both groups receive a far more complicated, onerous, bureaucratic and inferior product. Yay.
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I don't know. My insurance went from 8% increases every year to 3% or so. I won. 30 million people have health Care that didn't before.TurdBuffer said:Thanks to Obama's Healthcare plan, millions more people are now covered by Health Insurance that is paid for by other working-class people whose rates went up and now both groups receive a far more complicated, onerous, bureaucratic and inferior product. Yay.
While the law was shit and there's lots to do to fix it. It's better than the old system.
