Question for the Broad: New Redshirt Rules
You could either do it in one of two ways. Do you play the freshman in the 4 easiest games that are blowouts and there is no risk in losing the game (North Dakota, BYU, Oregon State, Wazzu)? This strategy has the least amount of risk and is probably the ideal situation. But we don't always live in an ideal world, so do you wait until the middle/end of the season in case there are injuries to starters and you need to sprinkle in freshman for depth? Had this rule been in place in 2014, we would have seen Greg Gaines in 2014, as he was 2nd string DT before the Hawaii game but ended up redshirting so we could use him in 2018 (thank God for that). This strategy carries much more risk but it addresses a gap should injuries play a factor, especially when you have a highly talented true freshman that may perform better than 2nd or 3rd team.
Which leads to another factor to consider, is that redshirt freshman and sophomores also struggle to find playing time, even when we have blowouts. For example, when looking at DL, Scrempos, Rice, and Sterk played in 3, 3, and 0 games respectively in 2017. Is part of the new redshirt strategy to prioritize mop-up duty to highly talented freshman over others?
Question time: what do you think is the best way to maximize the new redshirting rule or how do you hope Petersen and staff use it in 2018?
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I know you can have 85 schollys but how many can you suit up as active for each gayme?
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You know, I think there still needs to be a little bit of strategy behind this. Because, you know... you only get 4 games. You use em all early, is that the best thing? And what if you get an injury at the QB position late, and now this guy really has to do something and you only used him in 4 games, he can still redshirt. We are still trying to figure out the best thing. And we won't know until we see how ready a guy is to play. There is going to be some freshman that we are like he is playing. Were not worried about 4 games, this guys going. And there will be other guys, where well say this guy is definitely going to redshirt. But this can change when we go deep into the season with injuries and different things. The guy continues to develop. Hey, let's get this guy in the game, you know. It's not going to cost him any. And it's o nice. I wish we had 5 years of elogibility.. I really wish, i dont know why we are doing 4 games.. whatever... But that does help. Cause I've been in a situation. In a bowl where its like: we either gonna put a true freshman over their at corner, with one more injury. Or I'm gonna put a running back over there, who has never ever lined up on defense to cover this guy. And obviously I was gonna put the running back over there rather then burn a kids year. I've been in that situation where it almost came to that. So if we get to that situation where some kid you are planning on redshirting super late in the season. You know you dont have to waste his year for one game.
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It used to be 60 for the home team and 55 could travel back when football was tuff!salemcoog said:I know you can have 85 schollys but how many can you suit up as active for each gayme?
Today I believe you can dress as many as you want but only 80 can play and you can only travel 70. -
All variables considered, you play the player that gives you the best chance to win.
It's like if Locker played after Stanback went down.That team makes a bowl game.
Let's say you intend to play a physical/athletic player early but they struggle mightily with the mental side you can back track and no harm no foul.
Or you can play them the rest of the year and play them only 4 the next if they don't get it or get passed up by a phenom.
It's a pretty awesome rule. It's like playing with house money. It will help develop while simultaneously expedite the sold couches of players beyond their depth
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TRIGGEREDDoogles said:All variables considered, you play the player that gives you the best chance to win.
It's like if Locker played after Stanback went down.That team makes a bowl game.
Let's say you intend to play a physical/athletic player early but they struggle mightily with the mental side you can back track and no harm no foul.
Or you can play them the rest of the year and play them only 4 the next if they don't get it or get passed up by a phenom.
It's a pretty awesome rule. It's like playing with house money. It will help develop while simultaneously expedite the sold couches of players beyond their depth -
When was that? Scholarships were unlimited until 1972 when the limit was set at 105 and then it was 95 until the 90s.Mosster47 said:
It used to be 60 for the home team and 55 could travel back when football was tuff!salemcoog said:I know you can have 85 schollys but how many can you suit up as active for each gayme?
Today I believe you can dress as many as you want but only 80 can play and you can only travel 70.
I thought the quooks always complained that DJ was only successful because he coukd take so many players and nobody was left for the ducks. -
I think, overall, you just play your depth chart with a bit of strategy.
I think if you have players that are in your three deeps, but look really promising, you might see what they can do vs North Dakota. These would be like:
Sirmon
Yankoff
Culp
Tuli
Taki
Kaho
Kyler
Dom
Julius
The guys that look really ready, you just continue playing and those that don’t, you save for the end of the season maybe getting them some playing time vs OSU (if we are out of the P12N race) or WSU (if we are in it).
You would assume we’d only continue playing one QB, one DL and one DB unless they are all somehow in the 2-deeps.
But other guys you think are likely to be good enough toward the end of the season, but you’d like to redshirt if possible should probably start up vs Oregon State.
If we are a 1-loss team at that point you would set up for them to start vs a weak opponent like OSU, then they would be eligible for that, the Apple Cup, a P12 championship game and a bowl game.
Those guys would be:
Ozzy
Spiker
Lowe
Curne (possibly)
Bynum (please move him to WTE)
Liu
Tafisi
Sirmon
That basically leaves out Newton, Ale and Mele who probably should not be playing, but plays everyone else.
We really just need one freshman DL to play and then the rest are pretty “bonus” players unless somehow Kaho could unseat BBK.
Last, we have some players that are injured that we might start back vs OSU while preserving a redshirt in Hunter Bryant and Brandon Wellington.
As far as the relevant positions are concerned, I’m assuming the depth with look like this:
QB: Brownie, Haener, Yankoff
X: Ty Jones, QPounds, Spiker
Z: Aaron Fuller, Cook, Chin/Osborne
Y: McClatcher, Baccelia, Bynum, Lowe
TE: Sample, Kizer, Otton, Culp, Neal
DL1: Jaylen, Levi, Tuli/Taki
DL2: Greg, Bowman/Pulu/Scrempos/Bronson
CB1: Murphy, Bryant, Hampton
CB2: Miller, Taylor, Irvin
NICK: Joyner, Molden
SS: Jojo, McKinney
FS: Rapp, Gilchrist/Gordon
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I think you break it into 3 tiers;
True Freshmen who aren't ready physically. These are your guys who in years past would immediately put the RS on upon stepping on campus. Play them in your 4 easiest games (assuming you get up big in each of them) just to give them some garbage time experience.
True Freshmen who may be ready, but due to the depth chart may not see much action. I would play these guys in 1-2 of the easy OOC games for some seasoning to see how they do, then hold on to their last 2-3 games for the later part of the season (when injuries start to add up). That way they can play a couple games in November when depth is needed, without burning their RS.
True Freshmen who are ready to contribute; Play them in every game, as you did in year's past.
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You would only play true freshman who are ready to play if they’re in the two deeps.ntxduck said:I think you break it into 3 tiers;
True Freshmen who aren't ready physically. These are your guys who in years past would immediately put the RS on upon stepping on campus. Play them in your 4 easiest games (assuming you get up big in each of them) just to give them some garbage time experience.
True Freshmen who may be ready, but due to the depth chart may not see much action. I would play these guys in 1-2 of the easy OOC games for some seasoning to see how they do, then hold on to their last 2-3 games for the later part of the season (when injuries start to add up). That way they can play a couple games in November when depth is needed, without burning their RS.
True Freshmen who are ready to contribute; Play them in every game, as you did in year's past.
Outside of that it wastes a year of eligibility. And newsflash to all dawgman subscribers, a minority of people who play as true freshmen go to the draft early.
One of the reasons why, in the past, frosh outside of the two deeps played a lot was because you didn’t want to waste a season. -
So they could conceivably play in the PAC 12 Championship gayme and the Bowel gayme and still redshirt?
Throw in ND State and the Cuog - there ya go!
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Welp you won’t burn their eligibility unless they play in too many games. But I strongly agree that you don’t play guys who you know would redshirt under the old rules. You use it as a reward system for guys,that show out in practice consistently, in the laughers and give them some run. You have a full house of Pete recruits now and each player has a long term plan. If you’re using it to suddenly Sr guys, then you have a problem considering they are all Pete’s. But I don’t see that happening even with BBK. For teams with new coaches, it’s a Godsend however.Dennis_DeYoung said:
You would only play true freshman who are ready to play if they’re in the two deeps.ntxduck said:I think you break it into 3 tiers;
True Freshmen who aren't ready physically. These are your guys who in years past would immediately put the RS on upon stepping on campus. Play them in your 4 easiest games (assuming you get up big in each of them) just to give them some garbage time experience.
True Freshmen who may be ready, but due to the depth chart may not see much action. I would play these guys in 1-2 of the easy OOC games for some seasoning to see how they do, then hold on to their last 2-3 games for the later part of the season (when injuries start to add up). That way they can play a couple games in November when depth is needed, without burning their RS.
True Freshmen who are ready to contribute; Play them in every game, as you did in year's past.
Outside of that it wastes a year of eligibility. And newsflash to all dawgman subscribers, a minority of people who play as true freshmen go to the draft early.
One of the reasons why, in the past, frosh outside of the two deeps played a lot was because you didn’t want to waste a season.
