Joseph Ngata, 5* 2019 WR, Folsom, CA (WE FUCKED THE POOCH)
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FUCK YOU DOOGStrongArmCobra said:
Ty Jones is 6'4 215 with 4.5 speed and a 40 inch vert. Who's to say he won't become our version of N'keal Harry?DoogCourics said:What everyone missed this last week due to the Teq v. Ballz/Roof retard fest, was that the pain from losing Ngata isn't because we'll? go get JAGs to fill the class at WR. Nor does it matter that his spot can be used to grab another guy on the lines. It also doesn't matter that we? can miss on him because the last two classes were really solid at WR and we? can take the blow.
All it takes to understand why losing Ngata is crippling is to imagine the last two UW seasons (with runs to both the Playoffs and the Fiesta Bowel) with a 6'4" 216 pound N'Keal Harry on the team.
We? got Byron Murphy but were unable to lock down his best friend Harry. While Ross and Dante were lighting it up in 2016, Harry would have been getting valuable playing time as a Freshman as a Day 1 physical force. In 2017, Harry would have made an elite pairing with Dante that would have allowed Fuller/Pounds/Baccellia to figure out who is the #3 WR. Going into 2018, instead of zero fucking clue who is going to emerge at WR, you'd have a grown ass man Harry as a JR who is he best WR in the league and can figure out who's going to jump into that #2 and #3 spot between Jones/Fuller/etc.
Ngata is that kind of dominant WR. The pain from losing Ngata comes from the lack of an absolute physical dominance. A 3 year starter then guaranteed early NFL entrant. Jones, Bynum, Cook, Spiker, Osborne should all be good WR. But it will be critical to get Ngata to flip back to UW so that those other WR can be Elite #2 and #3 WR's that pair with the physical presence of Ngata.
If you can't see that, there's Ngata fucking thing I can do to help you.
Yes, getting N'keal Harry would have been huge because of the the JAGs we've had to deal with at WR the past couple years outside of Ross and Pettis. But, the comparison to Joe Ngata potentially coming to UW now and Harry back then is apples to oranges. Yes, Ngata is a freak but if he comes to UW the JAGs will be on their way out the door and he'll be competing for playing time against other stud WRs who will have a leg up on him in terms of knowledge of the system and experience. Ngata would not have the early impact on the team that Harry would have because the WR depth and overall talent when Ngata would arrive will be far better than it was back then. -
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I agree 100% and it definitely got lost in the wall of back/forth
Ngata is elite and special ...
Take Harry and Petrie last year as a great example. Pettis is a competent #1 but an ELITE #2. This is where understanding concepts like spotting guys in the right spots and trickle down effects really matters.
Fast forward to next year with an OL prospect like Hatchett. If he comes in and plays a T spot for us that’s great - total confidence that he can do that. If we’re able to have 3 (or more) elite T on the roster that increases the potential of moving one (or more) inside to G. It’s not a 1:1 just that simple of a switch but the point being that it increases the ability to not only get our best players on the field, but to put them in positions where in relation to the players lining up across from them they have a competitive advantage. It’s such an important concept to embrace and understand. -
Didn't our new OC just spend a year learning from Sark?Doogles said:
The problem with this analysis is you assume Harry would understand Petersens play book enough to get actual PT.DoogCourics said:What everyone missed this last week due to the Teq v. Ballz/Roof retard fest, was that the pain from losing Ngata isn't because we'll? go get JAGs to fill the class at WR. Nor does it matter that his spot can be used to grab another guy on the lines. It also doesn't matter that we? can miss on him because the last two classes were really solid at WR and we? can take the blow.
All it takes to understand why losing Ngata is crippling is to imagine the last two UW seasons (with runs to both the Playoffs and the Fiesta Bowel) with a 6'4" 216 pound N'Keal Harry on the team.
We? got Byron Murphy but were unable to lock down his best friend Harry. While Ross and Dante were lighting it up in 2016, Harry would have been getting valuable playing time as a Freshman as a Day 1 physical force. In 2017, Harry would have made an elite pairing with Dante that would have allowed Fuller/Pounds/Baccellia to figure out who is the #3 WR. Going into 2018, instead of zero fucking clue who is going to emerge at WR, you'd have a grown ass man Harry as a JR who is he best WR in the league and can figure out who's going to jump into that #2 and #3 spot between Jones/Fuller/etc.
Ngata is that kind of dominant WR. The pain from losing Ngata comes from the lack of an absolute physical dominance. A 3 year starter then guaranteed early NFL entrant. Jones, Bynum, Cook, Spiker, Osborne should all be good WR. But it will be critical to get Ngata to flip back to UW so that those other WR can be Elite #2 and #3 WR's that pair with the physical presence of Ngata.
If you can't see that, there's Ngata fucking thing I can do to help you.
Once you Doogs admit Ty Jones' frosh year was a bust you'll understand. It's one of the frustrating things of this regime.
As much as we make fun of Sark for just going out and "letting it rip", Petersens offense could use a little more of that element. -
Rage and sorrow are seated in my heart so firmly that I scarce dare to stay alive.
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Maybe Pete and Bush have decided we? need fewer receivers going forward and are changing to the Power I ( three backs) or Wishbone.
Double tight ends. Three backs. 1 receiver.
50 rushes; 15 passing attempts per game. I’m great with this. -
TL;DRTequilla said:@DoogCourics
I agree 100% and it definitely got lost in the wall of back/forth
Ngata is elite and special ...
Take Harry and Petrie last year as a great example. Pettis is a competent #1 but an ELITE #2. This is where understanding concepts like spotting guys in the right spots and trickle down effects really matters.
Fast forward to next year with an OL prospect like Hatchett. If he comes in and plays a T spot for us that’s great - total confidence that he can do that. If we’re able to have 3 (or more) elite T on the roster that increases the potential of moving one (or more) inside to G. It’s not a 1:1 just that simple of a switch but the point being that it increases the ability to not only get our best players on the field, but to put them in positions where in relation to the players lining up across from them they have a competitive advantage. It’s such an important concept to embrace and understand.
If you got a guy who plays G at an elite level and T at a high level, you want an elite tackle for maximum performance
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I have been reflecting on Joseph Ngata's recruitment. An important question springs to mind, and I'm really hoping that @Tequilla and BallzDeep can weigh in:
Was John Ross drafted in the top 10 or top 15 of the first round? -
Seems to be a pinfall anywhere match between teq and ruthballz.
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Squirt said:
I have been reflecting on Joseph Ngata's recruitment. An important question springs to mind, and I'm really hoping that @Tequilla and BallzDeep can weigh in:
Was John Ross drafted in the top 10 or top 15 of the first round?
One could argue Pettis was drafted above his projection. SF is a great place for himSquirt said:I have been reflecting on Joseph Ngata's recruitment. An important question springs to mind, and I'm really hoping that @Tequilla and BallzDeep can weigh in:
Was John Ross drafted in the top 10 or top 15 of the first round? -
Idk, I think SF saw the tape of Dante consistently getting open, but a shitty QB was holding him downDoogles said:Squirt said:I have been reflecting on Joseph Ngata's recruitment. An important question springs to mind, and I'm really hoping that @Tequilla and BallzDeep can weigh in:
Was John Ross drafted in the top 10 or top 15 of the first round?
One could argue Pettis was drafted above his projection. SF is a great place for himSquirt said:I have been reflecting on Joseph Ngata's recruitment. An important question springs to mind, and I'm really hoping that @Tequilla and BallzDeep can weigh in:
Was John Ross drafted in the top 10 or top 15 of the first round? -
WR gonna kill Sherman this year
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I think Jones will be pretty good, but he was also overrated as a recruit by us here on the boards.StrongArmCobra said:
Ty Jones is 6'4 215 with 4.5 speed and a 40 inch vert. Who's to say he won't become our version of N'keal Harry?DoogCourics said:What everyone missed this last week due to the Teq v. Ballz/Roof retard fest, was that the pain from losing Ngata isn't because we'll? go get JAGs to fill the class at WR. Nor does it matter that his spot can be used to grab another guy on the lines. It also doesn't matter that we? can miss on him because the last two classes were really solid at WR and we? can take the blow.
All it takes to understand why losing Ngata is crippling is to imagine the last two UW seasons (with runs to both the Playoffs and the Fiesta Bowel) with a 6'4" 216 pound N'Keal Harry on the team.
We? got Byron Murphy but were unable to lock down his best friend Harry. While Ross and Dante were lighting it up in 2016, Harry would have been getting valuable playing time as a Freshman as a Day 1 physical force. In 2017, Harry would have made an elite pairing with Dante that would have allowed Fuller/Pounds/Baccellia to figure out who is the #3 WR. Going into 2018, instead of zero fucking clue who is going to emerge at WR, you'd have a grown ass man Harry as a JR who is he best WR in the league and can figure out who's going to jump into that #2 and #3 spot between Jones/Fuller/etc.
Ngata is that kind of dominant WR. The pain from losing Ngata comes from the lack of an absolute physical dominance. A 3 year starter then guaranteed early NFL entrant. Jones, Bynum, Cook, Spiker, Osborne should all be good WR. But it will be critical to get Ngata to flip back to UW so that those other WR can be Elite #2 and #3 WR's that pair with the physical presence of Ngata.
If you can't see that, there's Ngata fucking thing I can do to help you.
Yes, getting N'keal Harry would have been huge because of the the JAGs we've had to deal with at WR the past couple years outside of Ross and Pettis. But, the comparison to Joe Ngata potentially coming to UW now and Harry back then is apples to oranges. Yes, Ngata is a freak but if he comes to UW the JAGs will be on their way out the door and he'll be competing for playing time against other stud WRs who will have a leg up on him in terms of knowledge of the system and experience. Ngata would not have the early impact on the team that Harry would have because the WR depth and overall talent when Ngata would arrive will be far better than it was back then.
He was elite at jump balls. He doesn't really look quick twitch of fast to me though. I really doubt he runs a 4.5 and he didn't look all that physical to me.
Ngata looks like a physical force like Reggie Williams who can take a slant to the house after breaking a tackle. That's not Jones and I doubt it ever will be.
That said, John Ross flashed a little his freshman year but wasn't a huge factor. String had the one game against UCLA, but that was it.
LIPO, but Ngata looks like a different beast than anyone we have. I can also see us being pretty happy with the WR core we already have a year from now. -
A year from now was key....
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Jones said in a Spring ball interview that he's gotten faster and has lowered his 40 time from a 4.6 to a 4.5. He will be a stud for us. I understand Ngata is a rare talent and would be our most talented WR if he flips to UW but people need to stop acting like the more talented WR's we already have on the roster and Taj Davis in this class are chopped liver in comparison. They're not.RoadDawg55 said:
I think Jones will be pretty good, but he was also overrated as a recruit by us here on the boards.StrongArmCobra said:
Ty Jones is 6'4 215 with 4.5 speed and a 40 inch vert. Who's to say he won't become our version of N'keal Harry?DoogCourics said:What everyone missed this last week due to the Teq v. Ballz/Roof retard fest, was that the pain from losing Ngata isn't because we'll? go get JAGs to fill the class at WR. Nor does it matter that his spot can be used to grab another guy on the lines. It also doesn't matter that we? can miss on him because the last two classes were really solid at WR and we? can take the blow.
All it takes to understand why losing Ngata is crippling is to imagine the last two UW seasons (with runs to both the Playoffs and the Fiesta Bowel) with a 6'4" 216 pound N'Keal Harry on the team.
We? got Byron Murphy but were unable to lock down his best friend Harry. While Ross and Dante were lighting it up in 2016, Harry would have been getting valuable playing time as a Freshman as a Day 1 physical force. In 2017, Harry would have made an elite pairing with Dante that would have allowed Fuller/Pounds/Baccellia to figure out who is the #3 WR. Going into 2018, instead of zero fucking clue who is going to emerge at WR, you'd have a grown ass man Harry as a JR who is he best WR in the league and can figure out who's going to jump into that #2 and #3 spot between Jones/Fuller/etc.
Ngata is that kind of dominant WR. The pain from losing Ngata comes from the lack of an absolute physical dominance. A 3 year starter then guaranteed early NFL entrant. Jones, Bynum, Cook, Spiker, Osborne should all be good WR. But it will be critical to get Ngata to flip back to UW so that those other WR can be Elite #2 and #3 WR's that pair with the physical presence of Ngata.
If you can't see that, there's Ngata fucking thing I can do to help you.
Yes, getting N'keal Harry would have been huge because of the the JAGs we've had to deal with at WR the past couple years outside of Ross and Pettis. But, the comparison to Joe Ngata potentially coming to UW now and Harry back then is apples to oranges. Yes, Ngata is a freak but if he comes to UW the JAGs will be on their way out the door and he'll be competing for playing time against other stud WRs who will have a leg up on him in terms of knowledge of the system and experience. Ngata would not have the early impact on the team that Harry would have because the WR depth and overall talent when Ngata would arrive will be far better than it was back then.
He was elite at jump balls. He doesn't really look quick twitch of fat to me though. I really doubt he runs a 4.5 and he didn't look all that physical to me.
Ngata looks like a physical force like Reggie Williams who can take a slant to the house after breaking a tackle. That's not Jones and I doubt it ever will be.
That said, John Ross flashed a little his freshman year but wasn't a huge factor. String had the one game against UCLA, but that was it.
LIPO, but Ngata looks like a different beast than anyone we have. I can also see us being pretty happy with the WR core we already have a year from now. -
I can't believe I've been up voting Teq in the recroot bored.
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Dumb minds think alike.AZDuck said:I can't believe I've been up voting Teq in the recroot bored.
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This. Ty Jones was a very good recruit with a ton of upside. Joe Ngata is simply on another level. I didn't expect much out of Jones as a true frosh. I would expect Ngata to be a game changer as a freshman.RoadDawg55 said:
I think Jones will be pretty good, but he was also overrated as a recruit by us here on the boards.StrongArmCobra said:
Ty Jones is 6'4 215 with 4.5 speed and a 40 inch vert. Who's to say he won't become our version of N'keal Harry?DoogCourics said:What everyone missed this last week due to the Teq v. Ballz/Roof retard fest, was that the pain from losing Ngata isn't because we'll? go get JAGs to fill the class at WR. Nor does it matter that his spot can be used to grab another guy on the lines. It also doesn't matter that we? can miss on him because the last two classes were really solid at WR and we? can take the blow.
All it takes to understand why losing Ngata is crippling is to imagine the last two UW seasons (with runs to both the Playoffs and the Fiesta Bowel) with a 6'4" 216 pound N'Keal Harry on the team.
We? got Byron Murphy but were unable to lock down his best friend Harry. While Ross and Dante were lighting it up in 2016, Harry would have been getting valuable playing time as a Freshman as a Day 1 physical force. In 2017, Harry would have made an elite pairing with Dante that would have allowed Fuller/Pounds/Baccellia to figure out who is the #3 WR. Going into 2018, instead of zero fucking clue who is going to emerge at WR, you'd have a grown ass man Harry as a JR who is he best WR in the league and can figure out who's going to jump into that #2 and #3 spot between Jones/Fuller/etc.
Ngata is that kind of dominant WR. The pain from losing Ngata comes from the lack of an absolute physical dominance. A 3 year starter then guaranteed early NFL entrant. Jones, Bynum, Cook, Spiker, Osborne should all be good WR. But it will be critical to get Ngata to flip back to UW so that those other WR can be Elite #2 and #3 WR's that pair with the physical presence of Ngata.
If you can't see that, there's Ngata fucking thing I can do to help you.
Yes, getting N'keal Harry would have been huge because of the the JAGs we've had to deal with at WR the past couple years outside of Ross and Pettis. But, the comparison to Joe Ngata potentially coming to UW now and Harry back then is apples to oranges. Yes, Ngata is a freak but if he comes to UW the JAGs will be on their way out the door and he'll be competing for playing time against other stud WRs who will have a leg up on him in terms of knowledge of the system and experience. Ngata would not have the early impact on the team that Harry would have because the WR depth and overall talent when Ngata would arrive will be far better than it was back then.
He was elite at jump balls. He doesn't really look quick twitch of fast to me though. I really doubt he runs a 4.5 and he didn't look all that physical to me.
Ngata looks like a physical force like Reggie Williams who can take a slant to the house after breaking a tackle. That's not Jones and I doubt it ever will be.
That said, John Ross flashed a little his freshman year but wasn't a huge factor. String had the one game against UCLA, but that was it.
LIPO, but Ngata looks like a different beast than anyone we have. I can also see us being pretty happy with the WR core we already have a year from now. -
For other teams with a simple offense he could be. But for UW, Ngata would not be a true Freshman game changer. More of a rotational guy.bananasnblondes said:
This. Ty Jones was a very good recruit with a ton of upside. Joe Ngata is simply on another level. I didn't expect much out of Jones as a true frosh. I would expect Ngata to be a game changer as a freshman.RoadDawg55 said:
I think Jones will be pretty good, but he was also overrated as a recruit by us here on the boards.StrongArmCobra said:
Ty Jones is 6'4 215 with 4.5 speed and a 40 inch vert. Who's to say he won't become our version of N'keal Harry?DoogCourics said:What everyone missed this last week due to the Teq v. Ballz/Roof retard fest, was that the pain from losing Ngata isn't because we'll? go get JAGs to fill the class at WR. Nor does it matter that his spot can be used to grab another guy on the lines. It also doesn't matter that we? can miss on him because the last two classes were really solid at WR and we? can take the blow.
All it takes to understand why losing Ngata is crippling is to imagine the last two UW seasons (with runs to both the Playoffs and the Fiesta Bowel) with a 6'4" 216 pound N'Keal Harry on the team.
We? got Byron Murphy but were unable to lock down his best friend Harry. While Ross and Dante were lighting it up in 2016, Harry would have been getting valuable playing time as a Freshman as a Day 1 physical force. In 2017, Harry would have made an elite pairing with Dante that would have allowed Fuller/Pounds/Baccellia to figure out who is the #3 WR. Going into 2018, instead of zero fucking clue who is going to emerge at WR, you'd have a grown ass man Harry as a JR who is he best WR in the league and can figure out who's going to jump into that #2 and #3 spot between Jones/Fuller/etc.
Ngata is that kind of dominant WR. The pain from losing Ngata comes from the lack of an absolute physical dominance. A 3 year starter then guaranteed early NFL entrant. Jones, Bynum, Cook, Spiker, Osborne should all be good WR. But it will be critical to get Ngata to flip back to UW so that those other WR can be Elite #2 and #3 WR's that pair with the physical presence of Ngata.
If you can't see that, there's Ngata fucking thing I can do to help you.
Yes, getting N'keal Harry would have been huge because of the the JAGs we've had to deal with at WR the past couple years outside of Ross and Pettis. But, the comparison to Joe Ngata potentially coming to UW now and Harry back then is apples to oranges. Yes, Ngata is a freak but if he comes to UW the JAGs will be on their way out the door and he'll be competing for playing time against other stud WRs who will have a leg up on him in terms of knowledge of the system and experience. Ngata would not have the early impact on the team that Harry would have because the WR depth and overall talent when Ngata would arrive will be far better than it was back then.
He was elite at jump balls. He doesn't really look quick twitch of fast to me though. I really doubt he runs a 4.5 and he didn't look all that physical to me.
Ngata looks like a physical force like Reggie Williams who can take a slant to the house after breaking a tackle. That's not Jones and I doubt it ever will be.
That said, John Ross flashed a little his freshman year but wasn't a huge factor. String had the one game against UCLA, but that was it.
LIPO, but Ngata looks like a different beast than anyone we have. I can also see us being pretty happy with the WR core we already have a year from now. -
StrongArmCobra said:
For other teams with a simple offense he could be. But for UW, Ngata would not be a true Freshman game changer. More of a rotational guy.bananasnblondes said:
This. Ty Jones was a very good recruit with a ton of upside. Joe Ngata is simply on another level. I didn't expect much out of Jones as a true frosh. I would expect Ngata to be a game changer as a freshman.RoadDawg55 said:
I think Jones will be pretty good, but he was also overrated as a recruit by us here on the boards.StrongArmCobra said:
Ty Jones is 6'4 215 with 4.5 speed and a 40 inch vert. Who's to say he won't become our version of N'keal Harry?DoogCourics said:What everyone missed this last week due to the Teq v. Ballz/Roof retard fest, was that the pain from losing Ngata isn't because we'll? go get JAGs to fill the class at WR. Nor does it matter that his spot can be used to grab another guy on the lines. It also doesn't matter that we? can miss on him because the last two classes were really solid at WR and we? can take the blow.
All it takes to understand why losing Ngata is crippling is to imagine the last two UW seasons (with runs to both the Playoffs and the Fiesta Bowel) with a 6'4" 216 pound N'Keal Harry on the team.
We? got Byron Murphy but were unable to lock down his best friend Harry. While Ross and Dante were lighting it up in 2016, Harry would have been getting valuable playing time as a Freshman as a Day 1 physical force. In 2017, Harry would have made an elite pairing with Dante that would have allowed Fuller/Pounds/Baccellia to figure out who is the #3 WR. Going into 2018, instead of zero fucking clue who is going to emerge at WR, you'd have a grown ass man Harry as a JR who is he best WR in the league and can figure out who's going to jump into that #2 and #3 spot between Jones/Fuller/etc.
Ngata is that kind of dominant WR. The pain from losing Ngata comes from the lack of an absolute physical dominance. A 3 year starter then guaranteed early NFL entrant. Jones, Bynum, Cook, Spiker, Osborne should all be good WR. But it will be critical to get Ngata to flip back to UW so that those other WR can be Elite #2 and #3 WR's that pair with the physical presence of Ngata.
If you can't see that, there's Ngata fucking thing I can do to help you.
Yes, getting N'keal Harry would have been huge because of the the JAGs we've had to deal with at WR the past couple years outside of Ross and Pettis. But, the comparison to Joe Ngata potentially coming to UW now and Harry back then is apples to oranges. Yes, Ngata is a freak but if he comes to UW the JAGs will be on their way out the door and he'll be competing for playing time against other stud WRs who will have a leg up on him in terms of knowledge of the system and experience. Ngata would not have the early impact on the team that Harry would have because the WR depth and overall talent when Ngata would arrive will be far better than it was back then.
He was elite at jump balls. He doesn't really look quick twitch of fast to me though. I really doubt he runs a 4.5 and he didn't look all that physical to me.
Ngata looks like a physical force like Reggie Williams who can take a slant to the house after breaking a tackle. That's not Jones and I doubt it ever will be.
That said, John Ross flashed a little his freshman year but wasn't a huge factor. String had the one game against UCLA, but that was it.
LIPO, but Ngata looks like a different beast than anyone we have. I can also see us being pretty happy with the WR core we already have a year from now.
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Drunk.Posting.Rules.Nurple said:WR gonna kill Sherman this year
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He wouldn't start at UW as true Freshman. Our offense is too complicated. This has been covered already. Not even worth arguing anymore. He's not coming here. But UW will continue to slaughter Oregon regardless.AZDuck said:StrongArmCobra said:
For other teams with a simple offense he could be. But for UW, Ngata would not be a true Freshman game changer. More of a rotational guy.bananasnblondes said:
This. Ty Jones was a very good recruit with a ton of upside. Joe Ngata is simply on another level. I didn't expect much out of Jones as a true frosh. I would expect Ngata to be a game changer as a freshman.RoadDawg55 said:
I think Jones will be pretty good, but he was also overrated as a recruit by us here on the boards.StrongArmCobra said:
Ty Jones is 6'4 215 with 4.5 speed and a 40 inch vert. Who's to say he won't become our version of N'keal Harry?DoogCourics said:What everyone missed this last week due to the Teq v. Ballz/Roof retard fest, was that the pain from losing Ngata isn't because we'll? go get JAGs to fill the class at WR. Nor does it matter that his spot can be used to grab another guy on the lines. It also doesn't matter that we? can miss on him because the last two classes were really solid at WR and we? can take the blow.
All it takes to understand why losing Ngata is crippling is to imagine the last two UW seasons (with runs to both the Playoffs and the Fiesta Bowel) with a 6'4" 216 pound N'Keal Harry on the team.
We? got Byron Murphy but were unable to lock down his best friend Harry. While Ross and Dante were lighting it up in 2016, Harry would have been getting valuable playing time as a Freshman as a Day 1 physical force. In 2017, Harry would have made an elite pairing with Dante that would have allowed Fuller/Pounds/Baccellia to figure out who is the #3 WR. Going into 2018, instead of zero fucking clue who is going to emerge at WR, you'd have a grown ass man Harry as a JR who is he best WR in the league and can figure out who's going to jump into that #2 and #3 spot between Jones/Fuller/etc.
Ngata is that kind of dominant WR. The pain from losing Ngata comes from the lack of an absolute physical dominance. A 3 year starter then guaranteed early NFL entrant. Jones, Bynum, Cook, Spiker, Osborne should all be good WR. But it will be critical to get Ngata to flip back to UW so that those other WR can be Elite #2 and #3 WR's that pair with the physical presence of Ngata.
If you can't see that, there's Ngata fucking thing I can do to help you.
Yes, getting N'keal Harry would have been huge because of the the JAGs we've had to deal with at WR the past couple years outside of Ross and Pettis. But, the comparison to Joe Ngata potentially coming to UW now and Harry back then is apples to oranges. Yes, Ngata is a freak but if he comes to UW the JAGs will be on their way out the door and he'll be competing for playing time against other stud WRs who will have a leg up on him in terms of knowledge of the system and experience. Ngata would not have the early impact on the team that Harry would have because the WR depth and overall talent when Ngata would arrive will be far better than it was back then.
He was elite at jump balls. He doesn't really look quick twitch of fast to me though. I really doubt he runs a 4.5 and he didn't look all that physical to me.
Ngata looks like a physical force like Reggie Williams who can take a slant to the house after breaking a tackle. That's not Jones and I doubt it ever will be.
That said, John Ross flashed a little his freshman year but wasn't a huge factor. String had the one game against UCLA, but that was it.
LIPO, but Ngata looks like a different beast than anyone we have. I can also see us being pretty happy with the WR core we already have a year from now. -
As much shit as Ruth rightfully takes, this is probably true. It's not that Ngata isn't a great recruit, he is, but these guys take time and need to be developed. They shouldn't be seen as saviors.StrongArmCobra said:
He wouldn't start at UW as true Freshman. Our offense is too complicated. This has been covered already. Not even worth arguing anymore. He's not coming here. But UW will continue to slaughter Oregon regardless.AZDuck said:StrongArmCobra said:
For other teams with a simple offense he could be. But for UW, Ngata would not be a true Freshman game changer. More of a rotational guy.bananasnblondes said:
This. Ty Jones was a very good recruit with a ton of upside. Joe Ngata is simply on another level. I didn't expect much out of Jones as a true frosh. I would expect Ngata to be a game changer as a freshman.RoadDawg55 said:
I think Jones will be pretty good, but he was also overrated as a recruit by us here on the boards.StrongArmCobra said:
Ty Jones is 6'4 215 with 4.5 speed and a 40 inch vert. Who's to say he won't become our version of N'keal Harry?DoogCourics said:What everyone missed this last week due to the Teq v. Ballz/Roof retard fest, was that the pain from losing Ngata isn't because we'll? go get JAGs to fill the class at WR. Nor does it matter that his spot can be used to grab another guy on the lines. It also doesn't matter that we? can miss on him because the last two classes were really solid at WR and we? can take the blow.
All it takes to understand why losing Ngata is crippling is to imagine the last two UW seasons (with runs to both the Playoffs and the Fiesta Bowel) with a 6'4" 216 pound N'Keal Harry on the team.
We? got Byron Murphy but were unable to lock down his best friend Harry. While Ross and Dante were lighting it up in 2016, Harry would have been getting valuable playing time as a Freshman as a Day 1 physical force. In 2017, Harry would have made an elite pairing with Dante that would have allowed Fuller/Pounds/Baccellia to figure out who is the #3 WR. Going into 2018, instead of zero fucking clue who is going to emerge at WR, you'd have a grown ass man Harry as a JR who is he best WR in the league and can figure out who's going to jump into that #2 and #3 spot between Jones/Fuller/etc.
Ngata is that kind of dominant WR. The pain from losing Ngata comes from the lack of an absolute physical dominance. A 3 year starter then guaranteed early NFL entrant. Jones, Bynum, Cook, Spiker, Osborne should all be good WR. But it will be critical to get Ngata to flip back to UW so that those other WR can be Elite #2 and #3 WR's that pair with the physical presence of Ngata.
If you can't see that, there's Ngata fucking thing I can do to help you.
Yes, getting N'keal Harry would have been huge because of the the JAGs we've had to deal with at WR the past couple years outside of Ross and Pettis. But, the comparison to Joe Ngata potentially coming to UW now and Harry back then is apples to oranges. Yes, Ngata is a freak but if he comes to UW the JAGs will be on their way out the door and he'll be competing for playing time against other stud WRs who will have a leg up on him in terms of knowledge of the system and experience. Ngata would not have the early impact on the team that Harry would have because the WR depth and overall talent when Ngata would arrive will be far better than it was back then.
He was elite at jump balls. He doesn't really look quick twitch of fast to me though. I really doubt he runs a 4.5 and he didn't look all that physical to me.
Ngata looks like a physical force like Reggie Williams who can take a slant to the house after breaking a tackle. That's not Jones and I doubt it ever will be.
That said, John Ross flashed a little his freshman year but wasn't a huge factor. String had the one game against UCLA, but that was it.
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Aaron Fuller started as a freshman. No reason why Ngata wouldn't start as a freshman.StrongArmCobra said:
He wouldn't start at UW as true Freshman. Our offense is too complicated. This has been covered already. Not even worth arguing anymore. He's not coming here. But UW will continue to slaughter Oregon regardless.AZDuck said:StrongArmCobra said:
For other teams with a simple offense he could be. But for UW, Ngata would not be a true Freshman game changer. More of a rotational guy.bananasnblondes said:
This. Ty Jones was a very good recruit with a ton of upside. Joe Ngata is simply on another level. I didn't expect much out of Jones as a true frosh. I would expect Ngata to be a game changer as a freshman.RoadDawg55 said:
I think Jones will be pretty good, but he was also overrated as a recruit by us here on the boards.StrongArmCobra said:
Ty Jones is 6'4 215 with 4.5 speed and a 40 inch vert. Who's to say he won't become our version of N'keal Harry?DoogCourics said:What everyone missed this last week due to the Teq v. Ballz/Roof retard fest, was that the pain from losing Ngata isn't because we'll? go get JAGs to fill the class at WR. Nor does it matter that his spot can be used to grab another guy on the lines. It also doesn't matter that we? can miss on him because the last two classes were really solid at WR and we? can take the blow.
All it takes to understand why losing Ngata is crippling is to imagine the last two UW seasons (with runs to both the Playoffs and the Fiesta Bowel) with a 6'4" 216 pound N'Keal Harry on the team.
We? got Byron Murphy but were unable to lock down his best friend Harry. While Ross and Dante were lighting it up in 2016, Harry would have been getting valuable playing time as a Freshman as a Day 1 physical force. In 2017, Harry would have made an elite pairing with Dante that would have allowed Fuller/Pounds/Baccellia to figure out who is the #3 WR. Going into 2018, instead of zero fucking clue who is going to emerge at WR, you'd have a grown ass man Harry as a JR who is he best WR in the league and can figure out who's going to jump into that #2 and #3 spot between Jones/Fuller/etc.
Ngata is that kind of dominant WR. The pain from losing Ngata comes from the lack of an absolute physical dominance. A 3 year starter then guaranteed early NFL entrant. Jones, Bynum, Cook, Spiker, Osborne should all be good WR. But it will be critical to get Ngata to flip back to UW so that those other WR can be Elite #2 and #3 WR's that pair with the physical presence of Ngata.
If you can't see that, there's Ngata fucking thing I can do to help you.
Yes, getting N'keal Harry would have been huge because of the the JAGs we've had to deal with at WR the past couple years outside of Ross and Pettis. But, the comparison to Joe Ngata potentially coming to UW now and Harry back then is apples to oranges. Yes, Ngata is a freak but if he comes to UW the JAGs will be on their way out the door and he'll be competing for playing time against other stud WRs who will have a leg up on him in terms of knowledge of the system and experience. Ngata would not have the early impact on the team that Harry would have because the WR depth and overall talent when Ngata would arrive will be far better than it was back then.
He was elite at jump balls. He doesn't really look quick twitch of fast to me though. I really doubt he runs a 4.5 and he didn't look all that physical to me.
Ngata looks like a physical force like Reggie Williams who can take a slant to the house after breaking a tackle. That's not Jones and I doubt it ever will be.
That said, John Ross flashed a little his freshman year but wasn't a huge factor. String had the one game against UCLA, but that was it.
LIPO, but Ngata looks like a different beast than anyone we have. I can also see us being pretty happy with the WR core we already have a year from now. -
Ummmm Ross and Pettis were the starters and if you want to go three wide McClatcher was the slot.whatshouldicareabout said:
Aaron Fuller started as a freshman. No reason why Ngata wouldn't start as a freshman.StrongArmCobra said:
He wouldn't start at UW as true Freshman. Our offense is too complicated. This has been covered already. Not even worth arguing anymore. He's not coming here. But UW will continue to slaughter Oregon regardless.AZDuck said:StrongArmCobra said:
For other teams with a simple offense he could be. But for UW, Ngata would not be a true Freshman game changer. More of a rotational guy.bananasnblondes said:
This. Ty Jones was a very good recruit with a ton of upside. Joe Ngata is simply on another level. I didn't expect much out of Jones as a true frosh. I would expect Ngata to be a game changer as a freshman.RoadDawg55 said:
I think Jones will be pretty good, but he was also overrated as a recruit by us here on the boards.StrongArmCobra said:
Ty Jones is 6'4 215 with 4.5 speed and a 40 inch vert. Who's to say he won't become our version of N'keal Harry?DoogCourics said:What everyone missed this last week due to the Teq v. Ballz/Roof retard fest, was that the pain from losing Ngata isn't because we'll? go get JAGs to fill the class at WR. Nor does it matter that his spot can be used to grab another guy on the lines. It also doesn't matter that we? can miss on him because the last two classes were really solid at WR and we? can take the blow.
All it takes to understand why losing Ngata is crippling is to imagine the last two UW seasons (with runs to both the Playoffs and the Fiesta Bowel) with a 6'4" 216 pound N'Keal Harry on the team.
We? got Byron Murphy but were unable to lock down his best friend Harry. While Ross and Dante were lighting it up in 2016, Harry would have been getting valuable playing time as a Freshman as a Day 1 physical force. In 2017, Harry would have made an elite pairing with Dante that would have allowed Fuller/Pounds/Baccellia to figure out who is the #3 WR. Going into 2018, instead of zero fucking clue who is going to emerge at WR, you'd have a grown ass man Harry as a JR who is he best WR in the league and can figure out who's going to jump into that #2 and #3 spot between Jones/Fuller/etc.
Ngata is that kind of dominant WR. The pain from losing Ngata comes from the lack of an absolute physical dominance. A 3 year starter then guaranteed early NFL entrant. Jones, Bynum, Cook, Spiker, Osborne should all be good WR. But it will be critical to get Ngata to flip back to UW so that those other WR can be Elite #2 and #3 WR's that pair with the physical presence of Ngata.
If you can't see that, there's Ngata fucking thing I can do to help you.
Yes, getting N'keal Harry would have been huge because of the the JAGs we've had to deal with at WR the past couple years outside of Ross and Pettis. But, the comparison to Joe Ngata potentially coming to UW now and Harry back then is apples to oranges. Yes, Ngata is a freak but if he comes to UW the JAGs will be on their way out the door and he'll be competing for playing time against other stud WRs who will have a leg up on him in terms of knowledge of the system and experience. Ngata would not have the early impact on the team that Harry would have because the WR depth and overall talent when Ngata would arrive will be far better than it was back then.
He was elite at jump balls. He doesn't really look quick twitch of fast to me though. I really doubt he runs a 4.5 and he didn't look all that physical to me.
Ngata looks like a physical force like Reggie Williams who can take a slant to the house after breaking a tackle. That's not Jones and I doubt it ever will be.
That said, John Ross flashed a little his freshman year but wasn't a huge factor. String had the one game against UCLA, but that was it.
LIPO, but Ngata looks like a different beast than anyone we have. I can also see us being pretty happy with the WR core we already have a year from now. -
Doogs hate facts.dnc said:
Ummmm Ross and Pettis were the starters and if you want to go three wide McClatcher was the slot.whatshouldicareabout said:
Aaron Fuller started as a freshman. No reason why Ngata wouldn't start as a freshman.StrongArmCobra said:
He wouldn't start at UW as true Freshman. Our offense is too complicated. This has been covered already. Not even worth arguing anymore. He's not coming here. But UW will continue to slaughter Oregon regardless.AZDuck said:StrongArmCobra said:
For other teams with a simple offense he could be. But for UW, Ngata would not be a true Freshman game changer. More of a rotational guy.bananasnblondes said:
This. Ty Jones was a very good recruit with a ton of upside. Joe Ngata is simply on another level. I didn't expect much out of Jones as a true frosh. I would expect Ngata to be a game changer as a freshman.RoadDawg55 said:
I think Jones will be pretty good, but he was also overrated as a recruit by us here on the boards.StrongArmCobra said:
Ty Jones is 6'4 215 with 4.5 speed and a 40 inch vert. Who's to say he won't become our version of N'keal Harry?DoogCourics said:What everyone missed this last week due to the Teq v. Ballz/Roof retard fest, was that the pain from losing Ngata isn't because we'll? go get JAGs to fill the class at WR. Nor does it matter that his spot can be used to grab another guy on the lines. It also doesn't matter that we? can miss on him because the last two classes were really solid at WR and we? can take the blow.
All it takes to understand why losing Ngata is crippling is to imagine the last two UW seasons (with runs to both the Playoffs and the Fiesta Bowel) with a 6'4" 216 pound N'Keal Harry on the team.
We? got Byron Murphy but were unable to lock down his best friend Harry. While Ross and Dante were lighting it up in 2016, Harry would have been getting valuable playing time as a Freshman as a Day 1 physical force. In 2017, Harry would have made an elite pairing with Dante that would have allowed Fuller/Pounds/Baccellia to figure out who is the #3 WR. Going into 2018, instead of zero fucking clue who is going to emerge at WR, you'd have a grown ass man Harry as a JR who is he best WR in the league and can figure out who's going to jump into that #2 and #3 spot between Jones/Fuller/etc.
Ngata is that kind of dominant WR. The pain from losing Ngata comes from the lack of an absolute physical dominance. A 3 year starter then guaranteed early NFL entrant. Jones, Bynum, Cook, Spiker, Osborne should all be good WR. But it will be critical to get Ngata to flip back to UW so that those other WR can be Elite #2 and #3 WR's that pair with the physical presence of Ngata.
If you can't see that, there's Ngata fucking thing I can do to help you.
Yes, getting N'keal Harry would have been huge because of the the JAGs we've had to deal with at WR the past couple years outside of Ross and Pettis. But, the comparison to Joe Ngata potentially coming to UW now and Harry back then is apples to oranges. Yes, Ngata is a freak but if he comes to UW the JAGs will be on their way out the door and he'll be competing for playing time against other stud WRs who will have a leg up on him in terms of knowledge of the system and experience. Ngata would not have the early impact on the team that Harry would have because the WR depth and overall talent when Ngata would arrive will be far better than it was back then.
He was elite at jump balls. He doesn't really look quick twitch of fast to me though. I really doubt he runs a 4.5 and he didn't look all that physical to me.
Ngata looks like a physical force like Reggie Williams who can take a slant to the house after breaking a tackle. That's not Jones and I doubt it ever will be.
That said, John Ross flashed a little his freshman year but wasn't a huge factor. String had the one game against UCLA, but that was it.
LIPO, but Ngata looks like a different beast than anyone we have. I can also see us being pretty happy with the WR core we already have a year from now.
"2016: Played in all 14 games of his true freshman season, starting four times"
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Started four times is a lot different than being the starter. So he was in on the opening formation a couple times. There's no way he played close to starter minutes.whatshouldicareabout said:
Doogs hate facts.dnc said:
Ummmm Ross and Pettis were the starters and if you want to go three wide McClatcher was the slot.whatshouldicareabout said:
Aaron Fuller started as a freshman. No reason why Ngata wouldn't start as a freshman.StrongArmCobra said:
He wouldn't start at UW as true Freshman. Our offense is too complicated. This has been covered already. Not even worth arguing anymore. He's not coming here. But UW will continue to slaughter Oregon regardless.AZDuck said:StrongArmCobra said:
For other teams with a simple offense he could be. But for UW, Ngata would not be a true Freshman game changer. More of a rotational guy.bananasnblondes said:
This. Ty Jones was a very good recruit with a ton of upside. Joe Ngata is simply on another level. I didn't expect much out of Jones as a true frosh. I would expect Ngata to be a game changer as a freshman.RoadDawg55 said:
I think Jones will be pretty good, but he was also overrated as a recruit by us here on the boards.StrongArmCobra said:
Ty Jones is 6'4 215 with 4.5 speed and a 40 inch vert. Who's to say he won't become our version of N'keal Harry?DoogCourics said:What everyone missed this last week due to the Teq v. Ballz/Roof retard fest, was that the pain from losing Ngata isn't because we'll? go get JAGs to fill the class at WR. Nor does it matter that his spot can be used to grab another guy on the lines. It also doesn't matter that we? can miss on him because the last two classes were really solid at WR and we? can take the blow.
All it takes to understand why losing Ngata is crippling is to imagine the last two UW seasons (with runs to both the Playoffs and the Fiesta Bowel) with a 6'4" 216 pound N'Keal Harry on the team.
We? got Byron Murphy but were unable to lock down his best friend Harry. While Ross and Dante were lighting it up in 2016, Harry would have been getting valuable playing time as a Freshman as a Day 1 physical force. In 2017, Harry would have made an elite pairing with Dante that would have allowed Fuller/Pounds/Baccellia to figure out who is the #3 WR. Going into 2018, instead of zero fucking clue who is going to emerge at WR, you'd have a grown ass man Harry as a JR who is he best WR in the league and can figure out who's going to jump into that #2 and #3 spot between Jones/Fuller/etc.
Ngata is that kind of dominant WR. The pain from losing Ngata comes from the lack of an absolute physical dominance. A 3 year starter then guaranteed early NFL entrant. Jones, Bynum, Cook, Spiker, Osborne should all be good WR. But it will be critical to get Ngata to flip back to UW so that those other WR can be Elite #2 and #3 WR's that pair with the physical presence of Ngata.
If you can't see that, there's Ngata fucking thing I can do to help you.
Yes, getting N'keal Harry would have been huge because of the the JAGs we've had to deal with at WR the past couple years outside of Ross and Pettis. But, the comparison to Joe Ngata potentially coming to UW now and Harry back then is apples to oranges. Yes, Ngata is a freak but if he comes to UW the JAGs will be on their way out the door and he'll be competing for playing time against other stud WRs who will have a leg up on him in terms of knowledge of the system and experience. Ngata would not have the early impact on the team that Harry would have because the WR depth and overall talent when Ngata would arrive will be far better than it was back then.
He was elite at jump balls. He doesn't really look quick twitch of fast to me though. I really doubt he runs a 4.5 and he didn't look all that physical to me.
Ngata looks like a physical force like Reggie Williams who can take a slant to the house after breaking a tackle. That's not Jones and I doubt it ever will be.
That said, John Ross flashed a little his freshman year but wasn't a huge factor. String had the one game against UCLA, but that was it.
LIPO, but Ngata looks like a different beast than anyone we have. I can also see us being pretty happy with the WR core we already have a year from now.
"2016: Played in all 14 games of his true freshman season, starting four times"
https://gohuskies.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4890
But if you're point is Ngata could go in for a play or two at the beginning of a handful of games as true frosh, sure.gif
