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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,207 Founders Club
    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    I am against taking away citizen's legally owned firearms w/o due process. BUT part of the Yella Platform is that if you have a minor who gets a hold of one of your gun's and shoots someone at school, you're just as fucking guilty and will get the death penalty. You want to own the guns great, but with that privilege comes great responsibility.

    Yep. Chain of custody. You are your weapon. Whatever it does, you did, until there is a bill of sale or a police report for theft preceding the shit that went down.

    And then the courts can figure it out after that.

    Be it a minor or anyone in my book.
    So those big rental truck companies CEO's are all in prison?
    Let's clean it up here guys. We've got way too many false analogies going on with the guns.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,625 Standard Supporter
    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    I am against taking away citizen's legally owned firearms w/o due process. BUT part of the Yella Platform is that if you have a minor who gets a hold of one of your gun's and shoots someone at school, you're just as fucking guilty and will get the death penalty. You want to own the guns great, but with that privilege comes great responsibility.

    Yep. Chain of custody. You are your weapon. Whatever it does, you did, until there is a bill of sale or a police report for theft preceding the shit that went down.

    And then the courts can figure it out after that.

    Be it a minor or anyone in my book.
    So those big rental truck companies CEO's are all in prison?
    That’s stupid. Someone signed off on the rental agreement to take custody of the truck. No one rents guns. And if there is some sort of gun rental service, whoever rented the gun would absolve the owner of any wrong doing when signing the rental agreement and taking custody.
    Just an analogy. But having a gun taken from you in a crime (theft, burglary, robbery etc.) somehow means you are still responsible for anything that happens with it. If it's your own kid and it was unsecured is one thing but a juvenile (or any thief etc.) thief is not.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    I am against taking away citizen's legally owned firearms w/o due process. BUT part of the Yella Platform is that if you have a minor who gets a hold of one of your gun's and shoots someone at school, you're just as fucking guilty and will get the death penalty. You want to own the guns great, but with that privilege comes great responsibility.

    Yep. Chain of custody. You are your weapon. Whatever it does, you did, until there is a bill of sale or a police report for theft preceding the shit that went down.

    And then the courts can figure it out after that.

    Be it a minor or anyone in my book.
    So those big rental truck companies CEO's are all in prison?
    That’s stupid. Someone signed off on the rental agreement to take custody of the truck. No one rents guns. And if there is some sort of gun rental service, whoever rented the gun would absolve the owner of any wrong doing when signing the rental agreement and taking custody.
    Just an analogy. But having a gun taken from you in a crime (theft, burglary, robbery etc.) somehow means you are still responsible for anything that happens with it. If it's your own kid and it was unsecured is one thing but a juvenile (or any thief etc.) thief is not.
    If someone breaks into your house and steals your Gun, they would have stolen other things as well. You would know if it happened. Calling the police to report it stolen would absolve you of whatever happens with that weapon.

    Too many people are hiding behind the 2nd amendment as if a gun owner doesn’t or shouldn’t have responsibilities as to what happens to your weapon. Just because you have a right to own it doesn’t mean you don’t have a responsibility to store it safely so that no one other than you can get to it.

    And if something happened, the courts can figure out whether you were negligent or not. And this would spark innovation and growth in the gun safe industry.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,625 Standard Supporter
    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    I am against taking away citizen's legally owned firearms w/o due process. BUT part of the Yella Platform is that if you have a minor who gets a hold of one of your gun's and shoots someone at school, you're just as fucking guilty and will get the death penalty. You want to own the guns great, but with that privilege comes great responsibility.

    Yep. Chain of custody. You are your weapon. Whatever it does, you did, until there is a bill of sale or a police report for theft preceding the shit that went down.

    And then the courts can figure it out after that.

    Be it a minor or anyone in my book.
    So those big rental truck companies CEO's are all in prison?
    That’s stupid. Someone signed off on the rental agreement to take custody of the truck. No one rents guns. And if there is some sort of gun rental service, whoever rented the gun would absolve the owner of any wrong doing when signing the rental agreement and taking custody.
    Just an analogy. But having a gun taken from you in a crime (theft, burglary, robbery etc.) somehow means you are still responsible for anything that happens with it. If it's your own kid and it was unsecured is one thing but a juvenile (or any thief etc.) thief is not.
    If someone breaks into your house and steals your Gun, they would have stolen other things as well. You would know if it happened. Calling the police to report it stolen would absolve you of whatever happens with that weapon.

    Too many people are hiding behind the 2nd amendment as if a gun owner doesn’t or shouldn’t have responsibilities as to what happens to your weapon. Just because you have a right to own it doesn’t mean you don’t have a responsibility to store it safely so that no one other than you can get to it.

    And if something happened, the courts can figure out whether you were negligent or not. And this would spark innovation and growth in the gun safe industry.
    People stealing your property should absolve you of any liability. It does with any other item and should for firearms. Otherwise you need Fort Knox like security to protect yourself from liability. The founders didn't have gun safes. I'm not hiding behind the 2nd amendment but am asking for equal protection under the law as required by the 14th amendment.
  • HuskyJW
    HuskyJW Member Posts: 15,251

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    Society not guns is where the problem lies. We've had guns since their invention but did not have the type of incidents we have now. At least not with this frequency.

    What's changed more society and morals or guns? Definitely society and morals. Guns have changed very little in 100 years.

    That is wholly not true. Not even close. That's what a 24 hour news cycle does to your brain.
    Really whats not true Hondo? Poont it out.
    See the bold writing. For fucks sakes man. You knew hear?
    You have no facts per usual. Simple liberal dribble. Burgers are burning.
    Is your Google broken or you and southerndawg and race choose to remain ignorant?

    photo 21777D85-8F63-4967-AFBF-6F51DA023724_zpsnipnxn3c.png

    Funny thing, what happened in 1994? Brady bill there? Odd isn't it?




    Id be interested to see a geographic breakdown of guns per citizen over time.
    I'm 43..have owned 9 I think it is.

    Right now am at 4 in my possession. Is that a lot? I dont think it is but what do I know.
  • USMChawk
    USMChawk Member Posts: 1,800
    HuskyJW said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    Society not guns is where the problem lies. We've had guns since their invention but did not have the type of incidents we have now. At least not with this frequency.

    What's changed more society and morals or guns? Definitely society and morals. Guns have changed very little in 100 years.

    That is wholly not true. Not even close. That's what a 24 hour news cycle does to your brain.
    Really whats not true Hondo? Poont it out.
    See the bold writing. For fucks sakes man. You knew hear?
    You have no facts per usual. Simple liberal dribble. Burgers are burning.
    Is your Google broken or you and southerndawg and race choose to remain ignorant?

    photo 21777D85-8F63-4967-AFBF-6F51DA023724_zpsnipnxn3c.png

    Funny thing, what happened in 1994? Brady bill there? Odd isn't it?




    Id be interested to see a geographic breakdown of guns per citizen over time.
    I'm 43..have owned 9 I think it is.

    Right now am at 4 in my possession. Is that a lot? I dont think it is but what do I know.
    I have 7 and have sold another 3. You’re probably below average for a gun owner.

  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    I am against taking away citizen's legally owned firearms w/o due process. BUT part of the Yella Platform is that if you have a minor who gets a hold of one of your gun's and shoots someone at school, you're just as fucking guilty and will get the death penalty. You want to own the guns great, but with that privilege comes great responsibility.

    Yep. Chain of custody. You are your weapon. Whatever it does, you did, until there is a bill of sale or a police report for theft preceding the shit that went down.

    And then the courts can figure it out after that.

    Be it a minor or anyone in my book.
    So those big rental truck companies CEO's are all in prison?
    That’s stupid. Someone signed off on the rental agreement to take custody of the truck. No one rents guns. And if there is some sort of gun rental service, whoever rented the gun would absolve the owner of any wrong doing when signing the rental agreement and taking custody.
    Just an analogy. But having a gun taken from you in a crime (theft, burglary, robbery etc.) somehow means you are still responsible for anything that happens with it. If it's your own kid and it was unsecured is one thing but a juvenile (or any thief etc.) thief is not.
    If someone breaks into your house and steals your Gun, they would have stolen other things as well. You would know if it happened. Calling the police to report it stolen would absolve you of whatever happens with that weapon.

    Too many people are hiding behind the 2nd amendment as if a gun owner doesn’t or shouldn’t have responsibilities as to what happens to your weapon. Just because you have a right to own it doesn’t mean you don’t have a responsibility to store it safely so that no one other than you can get to it.

    And if something happened, the courts can figure out whether you were negligent or not. And this would spark innovation and growth in the gun safe industry.
    People stealing your property should absolve you of any liability. It does with any other item and should for firearms. Otherwise you need Fort Knox like security to protect yourself from liability. The founders didn't have gun safes. I'm not hiding behind the 2nd amendment but am asking for equal protection under the law as required by the 14th amendment.
    I covered the theft and liability in my poast.

    The founders had one shot muskets.

    If you can’t secure your weapons, you shouldn’t own them.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,625 Standard Supporter
    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    I am against taking away citizen's legally owned firearms w/o due process. BUT part of the Yella Platform is that if you have a minor who gets a hold of one of your gun's and shoots someone at school, you're just as fucking guilty and will get the death penalty. You want to own the guns great, but with that privilege comes great responsibility.

    Yep. Chain of custody. You are your weapon. Whatever it does, you did, until there is a bill of sale or a police report for theft preceding the shit that went down.

    And then the courts can figure it out after that.

    Be it a minor or anyone in my book.
    So those big rental truck companies CEO's are all in prison?
    That’s stupid. Someone signed off on the rental agreement to take custody of the truck. No one rents guns. And if there is some sort of gun rental service, whoever rented the gun would absolve the owner of any wrong doing when signing the rental agreement and taking custody.
    Just an analogy. But having a gun taken from you in a crime (theft, burglary, robbery etc.) somehow means you are still responsible for anything that happens with it. If it's your own kid and it was unsecured is one thing but a juvenile (or any thief etc.) thief is not.
    If someone breaks into your house and steals your Gun, they would have stolen other things as well. You would know if it happened. Calling the police to report it stolen would absolve you of whatever happens with that weapon.

    Too many people are hiding behind the 2nd amendment as if a gun owner doesn’t or shouldn’t have responsibilities as to what happens to your weapon. Just because you have a right to own it doesn’t mean you don’t have a responsibility to store it safely so that no one other than you can get to it.

    And if something happened, the courts can figure out whether you were negligent or not. And this would spark innovation and growth in the gun safe industry.
    People stealing your property should absolve you of any liability. It does with any other item and should for firearms. Otherwise you need Fort Knox like security to protect yourself from liability. The founders didn't have gun safes. I'm not hiding behind the 2nd amendment but am asking for equal protection under the law as required by the 14th amendment.
    I covered the theft and liability in my poast.

    The founders had one shot muskets.

    If you can’t secure your weapons, you shouldn’t own them.
    They had the most advanced weaponry available. Mine are secure. Safe aren't that hard to open. Watch a few videos on Youtube. I've known several people that had them carried away as well. So you'll still be responsible.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    I am against taking away citizen's legally owned firearms w/o due process. BUT part of the Yella Platform is that if you have a minor who gets a hold of one of your gun's and shoots someone at school, you're just as fucking guilty and will get the death penalty. You want to own the guns great, but with that privilege comes great responsibility.

    Yep. Chain of custody. You are your weapon. Whatever it does, you did, until there is a bill of sale or a police report for theft preceding the shit that went down.

    And then the courts can figure it out after that.

    Be it a minor or anyone in my book.
    So those big rental truck companies CEO's are all in prison?
    That’s stupid. Someone signed off on the rental agreement to take custody of the truck. No one rents guns. And if there is some sort of gun rental service, whoever rented the gun would absolve the owner of any wrong doing when signing the rental agreement and taking custody.
    Just an analogy. But having a gun taken from you in a crime (theft, burglary, robbery etc.) somehow means you are still responsible for anything that happens with it. If it's your own kid and it was unsecured is one thing but a juvenile (or any thief etc.) thief is not.
    If someone breaks into your house and steals your Gun, they would have stolen other things as well. You would know if it happened. Calling the police to report it stolen would absolve you of whatever happens with that weapon.

    Too many people are hiding behind the 2nd amendment as if a gun owner doesn’t or shouldn’t have responsibilities as to what happens to your weapon. Just because you have a right to own it doesn’t mean you don’t have a responsibility to store it safely so that no one other than you can get to it.

    And if something happened, the courts can figure out whether you were negligent or not. And this would spark innovation and growth in the gun safe industry.
    People stealing your property should absolve you of any liability. It does with any other item and should for firearms. Otherwise you need Fort Knox like security to protect yourself from liability. The founders didn't have gun safes. I'm not hiding behind the 2nd amendment but am asking for equal protection under the law as required by the 14th amendment.
    I covered the theft and liability in my poast.

    The founders had one shot muskets.

    If you can’t secure your weapons, you shouldn’t own them.
    They had the most advanced weaponry available. Mine are secure. Safe aren't that hard to open. Watch a few videos on Youtube. I've known several people that had them carried away as well. So you'll still be responsible.
    How and why do you have so many friends that had their weapons stolen?And for the 4th time, once you file the police report, your liability ceases.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,625 Standard Supporter
    edited July 2018
    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    I am against taking away citizen's legally owned firearms w/o due process. BUT part of the Yella Platform is that if you have a minor who gets a hold of one of your gun's and shoots someone at school, you're just as fucking guilty and will get the death penalty. You want to own the guns great, but with that privilege comes great responsibility.

    Yep. Chain of custody. You are your weapon. Whatever it does, you did, until there is a bill of sale or a police report for theft preceding the shit that went down.

    And then the courts can figure it out after that.

    Be it a minor or anyone in my book.
    So those big rental truck companies CEO's are all in prison?
    That’s stupid. Someone signed off on the rental agreement to take custody of the truck. No one rents guns. And if there is some sort of gun rental service, whoever rented the gun would absolve the owner of any wrong doing when signing the rental agreement and taking custody.
    Just an analogy. But having a gun taken from you in a crime (theft, burglary, robbery etc.) somehow means you are still responsible for anything that happens with it. If it's your own kid and it was unsecured is one thing but a juvenile (or any thief etc.) thief is not.
    If someone breaks into your house and steals your Gun, they would have stolen other things as well. You would know if it happened. Calling the police to report it stolen would absolve you of whatever happens with that weapon.

    Too many people are hiding behind the 2nd amendment as if a gun owner doesn’t or shouldn’t have responsibilities as to what happens to your weapon. Just because you have a right to own it doesn’t mean you don’t have a responsibility to store it safely so that no one other than you can get to it.

    And if something happened, the courts can figure out whether you were negligent or not. And this would spark innovation and growth in the gun safe industry.
    People stealing your property should absolve you of any liability. It does with any other item and should for firearms. Otherwise you need Fort Knox like security to protect yourself from liability. The founders didn't have gun safes. I'm not hiding behind the 2nd amendment but am asking for equal protection under the law as required by the 14th amendment.
    I covered the theft and liability in my poast.

    The founders had one shot muskets.

    If you can’t secure your weapons, you shouldn’t own them.
    They had the most advanced weaponry available. Mine are secure. Safe aren't that hard to open. Watch a few videos on Youtube. I've known several people that had them carried away as well. So you'll still be responsible.
    How and why do you have so many friends that had their weapons stolen?And for the 4th time, once you file the police report, your liability ceases.
    Someone broke into their homes and stole their gun safe. Among other things. Burglaries happen.

    Those that wish to curtail our rights want an owner held responsible. No need for us to argue.
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,738 Founders Club
    I think I own 28 guns currently. Right near that. Probably owned 80 in my lifetime. Bought sold and traded for the last 25 years. Is that a lot? Who cares. I've known collectors that had over a hundred. I keep mine in two safes. If they get stolen I'll report it.
  • USMChawk
    USMChawk Member Posts: 1,800
    Swaye said:

    I think I own 28 guns currently. Right near that. Probably owned 80 in my lifetime. Bought sold and traded for the last 25 years. Is that a lot? Who cares. I've known collectors that had over a hundred. I keep mine in two safes. If they get stolen I'll report it.

    The lifestyle you can live if you don’t get married and have kids.

  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,738 Founders Club
    USMChawk said:

    Swaye said:

    I think I own 28 guns currently. Right near that. Probably owned 80 in my lifetime. Bought sold and traded for the last 25 years. Is that a lot? Who cares. I've known collectors that had over a hundred. I keep mine in two safes. If they get stolen I'll report it.

    The lifestyle you can live if you don’t get married and have kids.

    I'll die alone aged and cripled, with a failing liver, but I will have had fun getting to that death bed.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,207 Founders Club
    Swaye said:

    I think I own 28 guns currently. Right near that. Probably owned 80 in my lifetime. Bought sold and traded for the last 25 years. Is that a lot? Who cares. I've known collectors that had over a hundred. I keep mine in two safes. If they get stolen I'll report it.

    I only have 1 and it only holds 7 in the tube. Zombie bait.
  • BearsWiin
    BearsWiin Member Posts: 5,070
    I've owned 9 for 25 years now. Back in 1992 I went up to the high desert outside LA on a shooting expedition with about twenty gun nuts, and brought the six guns that I had at the time with me. The next fewest somebody brought was 12, and many brought up 50. And, of course, my boss brought the 3" cannon that he built with T2 steel and Defending Your Life oak for the carriage... strapped it down on the back of his stakebed so he could fire broadsides. A few of us came back to LA on Saturday evening, but the guys who stayed out there got a front-row seat for the 7.4 Landers quake the following morning.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    BearsWiin said:

    I've owned 9 for 25 years now. Back in 1992 I went up to the high desert outside LA on a shooting expedition with about twenty gun nuts, and brought the six guns that I had at the time with me. The next fewest somebody brought was 12, and many brought up 50. And, of course, my boss brought the 3" cannon that he built with T2 steel and Defending Your Life oak for the carriage... strapped it down on the back of his stakebed so he could fire broadsides. A few of us came back to LA on Saturday evening, but the guys who stayed out there got a front-row seat for the 7.4 Landers quake the following morning.

    But can Elizabeth Hurley shoot a gun?
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,661
    2001400ex said:

    BearsWiin said:

    I've owned 9 for 25 years now. Back in 1992 I went up to the high desert outside LA on a shooting expedition with about twenty gun nuts, and brought the six guns that I had at the time with me. The next fewest somebody brought was 12, and many brought up 50. And, of course, my boss brought the 3" cannon that he built with T2 steel and Defending Your Life oak for the carriage... strapped it down on the back of his stakebed so he could fire broadsides. A few of us came back to LA on Saturday evening, but the guys who stayed out there got a front-row seat for the 7.4 Landers quake the following morning.

    But can Elizabeth Hurley do anything besides being incredibly hot?

    Noc
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member Posts: 18,028
    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    I am against taking away citizen's legally owned firearms w/o due process. BUT part of the Yella Platform is that if you have a minor who gets a hold of one of your gun's and shoots someone at school, you're just as fucking guilty and will get the death penalty. You want to own the guns great, but with that privilege comes great responsibility.

    Yep. Chain of custody. You are your weapon. Whatever it does, you did, until there is a bill of sale or a police report for theft preceding the shit that went down.

    And then the courts can figure it out after that.

    Be it a minor or anyone in my book.
    So those big rental truck companies CEO's are all in prison?
    That’s stupid. Someone signed off on the rental agreement to take custody of the truck. No one rents guns. And if there is some sort of gun rental service, whoever rented the gun would absolve the owner of any wrong doing when signing the rental agreement and taking custody.
    Just an analogy. But having a gun taken from you in a crime (theft, burglary, robbery etc.) somehow means you are still responsible for anything that happens with it. If it's your own kid and it was unsecured is one thing but a juvenile (or any thief etc.) thief is not.
    If someone breaks into your house and steals your Gun, they would have stolen other things as well. You would know if it happened. Calling the police to report it stolen would absolve you of whatever happens with that weapon.

    Too many people are hiding behind the 2nd amendment as if a gun owner doesn’t or shouldn’t have responsibilities as to what happens to your weapon. Just because you have a right to own it doesn’t mean you don’t have a responsibility to store it safely so that no one other than you can get to it.

    And if something happened, the courts can figure out whether you were negligent or not. And this would spark innovation and growth in the gun safe industry.
    People stealing your property should absolve you of any liability. It does with any other item and should for firearms. Otherwise you need Fort Knox like security to protect yourself from liability. The founders didn't have gun safes. I'm not hiding behind the 2nd amendment but am asking for equal protection under the law as required by the 14th amendment.
    I covered the theft and liability in my poast.

    The founders had one shot muskets.

    If you can’t secure your weapons, you shouldn’t own them.
    The founders had canons and warships and other fun weapons that we don't get to own today. In many instances their private arsenals were bigger and more well equipped than the local armory.

    Your faith in the courts leads me to believe you haven't been in one too often.

    People should still own gun safes as good practice and as a responsible owner.
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,661

    Swaye said:

    I love Liz Hurley.


    She's so hot it makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

    Or at least was back in the 90s but you know what I mean.
    Elizabeth Hurley is hot. The limey accent makes her even more attractive. As she nears her expiration date, Sienna Miller is tanned, rested and ready to fill in.

    In layer cake she is punch in the nuts hot

  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288

    Swaye said:

    I love Liz Hurley.


    She's so hot it makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

    Or at least was back in the 90s but you know what I mean.
    Elizabeth Hurley is hot. The limey accent makes her even more attractive. As she nears her expiration date, Sienna Miller is tanned, rested and ready to fill in.

    In layer cake she is punch in the nuts hot

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lob_1H4lLL4
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,661
    The club scene you pathetic cunt!
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288

    The club scene you pathetic cunt!

    pull your own weight bitch
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,661

    The club scene you pathetic cunt!

    pull your own weight bitch
    I have important things to do like sit at the bar and not be able to post pics.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    I am against taking away citizen's legally owned firearms w/o due process. BUT part of the Yella Platform is that if you have a minor who gets a hold of one of your gun's and shoots someone at school, you're just as fucking guilty and will get the death penalty. You want to own the guns great, but with that privilege comes great responsibility.

    Yep. Chain of custody. You are your weapon. Whatever it does, you did, until there is a bill of sale or a police report for theft preceding the shit that went down.

    And then the courts can figure it out after that.

    Be it a minor or anyone in my book.
    So those big rental truck companies CEO's are all in prison?
    That’s stupid. Someone signed off on the rental agreement to take custody of the truck. No one rents guns. And if there is some sort of gun rental service, whoever rented the gun would absolve the owner of any wrong doing when signing the rental agreement and taking custody.
    Just an analogy. But having a gun taken from you in a crime (theft, burglary, robbery etc.) somehow means you are still responsible for anything that happens with it. If it's your own kid and it was unsecured is one thing but a juvenile (or any thief etc.) thief is not.
    If someone breaks into your house and steals your Gun, they would have stolen other things as well. You would know if it happened. Calling the police to report it stolen would absolve you of whatever happens with that weapon.

    Too many people are hiding behind the 2nd amendment as if a gun owner doesn’t or shouldn’t have responsibilities as to what happens to your weapon. Just because you have a right to own it doesn’t mean you don’t have a responsibility to store it safely so that no one other than you can get to it.

    And if something happened, the courts can figure out whether you were negligent or not. And this would spark innovation and growth in the gun safe industry.
    People stealing your property should absolve you of any liability. It does with any other item and should for firearms. Otherwise you need Fort Knox like security to protect yourself from liability. The founders didn't have gun safes. I'm not hiding behind the 2nd amendment but am asking for equal protection under the law as required by the 14th amendment.
    I covered the theft and liability in my poast.

    The founders had one shot muskets.

    If you can’t secure your weapons, you shouldn’t own them.
    The founders had canons and warships and other fun weapons that we don't get to own today. In many instances their private arsenals were bigger and more well equipped than the local armory.

    Your faith in the courts leads me to believe you haven't been in one too often.

    People should still own gun safes as good practice and as a responsible owner.
    It’s been awhile. But I’m white. So....