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  • Dude61
    Dude61 Member Posts: 1,254
    edited July 2018
  • Squirt
    Squirt Member Posts: 485
    Dude61 said:

    Other than indictments that lack any proof for phishing and buying facebook ads, Mueller has been unable to show evidence that the Russians had any effect on the outcome of the election.

    An indictment can be issued only if a grand jury finds evidence that there is probable cause that a crime was committed.
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,545 Founders Club

    HRYK

    Something the democrats told us for about 80 years of communism there

    I just have to say I laugh out loud every time these twinks get all patriotic and shit.

    It's like OBK rooting for WASHINGTON

    In fairness to Trump, the foreign policy establishment has done a shitty jerb vis-a-vis Russia since the 90s. NATO should have never been expanded into any of the former Soviet Republics. Furthermore, we should have just let the Russians have their way with Ukraine. Ukraine has never really been a nation independent from Russia in the first place.
    East Germany disagrees. Also, Ukraine gave up their nukes because of our guarantee of national sovereignty...
    East Germany was not a Soviet Republic. Nor was Poland and the rest of the Warsaw Pact. Satellites yes, but never part of the Soviet Union. Soviets lost the Cold War and rightly we absorbed those countries into NATA.

    Ukraine was an independent country for like a year in 1918- 19, prior to 1992 and has been a part of Russia for many centuries. Nuke deal or not, Ukraine is part of the Russian sphere and not the West, and they are not a hill worth dying for.
    Not worth dying for? Perhaps. Still very sad indictment of western failure to push its frontier. Ukraine could be part of the EU over time, if given the protection, and not forsaken to the clutches of tyranny and despotism. Trump’s fecklessness yesterday signed Ukraine’s death warrant.

    Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are NATO
    Members. We go to war there, correct?
    Yes, the Baltic countries are all NATO and we are treaty bound to defend them.

    The West absorbed almost all of the Warsaw Pact into it's sphere. This was a pretty YUGE win. Why do we need to go all the way to the Russian border? That fight was never worth picking.
    Realpolitik.

    RIP Ukraine. You were stupid to believe Europe and the US could foster a successful future for you. Trump accepted Putin’s denials and soccer ball and now you’re done. I’m sure the Baltic countries feel secure with trump’s commitment to treaties and ability to stand up to putin.
    Say this again with feeling: Ukraine is and never has been and INDEPENDENT country.


    Say that to @ukrainiandawgs face!
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,919

    Flip flop. Backpedal. Beta.

    And you all eat it up.

    Still can't argue the facts

    Because they are on my side

    All you got is




    Nothing
    Here’s a fact for you: the election was hacked and Trump has done nothing to secure it against further tampering. Today he admitted that our IC is right about Russia.



    There is no evidence a single vote changed. From your man Mueller and Rosenstein

    No American involved with the indictment

    We knew they were trying when Obama gave the order to stand down and not retaliate

    Like I said

    Nothing
    No one, at least here, Is saying they gave Trump the W. But to deny that Russia didn’t try is fucktarded.
  • Dude61
    Dude61 Member Posts: 1,254
    Squirt said:

    Dude61 said:

    Other than indictments that lack any proof for phishing and buying facebook ads, Mueller has been unable to show evidence that the Russians had any effect on the outcome of the election.

    An indictment can be issued only if a grand jury finds evidence that there is probable cause that a crime was committed.
    And yet Mueller delays trial when some of the Russians show up in court and demand discovery.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,438 Founders Club
    salemcoog said:

    Flip flop. Backpedal. Beta.

    And you all eat it up.

    Still can't argue the facts

    Because they are on my side

    All you got is




    Nothing
    Here’s a fact for you: the election was hacked and Trump has done nothing to secure it against further tampering. Today he admitted that our IC is right about Russia.



    There is no evidence a single vote changed. From your man Mueller and Rosenstein

    No American involved with the indictment

    We knew they were trying when Obama gave the order to stand down and not retaliate

    Like I said

    Nothing
    No one, at least here, Is saying they gave Trump the W. But to deny that Russia didn’t try is fucktarded.
    Who cares what the fucking try hards did

    It was useless

    To call Trump a traitor for not repeating democrat talking points at a kick ass presser is fucking stupid
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,919

    HRYK

    Something the democrats told us for about 80 years of communism there

    I just have to say I laugh out loud every time these twinks get all patriotic and shit.

    It's like OBK rooting for WASHINGTON

    In fairness to Trump, the foreign policy establishment has done a shitty jerb vis-a-vis Russia since the 90s. NATO should have never been expanded into any of the former Soviet Republics. Furthermore, we should have just let the Russians have their way with Ukraine. Ukraine has never really been a nation independent from Russia in the first place.
    East Germany disagrees. Also, Ukraine gave up their nukes because of our guarantee of national sovereignty...
    East Germany was not a Soviet Republic. Nor was Poland and the rest of the Warsaw Pact. Satellites yes, but never part of the Soviet Union. Soviets lost the Cold War and rightly we absorbed those countries into NATA.

    Ukraine was an independent country for like a year in 1918- 19, prior to 1992 and has been a part of Russia for many centuries. Nuke deal or not, Ukraine is part of the Russian sphere and not the West, and they are not a hill worth dying for.
    Not worth dying for? Perhaps. Still very sad indictment of western failure to push its frontier. Ukraine could be part of the EU over time, if given the protection, and not forsaken to the clutches of tyranny and despotism. Trump’s fecklessness yesterday signed Ukraine’s death warrant.

    Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are NATO
    Members. We go to war there, correct?
    The Geography would always create an issue to keep the Ukraine a sovereign state. And most of its citizens wanted to be part of Russia anyway.
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    salemcoog said:

    Flip flop. Backpedal. Beta.

    And you all eat it up.

    Still can't argue the facts

    Because they are on my side

    All you got is




    Nothing
    Here’s a fact for you: the election was hacked and Trump has done nothing to secure it against further tampering. Today he admitted that our IC is right about Russia.



    There is no evidence a single vote changed. From your man Mueller and Rosenstein

    No American involved with the indictment

    We knew they were trying when Obama gave the order to stand down and not retaliate

    Like I said

    Nothing
    No one, at least here, Is saying they gave Trump the W. But to deny that Russia didn’t try is fucktarded.
    Who cares what the fucking try hards did

    It was useless

    To call Trump a traitor for not repeating democrat talking points at a kick ass presser is fucking stupid
    Putin was very, very strong. What was trump supposed to do?!
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    salemcoog said:

    HRYK

    Something the democrats told us for about 80 years of communism there

    I just have to say I laugh out loud every time these twinks get all patriotic and shit.

    It's like OBK rooting for WASHINGTON

    In fairness to Trump, the foreign policy establishment has done a shitty jerb vis-a-vis Russia since the 90s. NATO should have never been expanded into any of the former Soviet Republics. Furthermore, we should have just let the Russians have their way with Ukraine. Ukraine has never really been a nation independent from Russia in the first place.
    East Germany disagrees. Also, Ukraine gave up their nukes because of our guarantee of national sovereignty...
    East Germany was not a Soviet Republic. Nor was Poland and the rest of the Warsaw Pact. Satellites yes, but never part of the Soviet Union. Soviets lost the Cold War and rightly we absorbed those countries into NATA.

    Ukraine was an independent country for like a year in 1918- 19, prior to 1992 and has been a part of Russia for many centuries. Nuke deal or not, Ukraine is part of the Russian sphere and not the West, and they are not a hill worth dying for.
    Not worth dying for? Perhaps. Still very sad indictment of western failure to push its frontier. Ukraine could be part of the EU over time, if given the protection, and not forsaken to the clutches of tyranny and despotism. Trump’s fecklessness yesterday signed Ukraine’s death warrant.

    Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are NATO
    Members. We go to war there, correct?
    The Geography would always create an issue to keep the Ukraine a sovereign state. And most of its citizens wanted to be part of Russia anyway.
    Disagree, Ukrainians not only welcomed Hitler's invading armies during WW2 because they hated Russian rule, but they were one of the most notorious collaborators in their war crimes. They aren't worth fighting for. Let Russia have Ukraine if it comes down to it.