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WDWHA cuz (1) Northern states didn't want to incorporate that amount of future slave territory and (2) it would have meant governing too many Messicans. Population of California in 1848 was only like 80,000 give or take.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I've lived there. Trust me, WDWHA.YellowSnow said:
We could have had all of Mexico and Canada, damn it.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Canada AND Baja California damn it!YellowSnow said:
We had guns. Problem is we were a bunch of losers still. If we had established a winning kultur by then Canada would be ours? and Worshington wouldn't have been torched.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Disagree.YellowSnow said:
I don't think of you as a cheap two silver dollar libertarian who only deals in absolutes. But as the oft stated cliché goes, where do you logically draw the line between what firearms we should have the right to own? It's a pretty flimsy position in my view (not saying you are so don't twist) to be for semi-auto AR style rifles, but against fully auto. And furthermore, if people truly believe that guns are the PRIMARY guarantor of liberty, then the citizenry should, in fact, be armed as heavily as possible to provide an adequate check on future tyranny. On a side note - while I think having a 2nd amendment certainly isn't a bad thing - I contend that is not the primary reason we are a free people; rather, this is more so due to the fact that we are country which was founded by brilliant men who were products of the English Enlightenment (that they were protestants played a big role too).UW_Doog_Bot said:
See there you go again Yella with a binary argument as though I'm some cheap Two silver dollar libertarian. You should know me better than that. I don't deal in absolutes when it comes to policy.YellowSnow said:
Agree. Let's get rid of ALL nonsensical regulations of our right to own whatever ever firearms we want.UW_Doog_Bot said:
The intention of the "anti-gun" people has never been to repeal the 2nd for the obvious reasons you state. It's too damn difficult and it's against popular opinion.YellowSnow said:
See below OBK. It doesn't matter if the Reds respect it or not. 26% or more of the states in this country aren't abandoning the 2nd amendment.oregonblitzkrieg said:This is the future if you don't vote. Socialists will eventually seize your guns. They have zero respect for the 2nd amendment. Putting cops in this position is unforgivable. Whoever is in charge of that state should be fucking arrested for violating the constitution.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
Instead, it's always been to attempt to re-frame the conversation and pass laws such as the "assault weapons ban" to make owning a firearm legally an extremely difficult task. Always in the name of public safety.
If I can only buy firearms licensed and regulated by the state it kind of defeats the point of them being a check and balance on the state's power.
argumentum ad absurdum: The 2nd amendment isn't repealed but "common sense" laws are passed that only guns produced by Racebannon can be legally sold and kept. Oh what's that you say? Race doesn't produce any guns? Tough shit, it's the law.
If you don't think federal regulators would ever make such nonsense laws then you've never dealt with a federal regulator.
The poont of the 2nd has been and should always be a check on the power of the state.
Instead of an arms race between civilians and the state how about we scale back the military industrial complex? or the surveillance state? capisci?
And yes, I think the licensing program for full auto actually should be expanded as I'm not sure there's ever been a mass shooting in modern American History that has involved a licensed automatic weapon. If you provide me evidence to the contrary I would be open to altering my opinion.
It's pointless to worry about the military industrial complex. It was a necessary evil forced upon us? by external actors. Furthermore, it's probably been more of a net positive to our nation than a negative. Think of all the kewl shit we have today as a result of all that Cold War R&D spending. Surveillance state is a necessary evil as well; if the A-rabs or whomever kill another 3,000 Americans, then we're going to get Patriot Act on steroids. The fact that we haven't had a major domestic terrorist attack in 17 years suggests that there is some ROI.
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My only platform would be to give Tucson back to Mexico. Then take rocky point and all of baja by force.
Make the pows build a wall.
Then send them back over the wall!
MAGTE! -
Bitchfork you dummy, we had to get Tuscon to get the choo choo to LA.Pitchfork51 said:My only platform would be to give Tucson back to Mexico. Then take rocky point and all of baja by force.
Make the pows build a wall.
Then send them back over the wall!
MAGTE! -
Me too, back when it was called California.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I've lived there. Trust me, WDWHA.YellowSnow said:
We could have had all of Mexico and Canada, damn it.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Canada AND Baja California damn it!YellowSnow said:
We had guns. Problem is we were a bunch of losers still. If we had established a winning kultur by then Canada would be ours? and Worshington wouldn't have been torched.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Disagree.YellowSnow said:
I don't think of you as a cheap two silver dollar libertarian who only deals in absolutes. But as the oft stated cliché goes, where do you logically draw the line between what firearms we should have the right to own? It's a pretty flimsy position in my view (not saying you are so don't twist) to be for semi-auto AR style rifles, but against fully auto. And furthermore, if people truly believe that guns are the PRIMARY guarantor of liberty, then the citizenry should, in fact, be armed as heavily as possible to provide an adequate check on future tyranny. On a side note - while I think having a 2nd amendment certainly isn't a bad thing - I contend that is not the primary reason we are a free people; rather, this is more so due to the fact that we are country which was founded by brilliant men who were products of the English Enlightenment (that they were protestants played a big role too).UW_Doog_Bot said:
See there you go again Yella with a binary argument as though I'm some cheap Two silver dollar libertarian. You should know me better than that. I don't deal in absolutes when it comes to policy.YellowSnow said:
Agree. Let's get rid of ALL nonsensical regulations of our right to own whatever ever firearms we want.UW_Doog_Bot said:
The intention of the "anti-gun" people has never been to repeal the 2nd for the obvious reasons you state. It's too damn difficult and it's against popular opinion.YellowSnow said:
See below OBK. It doesn't matter if the Reds respect it or not. 26% or more of the states in this country aren't abandoning the 2nd amendment.oregonblitzkrieg said:This is the future if you don't vote. Socialists will eventually seize your guns. They have zero respect for the 2nd amendment. Putting cops in this position is unforgivable. Whoever is in charge of that state should be fucking arrested for violating the constitution.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
Instead, it's always been to attempt to re-frame the conversation and pass laws such as the "assault weapons ban" to make owning a firearm legally an extremely difficult task. Always in the name of public safety.
If I can only buy firearms licensed and regulated by the state it kind of defeats the point of them being a check and balance on the state's power.
argumentum ad absurdum: The 2nd amendment isn't repealed but "common sense" laws are passed that only guns produced by Racebannon can be legally sold and kept. Oh what's that you say? Race doesn't produce any guns? Tough shit, it's the law.
If you don't think federal regulators would ever make such nonsense laws then you've never dealt with a federal regulator.
The poont of the 2nd has been and should always be a check on the power of the state.
Instead of an arms race between civilians and the state how about we scale back the military industrial complex? or the surveillance state? capisci?
And yes, I think the licensing program for full auto actually should be expanded as I'm not sure there's ever been a mass shooting in modern American History that has involved a licensed automatic weapon. If you provide me evidence to the contrary I would be open to altering my opinion.
It's pointless to worry about the military industrial complex. It was a necessary evil forced upon us? by external actors. Furthermore, it's probably been more of a net positive to our nation than a negative. Think of all the kewl shit we have today as a result of all that Cold War R&D spending. Surveillance state is a necessary evil as well; if the A-rabs or whomever kill another 3,000 Americans, then we're going to get Patriot Act on steroids. The fact that we haven't had a major domestic terrorist attack in 17 years suggests that there is some ROI. -
I support some of that. I don't think arming people at schools helps for various reasons.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I mean in my imaginary anarcho-captilist state we could all have F-14's and be flying around like assholes while drunk and watching @Swaye bang hookers.YellowSnow said:
I don't think of you as a cheap two silver dollar libertarian who only deals in absolutes. But as the oft stated cliché goes, where do you logically draw the line between what firearms we should have the right to own? It's a pretty flimsy position in my view (not saying you are so don't twist) to be for semi-auto AR style rifles, but against fully auto. And furthermore, if people truly believe that guns are the PRIMARY guarantor of liberty, then the citizenry should, in fact, be armed as heavily as possible to provide an adequate check on future tyranny. On a side note - while I think having a 2nd amendment certainly isn't a bad thing - I contend that is not the primary reason we are a free people; rather, this is more so due to the fact that we are country which was founded by brilliant men who were products of the English Enlightenment (that they were protestants played a big role too).UW_Doog_Bot said:
See there you go again Yella with a binary argument as though I'm some cheap Two silver dollar libertarian. You should know me better than that. I don't deal in absolutes when it comes to policy.YellowSnow said:
Agree. Let's get rid of ALL nonsensical regulations of our right to own whatever ever firearms we want.UW_Doog_Bot said:
The intention of the "anti-gun" people has never been to repeal the 2nd for the obvious reasons you state. It's too damn difficult and it's against popular opinion.YellowSnow said:
See below OBK. It doesn't matter if the Reds respect it or not. 26% or more of the states in this country aren't abandoning the 2nd amendment.oregonblitzkrieg said:This is the future if you don't vote. Socialists will eventually seize your guns. They have zero respect for the 2nd amendment. Putting cops in this position is unforgivable. Whoever is in charge of that state should be fucking arrested for violating the constitution.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
Instead, it's always been to attempt to re-frame the conversation and pass laws such as the "assault weapons ban" to make owning a firearm legally an extremely difficult task. Always in the name of public safety.
If I can only buy firearms licensed and regulated by the state it kind of defeats the point of them being a check and balance on the state's power.
argumentum ad absurdum: The 2nd amendment isn't repealed but "common sense" laws are passed that only guns produced by Racebannon can be legally sold and kept. Oh what's that you say? Race doesn't produce any guns? Tough shit, it's the law.
If you don't think federal regulators would ever make such nonsense laws then you've never dealt with a federal regulator.
The poont of the 2nd has been and should always be a check on the power of the state.
Instead of an arms race between civilians and the state how about we scale back the military industrial complex? or the surveillance state? capisci?
And yes, I think the licensing program for full auto actually should be expanded as I'm not sure there's ever been a mass shooting in modern American History that has involved a licensed automatic weapon. If you provide me evidence to the contrary I would be open to altering my opinion.
It's pointless to worry about the military industrial complex. It was a necessary evil forced upon us? by external actors. Furthermore, it's probably been more of a net positive to our nation than a negative. Think of all the kewl shit we have today as a result of all that Cold War R&D spending. Surveillance state is a necessary evil as well; if the A-rabs or whomever kill another 3,000 Americans, then we're going to get Patriot Act on steroids. The fact that we haven't had a major domestic terrorist attack in 17 years suggests that there is some ROI.
That's imaginary though so dealing in the real world of complexity, compromises, history, context, and geography?- I'd like to see an expansion of our current automatic weapons licensing program.
- A new emphasis on "gun security" i.e. having lockboxes, storing ammo separately, secure locations, etc. Per the research and statistics this more than anything reduces 1)Suicides and 2) Homicides due to domestic violence. Both of which are two of the leaders in gun deaths.
- A large tangential topic but mental health solutions/efforts.
- A reduction in the militarization of the police and it's surveillance state. I'd add from some of my side voluntary work that "soft" skills training for police officers could go a loooooonnnng way to improving things and reducing the need for violent confrontations between civilians and police.
- An armed(and not ill prepared for duty) set of officers at schools with more than a revolver stored securely in their vehicle. I had them in my highschool and it didn't traumatize me.
That being said, there is the NRA lobby and a large contingent is the GOP base that thinks any further gun control is robbing them I'd their Constitutional, and apparently God given, right to bear arms. I'm of the belief that the NRA needs to pull it's head out of its ass and work to protect our gun rights by providing meaningful controls that will reduce gun violence. - I'd like to see an expansion of our current automatic weapons licensing program.
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It was not haphazard. I was making a point that gun violence was down and it coincided with the beginning of football at Oregon. (Also something with a Brady bill but I'm sure that's just coincidence).UW_Doog_Bot said:Ironically, I think Honda, albeit haphazardly, was poonting out that firearms deaths are actually at historically low levels. They are.
The statistical odds on kids getting shot in a school shooting are still essentially meaningless statistically(don't twist). i.e. Basically 0.
It's purely the news cycle and the optics around it that make it the cause of the day.
That being said, see my other post about gun control. -
Doog bot true?Southerndawg said:
Me too, back when it was called California.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I've lived there. Trust me, WDWHA.YellowSnow said:
We could have had all of Mexico and Canada, damn it.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Canada AND Baja California damn it!YellowSnow said:
We had guns. Problem is we were a bunch of losers still. If we had established a winning kultur by then Canada would be ours? and Worshington wouldn't have been torched.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Disagree.YellowSnow said:
I don't think of you as a cheap two silver dollar libertarian who only deals in absolutes. But as the oft stated cliché goes, where do you logically draw the line between what firearms we should have the right to own? It's a pretty flimsy position in my view (not saying you are so don't twist) to be for semi-auto AR style rifles, but against fully auto. And furthermore, if people truly believe that guns are the PRIMARY guarantor of liberty, then the citizenry should, in fact, be armed as heavily as possible to provide an adequate check on future tyranny. On a side note - while I think having a 2nd amendment certainly isn't a bad thing - I contend that is not the primary reason we are a free people; rather, this is more so due to the fact that we are country which was founded by brilliant men who were products of the English Enlightenment (that they were protestants played a big role too).UW_Doog_Bot said:
See there you go again Yella with a binary argument as though I'm some cheap Two silver dollar libertarian. You should know me better than that. I don't deal in absolutes when it comes to policy.YellowSnow said:
Agree. Let's get rid of ALL nonsensical regulations of our right to own whatever ever firearms we want.UW_Doog_Bot said:
The intention of the "anti-gun" people has never been to repeal the 2nd for the obvious reasons you state. It's too damn difficult and it's against popular opinion.YellowSnow said:
See below OBK. It doesn't matter if the Reds respect it or not. 26% or more of the states in this country aren't abandoning the 2nd amendment.oregonblitzkrieg said:This is the future if you don't vote. Socialists will eventually seize your guns. They have zero respect for the 2nd amendment. Putting cops in this position is unforgivable. Whoever is in charge of that state should be fucking arrested for violating the constitution.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
Instead, it's always been to attempt to re-frame the conversation and pass laws such as the "assault weapons ban" to make owning a firearm legally an extremely difficult task. Always in the name of public safety.
If I can only buy firearms licensed and regulated by the state it kind of defeats the point of them being a check and balance on the state's power.
argumentum ad absurdum: The 2nd amendment isn't repealed but "common sense" laws are passed that only guns produced by Racebannon can be legally sold and kept. Oh what's that you say? Race doesn't produce any guns? Tough shit, it's the law.
If you don't think federal regulators would ever make such nonsense laws then you've never dealt with a federal regulator.
The poont of the 2nd has been and should always be a check on the power of the state.
Instead of an arms race between civilians and the state how about we scale back the military industrial complex? or the surveillance state? capisci?
And yes, I think the licensing program for full auto actually should be expanded as I'm not sure there's ever been a mass shooting in modern American History that has involved a licensed automatic weapon. If you provide me evidence to the contrary I would be open to altering my opinion.
It's pointless to worry about the military industrial complex. It was a necessary evil forced upon us? by external actors. Furthermore, it's probably been more of a net positive to our nation than a negative. Think of all the kewl shit we have today as a result of all that Cold War R&D spending. Surveillance state is a necessary evil as well; if the A-rabs or whomever kill another 3,000 Americans, then we're going to get Patriot Act on steroids. The fact that we haven't had a major domestic terrorist attack in 17 years suggests that there is some ROI.
Why did you move from California (aka mexico lol1!11). To a southern state? That should an interesting story.
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I think you actually need to take a stroll in Compton.2001400ex said:
I did for 12 years. Spokompton now. But yes. Fake hysteria is great for gun manufacturers.Southerndawg said:
Do you really live in Montana?2001400ex said:
That's what happens when the NRA can't create hysteria with full control of Congress.Southerndawg said:
Actually, gun sales have been slipping since the gun grabber left office. Ammo has gotten a lot cheaper and more plentiful too.YellowSnow said:
Exactly how are the 1st and 2nd Amendments losing ground? Guns sales have never been higher. People can get more and better guns in America than their fathers could ever have dreamed of. If you don't want to bake a cake for some feeg's wedding you don't have to. Trump is about to get another conservative justice on the court. Nothing to see here. Carry on.oregonblitzkrieg said:
The 1st and 2nd amendments are under attack in this country and its not a national emergency. Sure.gif. The Constitution IS THE LAW. Unlawful seizure of guns is forbidden. Making so called laws that violate the 2nd amendment is illegal. Those that do so should be arrested for acts that violate the constitution, not their opposition to the constitution. HTH.YellowSnow said:
Fucking Christ, you sound just like the same Reds and Nazi revolutionaries you abhor. We don't just start arresting enemies of theoregonblitzkrieg said:
Time to arrest people who violate the Constitution, including everyone involved in the creation of anti-constitutional state 'laws' that violate the 2nd amendment and allow gun seizure for spurious reasons. Time to arrest presidents of universities that don't honor the 1st amendment. Time to arrest sanctuary city mayors and governors of 'sanctuary states.' Time to put the ring sting on these bitches once and for all.YellowSnow said:
See below OBK. It doesn't matter if the Reds respect it or not. 26% or more of the states in this country aren't abandoning the 2nd amendment.oregonblitzkrieg said:This is the future if you don't vote. Socialists will eventually seize your guns. They have zero respect for the 2nd amendment. Putting cops in this position is unforgivable. Whoever is in charge of that state should be fucking arrested for violating the constitution.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.stateconstitution on America, unless its some sort of national emergency- e.g., Lincoln and habeas corpus, Roosevelt and Japanese, etc. I AM FOR RULE OF LAW.
Also, presidents of universities that violate the 1st amendment in their policies should also be arrested for acts that violate the Constitution and removed from their posts. For this reason:
That the First Amendment applies on the public university campus is settled law. Public universities have long occupied a special niche in the Supreme Court’s First Amendment jurisprudence. Indeed, the Court has held that First Amendment protections on campus are necessary for the preservation of our democracy
https://thefire.org/in-court/state-of-the-law-speech-codes/
Drunk drivers get arrested. Burglars get arrested. Sanctuary city mayors and sanctuary state governors are FLOUTING immigration law, and should also be arrested. I don't understand how you can claim to be for the rule of law and not see the validity of these positions. -
That we've killed a bazillion of 'em "over there" and the Jihadi's flooded in to fight the great satan America and all got waxed has probably helped to a greater extent than the Patriot Act.YellowSnow said:
I don't think of you as a cheap two silver dollar libertarian who only deals in absolutes. But as the oft stated cliché goes, where do you logically draw the line between what firearms we should have the right to own? It's a pretty flimsy position in my view (not saying you are so don't twist) to be for semi-auto AR style rifles, but against fully auto. And furthermore, if people truly believe that guns are the PRIMARY guarantor of liberty, then the citizenry should, in fact, be armed as heavily as possible to provide an adequate check on future tyranny. On a side note - while I think having a 2nd amendment certainly isn't a bad thing - I contend that is not the primary reason we are a free people; rather, this is more so due to the fact that we are country which was founded by brilliant men who were products of the English Enlightenment (that they were protestants played a big role too).UW_Doog_Bot said:
See there you go again Yella with a binary argument as though I'm some cheap Two silver dollar libertarian. You should know me better than that. I don't deal in absolutes when it comes to policy.YellowSnow said:
Agree. Let's get rid of ALL nonsensical regulations of our right to own whatever ever firearms we want.UW_Doog_Bot said:
The intention of the "anti-gun" people has never been to repeal the 2nd for the obvious reasons you state. It's too damn difficult and it's against popular opinion.YellowSnow said:
See below OBK. It doesn't matter if the Reds respect it or not. 26% or more of the states in this country aren't abandoning the 2nd amendment.oregonblitzkrieg said:This is the future if you don't vote. Socialists will eventually seize your guns. They have zero respect for the 2nd amendment. Putting cops in this position is unforgivable. Whoever is in charge of that state should be fucking arrested for violating the constitution.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
Instead, it's always been to attempt to re-frame the conversation and pass laws such as the "assault weapons ban" to make owning a firearm legally an extremely difficult task. Always in the name of public safety.
If I can only buy firearms licensed and regulated by the state it kind of defeats the point of them being a check and balance on the state's power.
argumentum ad absurdum: The 2nd amendment isn't repealed but "common sense" laws are passed that only guns produced by Racebannon can be legally sold and kept. Oh what's that you say? Race doesn't produce any guns? Tough shit, it's the law.
If you don't think federal regulators would ever make such nonsense laws then you've never dealt with a federal regulator.
The poont of the 2nd has been and should always be a check on the power of the state.
Instead of an arms race between civilians and the state how about we scale back the military industrial complex? or the surveillance state? capisci?
And yes, I think the licensing program for full auto actually should be expanded as I'm not sure there's ever been a mass shooting in modern American History that has involved a licensed automatic weapon. If you provide me evidence to the contrary I would be open to altering my opinion.
It's pointless to worry about the military industrial complex. It was a necessary evil forced upon us? by external actors. Furthermore, it's probably been more of a net positive to our nation than a negative. Think of all the kewl shit we have today as a result of all that Cold War R&D spending. Surveillance state is a necessary evil as well; if the A-rabs or whomever kill another 3,000 Americans, then we're going to get Patriot Act on steroids. The fact that we haven't had a major domestic terrorist attack in 17 years suggests that there is some ROI. -
Very strategic at the time.YellowSnow said:
Bitchfork you dummy, we had to get Tuscon to get the choo choo to LA.Pitchfork51 said:My only platform would be to give Tucson back to Mexico. Then take rocky point and all of baja by force.
Make the pows build a wall.
Then send them back over the wall!
MAGTE!
However it's a different era and now we must cut out the cancer.
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Sledog said:
That we've killed a bazillion of 'em "over there" and the Jihadi's flooded in to fight the great satan America and all got waxed has probably helped to a greater extent than the Patriot Act.YellowSnow said:
I don't think of you as a cheap two silver dollar libertarian who only deals in absolutes. But as the oft stated cliché goes, where do you logically draw the line between what firearms we should have the right to own? It's a pretty flimsy position in my view (not saying you are so don't twist) to be for semi-auto AR style rifles, but against fully auto. And furthermore, if people truly believe that guns are the PRIMARY guarantor of liberty, then the citizenry should, in fact, be armed as heavily as possible to provide an adequate check on future tyranny. On a side note - while I think having a 2nd amendment certainly isn't a bad thing - I contend that is not the primary reason we are a free people; rather, this is more so due to the fact that we are country which was founded by brilliant men who were products of the English Enlightenment (that they were protestants played a big role too).UW_Doog_Bot said:
See there you go again Yella with a binary argument as though I'm some cheap Two silver dollar libertarian. You should know me better than that. I don't deal in absolutes when it comes to policy.YellowSnow said:
Agree. Let's get rid of ALL nonsensical regulations of our right to own whatever ever firearms we want.UW_Doog_Bot said:
The intention of the "anti-gun" people has never been to repeal the 2nd for the obvious reasons you state. It's too damn difficult and it's against popular opinion.YellowSnow said:
See below OBK. It doesn't matter if the Reds respect it or not. 26% or more of the states in this country aren't abandoning the 2nd amendment.oregonblitzkrieg said:This is the future if you don't vote. Socialists will eventually seize your guns. They have zero respect for the 2nd amendment. Putting cops in this position is unforgivable. Whoever is in charge of that state should be fucking arrested for violating the constitution.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
Instead, it's always been to attempt to re-frame the conversation and pass laws such as the "assault weapons ban" to make owning a firearm legally an extremely difficult task. Always in the name of public safety.
If I can only buy firearms licensed and regulated by the state it kind of defeats the point of them being a check and balance on the state's power.
argumentum ad absurdum: The 2nd amendment isn't repealed but "common sense" laws are passed that only guns produced by Racebannon can be legally sold and kept. Oh what's that you say? Race doesn't produce any guns? Tough shit, it's the law.
If you don't think federal regulators would ever make such nonsense laws then you've never dealt with a federal regulator.
The poont of the 2nd has been and should always be a check on the power of the state.
Instead of an arms race between civilians and the state how about we scale back the military industrial complex? or the surveillance state? capisci?
And yes, I think the licensing program for full auto actually should be expanded as I'm not sure there's ever been a mass shooting in modern American History that has involved a licensed automatic weapon. If you provide me evidence to the contrary I would be open to altering my opinion.
It's pointless to worry about the military industrial complex. It was a necessary evil forced upon us? by external actors. Furthermore, it's probably been more of a net positive to our nation than a negative. Think of all the kewl shit we have today as a result of all that Cold War R&D spending. Surveillance state is a necessary evil as well; if the A-rabs or whomever kill another 3,000 Americans, then we're going to get Patriot Act on steroids. The fact that we haven't had a major domestic terrorist attack in 17 years suggests that there is some ROI.
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I’m looking to pick up the CZ Scorpion Evo 3 S1 configured like this photo. That folding stock makes it a SBR and triggers the aggravation of the tax stamp.Swaye said:
Except I can't get my hands on an SP5K for any kind of decent price, and my local shop is on a waiting list for the new P365 - but that is more of a function of small H&K production and intense popularity for the former, and newness and utter coolness (plus a small recall) for the latter. I mostly just wanted to bitch about the fact that there are two guns I want and can't have immediately. Fuck.Southerndawg said:
Actually, gun sales have been slipping since the gun grabber left office. Ammo has gotten a lot cheaper and more plentiful too.YellowSnow said:
Exactly how are the 1st and 2nd Amendments losing ground? Guns sales have never been higher. People can get more and better guns in America than their fathers could ever have dreamed of. If you don't want to bake a cake for some feeg's wedding you don't have to. Trump is about to get another conservative justice on the court. Nothing to see here. Carry on.oregonblitzkrieg said:
The 1st and 2nd amendments are under attack in this country and its not a national emergency. Sure.gif. The Constitution IS THE LAW. Unlawful seizure of guns is forbidden. Making so called laws that violate the 2nd amendment is illegal. Those that do so should be arrested for acts that violate the constitution, not their opposition to the constitution. HTH.YellowSnow said:
Fucking Christ, you sound just like the same Reds and Nazi revolutionaries you abhor. We don't just start arresting enemies of theoregonblitzkrieg said:
Time to arrest people who violate the Constitution, including everyone involved in the creation of anti-constitutional state 'laws' that violate the 2nd amendment and allow gun seizure for spurious reasons. Time to arrest presidents of universities that don't honor the 1st amendment. Time to arrest sanctuary city mayors and governors of 'sanctuary states.' Time to put the ring sting on these bitches once and for all.YellowSnow said:
See below OBK. It doesn't matter if the Reds respect it or not. 26% or more of the states in this country aren't abandoning the 2nd amendment.oregonblitzkrieg said:This is the future if you don't vote. Socialists will eventually seize your guns. They have zero respect for the 2nd amendment. Putting cops in this position is unforgivable. Whoever is in charge of that state should be fucking arrested for violating the constitution.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.stateconstitution on America, unless its some sort of national emergency- e.g., Lincoln and habeas corpus, Roosevelt and Japanese, etc. I AM FOR RULE OF LAW.
Also, presidents of universities that violate the 1st amendment in their policies should also be arrested for acts that violate the Constitution and removed from their posts. For this reason:
That the First Amendment applies on the public university campus is settled law. Public universities have long occupied a special niche in the Supreme Court’s First Amendment jurisprudence. Indeed, the Court has held that First Amendment protections on campus are necessary for the preservation of our democracy
https://thefire.org/in-court/state-of-the-law-speech-codes/
Drunk drivers get arrested. Burglars get arrested. Sanctuary city mayors and sanctuary state governors are FLOUTING immigration law, and should also be arrested. I don't understand how you can claim to be for the rule of law and not see the validity of these positions.
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Cute. If you can get it as a pistol with a Sig Brace folder you'd save the $200.00 and 8 months.USMChawk said:
I’m looking to pick up the CZ Scorpion Evo 3 S1 configured like this photo. That folding stock makes it a SBR and triggers the aggravation of the tax stamp.Swaye said:
Except I can't get my hands on an SP5K for any kind of decent price, and my local shop is on a waiting list for the new P365 - but that is more of a function of small H&K production and intense popularity for the former, and newness and utter coolness (plus a small recall) for the latter. I mostly just wanted to bitch about the fact that there are two guns I want and can't have immediately. Fuck.Southerndawg said:
Actually, gun sales have been slipping since the gun grabber left office. Ammo has gotten a lot cheaper and more plentiful too.YellowSnow said:
Exactly how are the 1st and 2nd Amendments losing ground? Guns sales have never been higher. People can get more and better guns in America than their fathers could ever have dreamed of. If you don't want to bake a cake for some feeg's wedding you don't have to. Trump is about to get another conservative justice on the court. Nothing to see here. Carry on.oregonblitzkrieg said:
The 1st and 2nd amendments are under attack in this country and its not a national emergency. Sure.gif. The Constitution IS THE LAW. Unlawful seizure of guns is forbidden. Making so called laws that violate the 2nd amendment is illegal. Those that do so should be arrested for acts that violate the constitution, not their opposition to the constitution. HTH.YellowSnow said:
Fucking Christ, you sound just like the same Reds and Nazi revolutionaries you abhor. We don't just start arresting enemies of theoregonblitzkrieg said:
Time to arrest people who violate the Constitution, including everyone involved in the creation of anti-constitutional state 'laws' that violate the 2nd amendment and allow gun seizure for spurious reasons. Time to arrest presidents of universities that don't honor the 1st amendment. Time to arrest sanctuary city mayors and governors of 'sanctuary states.' Time to put the ring sting on these bitches once and for all.YellowSnow said:
See below OBK. It doesn't matter if the Reds respect it or not. 26% or more of the states in this country aren't abandoning the 2nd amendment.oregonblitzkrieg said:This is the future if you don't vote. Socialists will eventually seize your guns. They have zero respect for the 2nd amendment. Putting cops in this position is unforgivable. Whoever is in charge of that state should be fucking arrested for violating the constitution.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.stateconstitution on America, unless its some sort of national emergency- e.g., Lincoln and habeas corpus, Roosevelt and Japanese, etc. I AM FOR RULE OF LAW.
Also, presidents of universities that violate the 1st amendment in their policies should also be arrested for acts that violate the Constitution and removed from their posts. For this reason:
That the First Amendment applies on the public university campus is settled law. Public universities have long occupied a special niche in the Supreme Court’s First Amendment jurisprudence. Indeed, the Court has held that First Amendment protections on campus are necessary for the preservation of our democracy
https://thefire.org/in-court/state-of-the-law-speech-codes/
Drunk drivers get arrested. Burglars get arrested. Sanctuary city mayors and sanctuary state governors are FLOUTING immigration law, and should also be arrested. I don't understand how you can claim to be for the rule of law and not see the validity of these positions. -
As @Sledog mentions, when I finally find my SP5K, I plan to get the arm brace instead and avoid the 200 dollar stamp and wait time. I already have suppressors in NFA jail, I don't want to add a gun. I have a SIG MCX (9 inch barrel) in 300 BLK with a folding arm brace, and it works just fine as a shoulderable stock.USMChawk said:
I’m looking to pick up the CZ Scorpion Evo 3 S1 configured like this photo. That folding stock makes it a SBR and triggers the aggravation of the tax stamp.Swaye said:
Except I can't get my hands on an SP5K for any kind of decent price, and my local shop is on a waiting list for the new P365 - but that is more of a function of small H&K production and intense popularity for the former, and newness and utter coolness (plus a small recall) for the latter. I mostly just wanted to bitch about the fact that there are two guns I want and can't have immediately. Fuck.Southerndawg said:
Actually, gun sales have been slipping since the gun grabber left office. Ammo has gotten a lot cheaper and more plentiful too.YellowSnow said:
Exactly how are the 1st and 2nd Amendments losing ground? Guns sales have never been higher. People can get more and better guns in America than their fathers could ever have dreamed of. If you don't want to bake a cake for some feeg's wedding you don't have to. Trump is about to get another conservative justice on the court. Nothing to see here. Carry on.oregonblitzkrieg said:
The 1st and 2nd amendments are under attack in this country and its not a national emergency. Sure.gif. The Constitution IS THE LAW. Unlawful seizure of guns is forbidden. Making so called laws that violate the 2nd amendment is illegal. Those that do so should be arrested for acts that violate the constitution, not their opposition to the constitution. HTH.YellowSnow said:
Fucking Christ, you sound just like the same Reds and Nazi revolutionaries you abhor. We don't just start arresting enemies of theoregonblitzkrieg said:
Time to arrest people who violate the Constitution, including everyone involved in the creation of anti-constitutional state 'laws' that violate the 2nd amendment and allow gun seizure for spurious reasons. Time to arrest presidents of universities that don't honor the 1st amendment. Time to arrest sanctuary city mayors and governors of 'sanctuary states.' Time to put the ring sting on these bitches once and for all.YellowSnow said:
See below OBK. It doesn't matter if the Reds respect it or not. 26% or more of the states in this country aren't abandoning the 2nd amendment.oregonblitzkrieg said:This is the future if you don't vote. Socialists will eventually seize your guns. They have zero respect for the 2nd amendment. Putting cops in this position is unforgivable. Whoever is in charge of that state should be fucking arrested for violating the constitution.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.stateconstitution on America, unless its some sort of national emergency- e.g., Lincoln and habeas corpus, Roosevelt and Japanese, etc. I AM FOR RULE OF LAW.
Also, presidents of universities that violate the 1st amendment in their policies should also be arrested for acts that violate the Constitution and removed from their posts. For this reason:
That the First Amendment applies on the public university campus is settled law. Public universities have long occupied a special niche in the Supreme Court’s First Amendment jurisprudence. Indeed, the Court has held that First Amendment protections on campus are necessary for the preservation of our democracy
https://thefire.org/in-court/state-of-the-law-speech-codes/
Drunk drivers get arrested. Burglars get arrested. Sanctuary city mayors and sanctuary state governors are FLOUTING immigration law, and should also be arrested. I don't understand how you can claim to be for the rule of law and not see the validity of these positions.
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Swaye said:
As @Sledog mentions, when I finally find my SP5K, I plan to get the arm brace instead and avoid the 200 dollar stamp and wait time. I already have suppressors in NFA jail, I don't want to add a gun. I have a SIG MCX (9 inch barrel) in 300 BLK with a folding arm brace, and it works just fine as a shoulderable stock.USMChawk said:
I’m looking to pick up the CZ Scorpion Evo 3 S1 configured like this photo. That folding stock makes it a SBR and triggers the aggravation of the tax stamp.Swaye said:
Except I can't get my hands on an SP5K for any kind of decent price, and my local shop is on a waiting list for the new P365 - but that is more of a function of small H&K production and intense popularity for the former, and newness and utter coolness (plus a small recall) for the latter. I mostly just wanted to bitch about the fact that there are two guns I want and can't have immediately. Fuck.Southerndawg said:
Actually, gun sales have been slipping since the gun grabber left office. Ammo has gotten a lot cheaper and more plentiful too.YellowSnow said:
Exactly how are the 1st and 2nd Amendments losing ground? Guns sales have never been higher. People can get more and better guns in America than their fathers could ever have dreamed of. If you don't want to bake a cake for some feeg's wedding you don't have to. Trump is about to get another conservative justice on the court. Nothing to see here. Carry on.oregonblitzkrieg said:
The 1st and 2nd amendments are under attack in this country and its not a national emergency. Sure.gif. The Constitution IS THE LAW. Unlawful seizure of guns is forbidden. Making so called laws that violate the 2nd amendment is illegal. Those that do so should be arrested for acts that violate the constitution, not their opposition to the constitution. HTH.YellowSnow said:
Fucking Christ, you sound just like the same Reds and Nazi revolutionaries you abhor. We don't just start arresting enemies of theoregonblitzkrieg said:
Time to arrest people who violate the Constitution, including everyone involved in the creation of anti-constitutional state 'laws' that violate the 2nd amendment and allow gun seizure for spurious reasons. Time to arrest presidents of universities that don't honor the 1st amendment. Time to arrest sanctuary city mayors and governors of 'sanctuary states.' Time to put the ring sting on these bitches once and for all.YellowSnow said:
See below OBK. It doesn't matter if the Reds respect it or not. 26% or more of the states in this country aren't abandoning the 2nd amendment.oregonblitzkrieg said:This is the future if you don't vote. Socialists will eventually seize your guns. They have zero respect for the 2nd amendment. Putting cops in this position is unforgivable. Whoever is in charge of that state should be fucking arrested for violating the constitution.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.stateconstitution on America, unless its some sort of national emergency- e.g., Lincoln and habeas corpus, Roosevelt and Japanese, etc. I AM FOR RULE OF LAW.
Also, presidents of universities that violate the 1st amendment in their policies should also be arrested for acts that violate the Constitution and removed from their posts. For this reason:
That the First Amendment applies on the public university campus is settled law. Public universities have long occupied a special niche in the Supreme Court’s First Amendment jurisprudence. Indeed, the Court has held that First Amendment protections on campus are necessary for the preservation of our democracy
https://thefire.org/in-court/state-of-the-law-speech-codes/
Drunk drivers get arrested. Burglars get arrested. Sanctuary city mayors and sanctuary state governors are FLOUTING immigration law, and should also be arrested. I don't understand how you can claim to be for the rule of law and not see the validity of these positions.
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Picked up a Galil Ace sometrime back in 7.62x39 and it is one bad ass little gun. My .30 cal Gemtech can works pretty well on it.
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I've been thinking of adding a Galil to the stable after the P365 and the SP5K. Looks like a pretty sweet gun.Sledog said:Picked up a Galil Ace sometrime back in 7.62x39 and it is one bad ass little gun. My .30 cal Gemtech can works pretty well on it.
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Time to petition for a new bored. Swaye and Grundle's Brass, Sass and Ass Gun Shoppe?
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I’ve been considering the Shockwave Blade instead of the Sig Brace. I’m not a fan of the looks of braces, in general, but the Blade isn’t bad. The only downside to the Blade is the sharp edge and recoil don’t play well together. But that feedback comes from the AR forums. I can’t see it being an issue on a 9mm.Sledog said:
Cute. If you can get it as a pistol with a Sig Brace folder you'd save the $200.00 and 8 months.USMChawk said:
I’m looking to pick up the CZ Scorpion Evo 3 S1 configured like this photo. That folding stock makes it a SBR and triggers the aggravation of the tax stamp.Swaye said:
Except I can't get my hands on an SP5K for any kind of decent price, and my local shop is on a waiting list for the new P365 - but that is more of a function of small H&K production and intense popularity for the former, and newness and utter coolness (plus a small recall) for the latter. I mostly just wanted to bitch about the fact that there are two guns I want and can't have immediately. Fuck.Southerndawg said:
Actually, gun sales have been slipping since the gun grabber left office. Ammo has gotten a lot cheaper and more plentiful too.YellowSnow said:
Exactly how are the 1st and 2nd Amendments losing ground? Guns sales have never been higher. People can get more and better guns in America than their fathers could ever have dreamed of. If you don't want to bake a cake for some feeg's wedding you don't have to. Trump is about to get another conservative justice on the court. Nothing to see here. Carry on.oregonblitzkrieg said:
The 1st and 2nd amendments are under attack in this country and its not a national emergency. Sure.gif. The Constitution IS THE LAW. Unlawful seizure of guns is forbidden. Making so called laws that violate the 2nd amendment is illegal. Those that do so should be arrested for acts that violate the constitution, not their opposition to the constitution. HTH.YellowSnow said:
Fucking Christ, you sound just like the same Reds and Nazi revolutionaries you abhor. We don't just start arresting enemies of theoregonblitzkrieg said:
Time to arrest people who violate the Constitution, including everyone involved in the creation of anti-constitutional state 'laws' that violate the 2nd amendment and allow gun seizure for spurious reasons. Time to arrest presidents of universities that don't honor the 1st amendment. Time to arrest sanctuary city mayors and governors of 'sanctuary states.' Time to put the ring sting on these bitches once and for all.YellowSnow said:
See below OBK. It doesn't matter if the Reds respect it or not. 26% or more of the states in this country aren't abandoning the 2nd amendment.oregonblitzkrieg said:This is the future if you don't vote. Socialists will eventually seize your guns. They have zero respect for the 2nd amendment. Putting cops in this position is unforgivable. Whoever is in charge of that state should be fucking arrested for violating the constitution.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.stateconstitution on America, unless its some sort of national emergency- e.g., Lincoln and habeas corpus, Roosevelt and Japanese, etc. I AM FOR RULE OF LAW.
Also, presidents of universities that violate the 1st amendment in their policies should also be arrested for acts that violate the Constitution and removed from their posts. For this reason:
That the First Amendment applies on the public university campus is settled law. Public universities have long occupied a special niche in the Supreme Court’s First Amendment jurisprudence. Indeed, the Court has held that First Amendment protections on campus are necessary for the preservation of our democracy
https://thefire.org/in-court/state-of-the-law-speech-codes/
Drunk drivers get arrested. Burglars get arrested. Sanctuary city mayors and sanctuary state governors are FLOUTING immigration law, and should also be arrested. I don't understand how you can claim to be for the rule of law and not see the validity of these positions.
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Exactly. Any arm brace would pulverize you in .308, but if you do it with sub sonic 300BLK or 9MM, no big deal.USMChawk said:
I’ve been considering the Shockwave Blade instead of the Sig Brace. I’m not a fan of the looks of braces, in general, but the Blade isn’t bad. The only downside to the Blade is the sharp edge and recoil don’t play well together. But that feedback comes from the AR forums. I can’t see it being an issue on a 9mm.Sledog said:
Cute. If you can get it as a pistol with a Sig Brace folder you'd save the $200.00 and 8 months.USMChawk said:
I’m looking to pick up the CZ Scorpion Evo 3 S1 configured like this photo. That folding stock makes it a SBR and triggers the aggravation of the tax stamp.Swaye said:
Except I can't get my hands on an SP5K for any kind of decent price, and my local shop is on a waiting list for the new P365 - but that is more of a function of small H&K production and intense popularity for the former, and newness and utter coolness (plus a small recall) for the latter. I mostly just wanted to bitch about the fact that there are two guns I want and can't have immediately. Fuck.Southerndawg said:
Actually, gun sales have been slipping since the gun grabber left office. Ammo has gotten a lot cheaper and more plentiful too.YellowSnow said:
Exactly how are the 1st and 2nd Amendments losing ground? Guns sales have never been higher. People can get more and better guns in America than their fathers could ever have dreamed of. If you don't want to bake a cake for some feeg's wedding you don't have to. Trump is about to get another conservative justice on the court. Nothing to see here. Carry on.oregonblitzkrieg said:
The 1st and 2nd amendments are under attack in this country and its not a national emergency. Sure.gif. The Constitution IS THE LAW. Unlawful seizure of guns is forbidden. Making so called laws that violate the 2nd amendment is illegal. Those that do so should be arrested for acts that violate the constitution, not their opposition to the constitution. HTH.YellowSnow said:
Fucking Christ, you sound just like the same Reds and Nazi revolutionaries you abhor. We don't just start arresting enemies of theoregonblitzkrieg said:
Time to arrest people who violate the Constitution, including everyone involved in the creation of anti-constitutional state 'laws' that violate the 2nd amendment and allow gun seizure for spurious reasons. Time to arrest presidents of universities that don't honor the 1st amendment. Time to arrest sanctuary city mayors and governors of 'sanctuary states.' Time to put the ring sting on these bitches once and for all.YellowSnow said:
See below OBK. It doesn't matter if the Reds respect it or not. 26% or more of the states in this country aren't abandoning the 2nd amendment.oregonblitzkrieg said:This is the future if you don't vote. Socialists will eventually seize your guns. They have zero respect for the 2nd amendment. Putting cops in this position is unforgivable. Whoever is in charge of that state should be fucking arrested for violating the constitution.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.stateconstitution on America, unless its some sort of national emergency- e.g., Lincoln and habeas corpus, Roosevelt and Japanese, etc. I AM FOR RULE OF LAW.
Also, presidents of universities that violate the 1st amendment in their policies should also be arrested for acts that violate the Constitution and removed from their posts. For this reason:
That the First Amendment applies on the public university campus is settled law. Public universities have long occupied a special niche in the Supreme Court’s First Amendment jurisprudence. Indeed, the Court has held that First Amendment protections on campus are necessary for the preservation of our democracy
https://thefire.org/in-court/state-of-the-law-speech-codes/
Drunk drivers get arrested. Burglars get arrested. Sanctuary city mayors and sanctuary state governors are FLOUTING immigration law, and should also be arrested. I don't understand how you can claim to be for the rule of law and not see the validity of these positions. -
I'm pretty sure to liberals drawing a picture of Obama is racist.
Basically like Mohammed to a Muslim. -
If I told you how good it shoots you wouldn't believe me.Swaye said:
I've been thinking of adding a Galil to the stable after the P365 and the SP5K. Looks like a pretty sweet gun.Sledog said:Picked up a Galil Ace sometrime back in 7.62x39 and it is one bad ass little gun. My .30 cal Gemtech can works pretty well on it.
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Finally, some common sense gun legislation to stop school shootings!Sledog said:
If I told you how good it shoots you wouldn't believe me.Swaye said:
I've been thinking of adding a Galil to the stable after the P365 and the SP5K. Looks like a pretty sweet gun.Sledog said:Picked up a Galil Ace sometrime back in 7.62x39 and it is one bad ass little gun. My .30 cal Gemtech can works pretty well on it.
“Kinder-guardians”
No surprise it comes to us from the IDF. They know what they’re doing.
You should google it. -
As fake as you.CirrhosisDawg said:
Finally, some common sense gun legislation to stop school shootings!Sledog said:
If I told you how good it shoots you wouldn't believe me.Swaye said:
I've been thinking of adding a Galil to the stable after the P365 and the SP5K. Looks like a pretty sweet gun.Sledog said:Picked up a Galil Ace sometrime back in 7.62x39 and it is one bad ass little gun. My .30 cal Gemtech can works pretty well on it.
“Kinder-guardians”
No surprise it comes to us from the IDF. They know what they’re doing.
You should google it. -
It’s got the backing of the gop gun lobby.Sledog said:
As fake as you.CirrhosisDawg said:
Finally, some common sense gun legislation to stop school shootings!Sledog said:
If I told you how good it shoots you wouldn't believe me.Swaye said:
I've been thinking of adding a Galil to the stable after the P365 and the SP5K. Looks like a pretty sweet gun.Sledog said:Picked up a Galil Ace sometrime back in 7.62x39 and it is one bad ass little gun. My .30 cal Gemtech can works pretty well on it.
“Kinder-guardians”
No surprise it comes to us from the IDF. They know what they’re doing.
You should google it.
There’s a documentary about it airing tonight.
It’s about stopping school shootings. Thought you’d be on board.
Kinder-grenaders
MAGA! -
Yep. Chain of custody. You are your weapon. Whatever it does, you did, until there is a bill of sale or a police report for theft preceding the shit that went down.YellowSnow said:I am against taking away citizen's legally owned firearms w/o due process. BUT part of the Yella Platform is that if you have a minor who gets a hold of one of your gun's and shoots someone at school, you're just as fucking guilty and will get the death penalty. You want to own the guns great, but with that privilege comes great responsibility.
And then the courts can figure it out after that.
Be it a minor or anyone in my book. -
Hondo as much as we and I rib you, we do need to meet for a soda. I visit the dream city 4 times a year on average. My bluster on here is about a tenth of what I would say to your face.2001400ex said:
I did for 12 years. Spokompton now. But yes. Fake hysteria is great for gun manufacturers.Southerndawg said:
Do you really live in Montana?2001400ex said:
That's what happens when the NRA can't create hysteria with full control of Congress.Southerndawg said:
Actually, gun sales have been slipping since the gun grabber left office. Ammo has gotten a lot cheaper and more plentiful too.YellowSnow said:
Exactly how are the 1st and 2nd Amendments losing ground? Guns sales have never been higher. People can get more and better guns in America than their fathers could ever have dreamed of. If you don't want to bake a cake for some feeg's wedding you don't have to. Trump is about to get another conservative justice on the court. Nothing to see here. Carry on.oregonblitzkrieg said:
The 1st and 2nd amendments are under attack in this country and its not a national emergency. Sure.gif. The Constitution IS THE LAW. Unlawful seizure of guns is forbidden. Making so called laws that violate the 2nd amendment is illegal. Those that do so should be arrested for acts that violate the constitution, not their opposition to the constitution. HTH.YellowSnow said:
Fucking Christ, you sound just like the same Reds and Nazi revolutionaries you abhor. We don't just start arresting enemies of theoregonblitzkrieg said:
Time to arrest people who violate the Constitution, including everyone involved in the creation of anti-constitutional state 'laws' that violate the 2nd amendment and allow gun seizure for spurious reasons. Time to arrest presidents of universities that don't honor the 1st amendment. Time to arrest sanctuary city mayors and governors of 'sanctuary states.' Time to put the ring sting on these bitches once and for all.YellowSnow said:
See below OBK. It doesn't matter if the Reds respect it or not. 26% or more of the states in this country aren't abandoning the 2nd amendment.oregonblitzkrieg said:This is the future if you don't vote. Socialists will eventually seize your guns. They have zero respect for the 2nd amendment. Putting cops in this position is unforgivable. Whoever is in charge of that state should be fucking arrested for violating the constitution.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.stateconstitution on America, unless its some sort of national emergency- e.g., Lincoln and habeas corpus, Roosevelt and Japanese, etc. I AM FOR RULE OF LAW.
Also, presidents of universities that violate the 1st amendment in their policies should also be arrested for acts that violate the Constitution and removed from their posts. For this reason:
That the First Amendment applies on the public university campus is settled law. Public universities have long occupied a special niche in the Supreme Court’s First Amendment jurisprudence. Indeed, the Court has held that First Amendment protections on campus are necessary for the preservation of our democracy
https://thefire.org/in-court/state-of-the-law-speech-codes/
Drunk drivers get arrested. Burglars get arrested. Sanctuary city mayors and sanctuary state governors are FLOUTING immigration law, and should also be arrested. I don't understand how you can claim to be for the rule of law and not see the validity of these positions.
And my luck would be that Hondo is the 6’5” Ranger I wished I would have missed the flight for. Despite what @PurpleThrobber says, it seems He’s deep in the streets with Spokompton cred. So maybe we get him in too.
I’ll hit ya when I head that way. We need to have a HH meetup, Eastside Pride style.
So with said, who are my other Dream City dwags up in dis bitch!!!!
We did this shit Cougfan style, the night before young, rich, cool and then 55-16 back in ‘03 in Eugene and I have to admit Half of them were fags. Still a great Tim though.
I’m confident now that Jo Jeans has been raided and closed, you’ll still be able to come up with a suitable venue.
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Lol it's all fun and games. I'd meet up to represent the east side.salemcoog said:
Hondo as much as we and I rib you, we do need to meet for a soda. I visit the dream city 4 times a year on average. My bluster on here is about a tenth of what I would say to your face.2001400ex said:
I did for 12 years. Spokompton now. But yes. Fake hysteria is great for gun manufacturers.Southerndawg said:
Do you really live in Montana?2001400ex said:
That's what happens when the NRA can't create hysteria with full control of Congress.Southerndawg said:
Actually, gun sales have been slipping since the gun grabber left office. Ammo has gotten a lot cheaper and more plentiful too.YellowSnow said:
Exactly how are the 1st and 2nd Amendments losing ground? Guns sales have never been higher. People can get more and better guns in America than their fathers could ever have dreamed of. If you don't want to bake a cake for some feeg's wedding you don't have to. Trump is about to get another conservative justice on the court. Nothing to see here. Carry on.oregonblitzkrieg said:
The 1st and 2nd amendments are under attack in this country and its not a national emergency. Sure.gif. The Constitution IS THE LAW. Unlawful seizure of guns is forbidden. Making so called laws that violate the 2nd amendment is illegal. Those that do so should be arrested for acts that violate the constitution, not their opposition to the constitution. HTH.YellowSnow said:
Fucking Christ, you sound just like the same Reds and Nazi revolutionaries you abhor. We don't just start arresting enemies of theoregonblitzkrieg said:
Time to arrest people who violate the Constitution, including everyone involved in the creation of anti-constitutional state 'laws' that violate the 2nd amendment and allow gun seizure for spurious reasons. Time to arrest presidents of universities that don't honor the 1st amendment. Time to arrest sanctuary city mayors and governors of 'sanctuary states.' Time to put the ring sting on these bitches once and for all.YellowSnow said:
See below OBK. It doesn't matter if the Reds respect it or not. 26% or more of the states in this country aren't abandoning the 2nd amendment.oregonblitzkrieg said:This is the future if you don't vote. Socialists will eventually seize your guns. They have zero respect for the 2nd amendment. Putting cops in this position is unforgivable. Whoever is in charge of that state should be fucking arrested for violating the constitution.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.stateconstitution on America, unless its some sort of national emergency- e.g., Lincoln and habeas corpus, Roosevelt and Japanese, etc. I AM FOR RULE OF LAW.
Also, presidents of universities that violate the 1st amendment in their policies should also be arrested for acts that violate the Constitution and removed from their posts. For this reason:
That the First Amendment applies on the public university campus is settled law. Public universities have long occupied a special niche in the Supreme Court’s First Amendment jurisprudence. Indeed, the Court has held that First Amendment protections on campus are necessary for the preservation of our democracy
https://thefire.org/in-court/state-of-the-law-speech-codes/
Drunk drivers get arrested. Burglars get arrested. Sanctuary city mayors and sanctuary state governors are FLOUTING immigration law, and should also be arrested. I don't understand how you can claim to be for the rule of law and not see the validity of these positions.
And my luck would be that Hondo is the 6’5” Ranger I wished I would have missed the flight for. Despite what @PurpleThrobber says, it seems He’s deep in the streets with Spokompton cred. So maybe we get him in too.
I’ll hit ya when I head that way. We need to have a HH meetup, Eastside Pride style.
So with said, who are my other Dream City dwags up in dis bitch!!!!
We did this shit Cougfan style, the night before young, rich, cool and then 55-16 back in ‘03 in Eugene and I have to admit Half of them were fags. Still a great Tim though.
I’m confident now that Jo Jeans has been raided and closed, you’ll still be able to come up with a suitable venue. -
So those big rental truck companies CEO's are all in prison?salemcoog said:
Yep. Chain of custody. You are your weapon. Whatever it does, you did, until there is a bill of sale or a police report for theft preceding the shit that went down.YellowSnow said:I am against taking away citizen's legally owned firearms w/o due process. BUT part of the Yella Platform is that if you have a minor who gets a hold of one of your gun's and shoots someone at school, you're just as fucking guilty and will get the death penalty. You want to own the guns great, but with that privilege comes great responsibility.
And then the courts can figure it out after that.
Be it a minor or anyone in my book. -
That’s stupid. Someone signed off on the rental agreement to take custody of the truck. No one rents guns. And if there is some sort of gun rental service, whoever rented the gun would absolve the owner of any wrong doing when signing the rental agreement and taking custody.Sledog said:
So those big rental truck companies CEO's are all in prison?salemcoog said:
Yep. Chain of custody. You are your weapon. Whatever it does, you did, until there is a bill of sale or a police report for theft preceding the shit that went down.YellowSnow said:I am against taking away citizen's legally owned firearms w/o due process. BUT part of the Yella Platform is that if you have a minor who gets a hold of one of your gun's and shoots someone at school, you're just as fucking guilty and will get the death penalty. You want to own the guns great, but with that privilege comes great responsibility.
And then the courts can figure it out after that.
Be it a minor or anyone in my book.
