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But that wasn’t real Democratic Socliasm like Sweden has.......oregonblitzkrieg said:Hugo Chavez got voted into power too. People forget that once upon a time Venezuela was a rich and thriving democracy until socialists were voted in and killed it, turning it into a quagmire of fail. Now it's a dictatorship and the rest of the details everyone here already knows.
Simple question. Why will your socialists succeed when the others before them failed without exception? How will Bernie's socialists avoid the pitfalls of their predecessors -- Lenin's socialists, Stalin's socialists, Hitler's socialists, Mao's socialists, Pol Pot's socialists, Chavez's socialists? -
MikeDamone said:
I took a pole. Turned out 81% of Americans support not working but be given a lifestyle of a billionaire. With support like that how could it be considered extreme?</blockquoteallpurpleallgold said:
“Extreme”2001400ex said:
Exactly, there are some fucktarded liberals/Dems out there and Bernie supporters who want that platform. Problem with the house of Representatives, there are districts where anyone with a D next to their name will win. Same with conservative districts, anyone with an R will win. Because the district is 80% liberal or conservative. So it invites the extreme on both sides to run and win. Which is why Congress has a 10% approval rating yet 90% of them get voted back in every two years.GrundleStiltzkin said:
With that, I actually agree. Some Proggys feel like they're about to ride the Red Tide into shore, and some conservatives seem to believe that to. If there's a pragmatist left in @DNC HQ, they'll stomp that down real quick.2001400ex said:
It's a fucktarded platform for sure.Swaye said:
Okay, I'll bite.2001400ex said:
We? pay for Medicare and college. It doesn't say free in her platform. Same with your open borders comment. You are usually smarter than that but right there you sound like Race and sledog.Swaye said:
I like supporting seniors and clean campaign finance reform. She can pack gun control in her cunt. WTF is solidarity with Puerto Rico?allpurpleallgold said:
I hope the Dems run on this exact platform in 2018. Free housing, jobs, college and health care, open borders, and gay Puerto Ricans. Sounds like a winner.
She says "abolish ICE," which effectively is open borders when there is no longer any enforcement of immigration laws. Sure, technically, it only becomes open borders once they cross it without getting scooped up, so I'll give you that. If they don;t tunnel in or swim the river secretly, or get carried over in a truck, and get caught, they will be detained. But, she wants no ICE, which means nothing happens when they are here, at all. Also, I am giving you the BOD that "Immigration Justice" doesn't mean doing away with Border Patrol, which it probably does.
Medicare for ALL. Sounds free to me.
Housing as a human right. Sounds like something that will be free or heavily subsidized at the least.
Higher education for ALL. Sounds free to me.
So, we can go round and round about exact wording all day long, you know, and I know, that she means significant government intervention for people of color or poor folks - from reduced cost all the way to FREE. Some sliding scale I'm sure, but if she was Queen for a day, it would be FREE healthcare, housing and college for millions on whatever litmus test she instituted.
I hope your Dems run on this platform. I'll be delighted in fact.
Abolish ICE is like repeal and replace Obamacare. They aren't advocating to end ICE and have zero enforcement of borders. Do some homework man.
Dems aren't running that platform and I do chuckle at how people freak out about someone who won a primary with 14k votes.
51% of Americans support government run healthcare for everyone.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2018/04/12/National-Politics/Polling/release_517.xml
63% of Americans support tuition free college, including more republicans supporting it than against it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/static.theintercept.com/amp/free-college-tuition-republicans-bernie-sanders.html
48% support universal basic income.
https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/policy/technology/375587-gallup-poll-americans-split-on-giving-a-universal-basic-income-to-workers?amp
Abolishing ICE is extreme. Right now. Because none of you dumb fucks pay attention. “We absolutely do need to make sure that our borders are secure”. That quote is from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. The extreme leftist that wants open borders. It’s not abolish ice and have open borders. It’s abolish ice and replace it with something better.
Abolish ice has low poll numbers but so does ice with just 37% of Americans having a favorable view of it. Just like everything I listed above started with bad poll numbers abolish ice, once people hear what the plan is instead of the propaganda, will rise.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b3a3916e4b08c3a8f6c803d
Keep telling me about how extreme views held by half the country or more are. How we’ll never win in the Midwest even though Bernie spanked Hillary in the Midwest (sorry for the mental image). Keep telling me progressives can’t win when we Richard Ojeda leading in polls as a progressive running for senate is West Fucking Virginia. Keep up the lies, buy into the propaganda, because in the end you’re only fooling yourselves.
If you can provide evidence that you conducted this poll I’ll address it. Otherwise, I don’t deal in hypotheticals. -
It’s actually, the same poles you quoted. The question is “if you were given a lot of stuff that you didn’t have to work for, would you like that”?allpurpleallgold said:MikeDamone said:
I took a pole. Turned out 81% of Americans support not working but be given a lifestyle of a billionaire. With support like that how could it be considered extreme?allpurpleallgold said:
“Extreme”2001400ex said:
Exactly, there are some fucktarded liberals/Dems out there and Bernie supporters who want that platform. Problem with the house of Representatives, there are districts where anyone with a D next to their name will win. Same with conservative districts, anyone with an R will win. Because the district is 80% liberal or conservative. So it invites the extreme on both sides to run and win. Which is why Congress has a 10% approval rating yet 90% of them get voted back in every two years.GrundleStiltzkin said:
With that, I actually agree. Some Proggys feel like they're about to ride the Red Tide into shore, and some conservatives seem to believe that to. If there's a pragmatist left in @DNC HQ, they'll stomp that down real quick.2001400ex said:
It's a fucktarded platform for sure.Swaye said:
Okay, I'll bite.2001400ex said:
We? pay for Medicare and college. It doesn't say free in her platform. Same with your open borders comment. You are usually smarter than that but right there you sound like Race and sledog.Swaye said:
I like supporting seniors and clean campaign finance reform. She can pack gun control in her cunt. WTF is solidarity with Puerto Rico?allpurpleallgold said:
I hope the Dems run on this exact platform in 2018. Free housing, jobs, college and health care, open borders, and gay Puerto Ricans. Sounds like a winner.
She says "abolish ICE," which effectively is open borders when there is no longer any enforcement of immigration laws. Sure, technically, it only becomes open borders once they cross it without getting scooped up, so I'll give you that. If they don;t tunnel in or swim the river secretly, or get carried over in a truck, and get caught, they will be detained. But, she wants no ICE, which means nothing happens when they are here, at all. Also, I am giving you the BOD that "Immigration Justice" doesn't mean doing away with Border Patrol, which it probably does.
Medicare for ALL. Sounds free to me.
Housing as a human right. Sounds like something that will be free or heavily subsidized at the least.
Higher education for ALL. Sounds free to me.
So, we can go round and round about exact wording all day long, you know, and I know, that she means significant government intervention for people of color or poor folks - from reduced cost all the way to FREE. Some sliding scale I'm sure, but if she was Queen for a day, it would be FREE healthcare, housing and college for millions on whatever litmus test she instituted.
I hope your Dems run on this platform. I'll be delighted in fact.
Abolish ICE is like repeal and replace Obamacare. They aren't advocating to end ICE and have zero enforcement of borders. Do some homework man.
Dems aren't running that platform and I do chuckle at how people freak out about someone who won a primary with 14k votes.
51% of Americans support government run healthcare for everyone.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2018/04/12/National-Politics/Polling/release_517.xml
63% of Americans support tuition free college, including more republicans supporting it than against it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/static.theintercept.com/amp/free-college-tuition-republicans-bernie-sanders.html
48% support universal basic income.
https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/policy/technology/375587-gallup-poll-americans-split-on-giving-a-universal-basic-income-to-workers?amp
Abolishing ICE is extreme. Right now. Because none of you dumb fucks pay attention. “We absolutely do need to make sure that our borders are secure”. That quote is from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. The extreme leftist that wants open borders. It’s not abolish ice and have open borders. It’s abolish ice and replace it with something better.
Abolish ice has low poll numbers but so does ice with just 37% of Americans having a favorable view of it. Just like everything I listed above started with bad poll numbers abolish ice, once people hear what the plan is instead of the propaganda, will rise.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b3a3916e4b08c3a8f6c803d
Keep telling me about how extreme views held by half the country or more are. How we’ll never win in the Midwest even though Bernie spanked Hillary in the Midwest (sorry for the mental image). Keep telling me progressives can’t win when we Richard Ojeda leading in polls as a progressive running for senate is West Fucking Virginia. Keep up the lies, buy into the propaganda, because in the end you’re only fooling yourselves. -
Great job taking a quote out of context. Dumbfuck.Sledog said:
Your dream girl does.2001400ex said:
You found that he supposedly wore a t-shirt saying that.USMChawk said:
Keith Ellison. Still a Congressman. Still a Democrat.2001400ex said:
Yet you can't find any Democrat in Congress who wants open borders.USMChawk said:2001400ex said:
Derek and his minions are right wing, Fox news, dicksuckers. While some are college educated, most, like you, can't think for themselves.USMChawk said:
As I constantly have to ‘click to reveal’ your downvoted posts, Occam’s Razor infers that it’s you that’s fucktarded.2001400ex said:
Your link is fucktarded.USMChawk said:
My logic? You asked for one link and I provided it. Now you’re just deflecting.2001400ex said:
Using your logic, all of Fox news are white supremacists.USMChawk said:
Keith Ellison, the Deputy Chair of the DNC, was photographed wearing a shirt that translates to “I Don’t Believe in Borders”.2001400ex said:
You still haven't produced one link saying they want open borders. Other than conservative bullshitRaceBannon said:
Yes they are2001400ex said:
Use critical thinking. The abolish ICE thing is dumb and most Americans, like you, aren't smart enough to understand what they are saying. That being said, no politician is advocating, or wanting to, have open borders.Southerndawg said:
The "Party of the People"2001400ex said:
What party is that exactly?YellowSnow said:So apparently black Americans are even more raysiss than white Americans when it comes to immigration policy. @RaceBannon true?
But the times, to coin a phrase, they are a changin’. Democrats who believe that they have a permanent hold on the African-American vote should take a look at how these voters view their position on immigration. A recent Harvard-Harris survey found that African-Americans are the racial group most opposed to unlimited immigration. Whereas 79 percent of whites want to prioritize legal immigrants based on what they can contribute to our society, fully 85 percent of African-Americans hold that view. A party that advocates open borders and the abolition of ICE is going to get fewer and fewer of their votes.
https://spectator.org/the-next-american-revolution-walkaway/
Just because it is political suicide doesn't make it not so
The old Americans are too stupid to understand the brilliance of the democrats bullshit being trotted out here
Americans are too smart to buy the shit
If you don't want border enforcement you want open borders
Period fucking end of story
http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/25/keith-ellison-poses-with-stolen-land-sign/
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/395650-guilflyle-photographed-with-pizzagate-conspiracy-theorist?amp
HTH
No one of any influence in the legislative process wants open borders. But your news source tells you they do so you believe it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/8/hillary-clinton-dreams-open-borders-leaked-speech-/ -
Because we’re not socialists.oregonblitzkrieg said:Hugo Chavez got voted into power too. People forget that once upon a time Venezuela was a rich and thriving democracy until socialists were voted in and killed it, turning it into a quagmire of fail. Now it's a dictatorship and the rest of the details everyone here already knows.
Simple question. Why will your socialists succeed when the others before them failed without exception? How will Bernie's socialists avoid the pitfalls of their predecessors -- Lenin's socialists, Stalin's socialists, Hitler's socialists, Mao's socialists, Pol Pot's socialists, Chavez's socialists, Fidel's socialists? -
Great mansplaining as always.2001400ex said:
Great job taking a quote out of context. Dumbfuck.Sledog said:
Your dream girl does.2001400ex said:
You found that he supposedly wore a t-shirt saying that.USMChawk said:
Keith Ellison. Still a Congressman. Still a Democrat.2001400ex said:
Yet you can't find any Democrat in Congress who wants open borders.USMChawk said:2001400ex said:
Derek and his minions are right wing, Fox news, dicksuckers. While some are college educated, most, like you, can't think for themselves.USMChawk said:
As I constantly have to ‘click to reveal’ your downvoted posts, Occam’s Razor infers that it’s you that’s fucktarded.2001400ex said:
Your link is fucktarded.USMChawk said:
My logic? You asked for one link and I provided it. Now you’re just deflecting.2001400ex said:
Using your logic, all of Fox news are white supremacists.USMChawk said:
Keith Ellison, the Deputy Chair of the DNC, was photographed wearing a shirt that translates to “I Don’t Believe in Borders”.2001400ex said:
You still haven't produced one link saying they want open borders. Other than conservative bullshitRaceBannon said:
Yes they are2001400ex said:
Use critical thinking. The abolish ICE thing is dumb and most Americans, like you, aren't smart enough to understand what they are saying. That being said, no politician is advocating, or wanting to, have open borders.Southerndawg said:
The "Party of the People"2001400ex said:
What party is that exactly?YellowSnow said:So apparently black Americans are even more raysiss than white Americans when it comes to immigration policy. @RaceBannon true?
But the times, to coin a phrase, they are a changin’. Democrats who believe that they have a permanent hold on the African-American vote should take a look at how these voters view their position on immigration. A recent Harvard-Harris survey found that African-Americans are the racial group most opposed to unlimited immigration. Whereas 79 percent of whites want to prioritize legal immigrants based on what they can contribute to our society, fully 85 percent of African-Americans hold that view. A party that advocates open borders and the abolition of ICE is going to get fewer and fewer of their votes.
https://spectator.org/the-next-american-revolution-walkaway/
Just because it is political suicide doesn't make it not so
The old Americans are too stupid to understand the brilliance of the democrats bullshit being trotted out here
Americans are too smart to buy the shit
If you don't want border enforcement you want open borders
Period fucking end of story
http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/25/keith-ellison-poses-with-stolen-land-sign/
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/395650-guilflyle-photographed-with-pizzagate-conspiracy-theorist?amp
HTH
No one of any influence in the legislative process wants open borders. But your news source tells you they do so you believe it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/8/hillary-clinton-dreams-open-borders-leaked-speech-/ -
Who’s not working?MikeDamone said:
It’s actually, the same poles you quoted. The question is “if you were given a lot of stuff that you didn’t have to work for, would you like that”?allpurpleallgold said:MikeDamone said:
I took a pole. Turned out 81% of Americans support not working but be given a lifestyle of a billionaire. With support like that how could it be considered extreme?allpurpleallgold said:
“Extreme”2001400ex said:
Exactly, there are some fucktarded liberals/Dems out there and Bernie supporters who want that platform. Problem with the house of Representatives, there are districts where anyone with a D next to their name will win. Same with conservative districts, anyone with an R will win. Because the district is 80% liberal or conservative. So it invites the extreme on both sides to run and win. Which is why Congress has a 10% approval rating yet 90% of them get voted back in every two years.GrundleStiltzkin said:
With that, I actually agree. Some Proggys feel like they're about to ride the Red Tide into shore, and some conservatives seem to believe that to. If there's a pragmatist left in @DNC HQ, they'll stomp that down real quick.2001400ex said:
It's a fucktarded platform for sure.Swaye said:
Okay, I'll bite.2001400ex said:
We? pay for Medicare and college. It doesn't say free in her platform. Same with your open borders comment. You are usually smarter than that but right there you sound like Race and sledog.Swaye said:
I like supporting seniors and clean campaign finance reform. She can pack gun control in her cunt. WTF is solidarity with Puerto Rico?allpurpleallgold said:
I hope the Dems run on this exact platform in 2018. Free housing, jobs, college and health care, open borders, and gay Puerto Ricans. Sounds like a winner.
She says "abolish ICE," which effectively is open borders when there is no longer any enforcement of immigration laws. Sure, technically, it only becomes open borders once they cross it without getting scooped up, so I'll give you that. If they don;t tunnel in or swim the river secretly, or get carried over in a truck, and get caught, they will be detained. But, she wants no ICE, which means nothing happens when they are here, at all. Also, I am giving you the BOD that "Immigration Justice" doesn't mean doing away with Border Patrol, which it probably does.
Medicare for ALL. Sounds free to me.
Housing as a human right. Sounds like something that will be free or heavily subsidized at the least.
Higher education for ALL. Sounds free to me.
So, we can go round and round about exact wording all day long, you know, and I know, that she means significant government intervention for people of color or poor folks - from reduced cost all the way to FREE. Some sliding scale I'm sure, but if she was Queen for a day, it would be FREE healthcare, housing and college for millions on whatever litmus test she instituted.
I hope your Dems run on this platform. I'll be delighted in fact.
Abolish ICE is like repeal and replace Obamacare. They aren't advocating to end ICE and have zero enforcement of borders. Do some homework man.
Dems aren't running that platform and I do chuckle at how people freak out about someone who won a primary with 14k votes.
51% of Americans support government run healthcare for everyone.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2018/04/12/National-Politics/Polling/release_517.xml
63% of Americans support tuition free college, including more republicans supporting it than against it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/static.theintercept.com/amp/free-college-tuition-republicans-bernie-sanders.html
48% support universal basic income.
https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/policy/technology/375587-gallup-poll-americans-split-on-giving-a-universal-basic-income-to-workers?amp
Abolishing ICE is extreme. Right now. Because none of you dumb fucks pay attention. “We absolutely do need to make sure that our borders are secure”. That quote is from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. The extreme leftist that wants open borders. It’s not abolish ice and have open borders. It’s abolish ice and replace it with something better.
Abolish ice has low poll numbers but so does ice with just 37% of Americans having a favorable view of it. Just like everything I listed above started with bad poll numbers abolish ice, once people hear what the plan is instead of the propaganda, will rise.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b3a3916e4b08c3a8f6c803d
Keep telling me about how extreme views held by half the country or more are. How we’ll never win in the Midwest even though Bernie spanked Hillary in the Midwest (sorry for the mental image). Keep telling me progressives can’t win when we Richard Ojeda leading in polls as a progressive running for senate is West Fucking Virginia. Keep up the lies, buy into the propaganda, because in the end you’re only fooling yourselves. -
I won’t be if the New Jersey girl gets her plan in pl;ace.allpurpleallgold said:
Who’s not working?MikeDamone said:
It’s actually, the same poles you quoted. The question is “if you were given a lot of stuff that you didn’t have to work for, would you like that”?allpurpleallgold said:MikeDamone said:
I took a pole. Turned out 81% of Americans support not working but be given a lifestyle of a billionaire. With support like that how could it be considered extreme?allpurpleallgold said:
“Extreme”2001400ex said:
Exactly, there are some fucktarded liberals/Dems out there and Bernie supporters who want that platform. Problem with the house of Representatives, there are districts where anyone with a D next to their name will win. Same with conservative districts, anyone with an R will win. Because the district is 80% liberal or conservative. So it invites the extreme on both sides to run and win. Which is why Congress has a 10% approval rating yet 90% of them get voted back in every two years.GrundleStiltzkin said:
With that, I actually agree. Some Proggys feel like they're about to ride the Red Tide into shore, and some conservatives seem to believe that to. If there's a pragmatist left in @DNC HQ, they'll stomp that down real quick.2001400ex said:
It's a fucktarded platform for sure.Swaye said:
Okay, I'll bite.2001400ex said:
We? pay for Medicare and college. It doesn't say free in her platform. Same with your open borders comment. You are usually smarter than that but right there you sound like Race and sledog.Swaye said:
I like supporting seniors and clean campaign finance reform. She can pack gun control in her cunt. WTF is solidarity with Puerto Rico?allpurpleallgold said:
I hope the Dems run on this exact platform in 2018. Free housing, jobs, college and health care, open borders, and gay Puerto Ricans. Sounds like a winner.
She says "abolish ICE," which effectively is open borders when there is no longer any enforcement of immigration laws. Sure, technically, it only becomes open borders once they cross it without getting scooped up, so I'll give you that. If they don;t tunnel in or swim the river secretly, or get carried over in a truck, and get caught, they will be detained. But, she wants no ICE, which means nothing happens when they are here, at all. Also, I am giving you the BOD that "Immigration Justice" doesn't mean doing away with Border Patrol, which it probably does.
Medicare for ALL. Sounds free to me.
Housing as a human right. Sounds like something that will be free or heavily subsidized at the least.
Higher education for ALL. Sounds free to me.
So, we can go round and round about exact wording all day long, you know, and I know, that she means significant government intervention for people of color or poor folks - from reduced cost all the way to FREE. Some sliding scale I'm sure, but if she was Queen for a day, it would be FREE healthcare, housing and college for millions on whatever litmus test she instituted.
I hope your Dems run on this platform. I'll be delighted in fact.
Abolish ICE is like repeal and replace Obamacare. They aren't advocating to end ICE and have zero enforcement of borders. Do some homework man.
Dems aren't running that platform and I do chuckle at how people freak out about someone who won a primary with 14k votes.
51% of Americans support government run healthcare for everyone.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2018/04/12/National-Politics/Polling/release_517.xml
63% of Americans support tuition free college, including more republicans supporting it than against it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/static.theintercept.com/amp/free-college-tuition-republicans-bernie-sanders.html
48% support universal basic income.
https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/policy/technology/375587-gallup-poll-americans-split-on-giving-a-universal-basic-income-to-workers?amp
Abolishing ICE is extreme. Right now. Because none of you dumb fucks pay attention. “We absolutely do need to make sure that our borders are secure”. That quote is from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. The extreme leftist that wants open borders. It’s not abolish ice and have open borders. It’s abolish ice and replace it with something better.
Abolish ice has low poll numbers but so does ice with just 37% of Americans having a favorable view of it. Just like everything I listed above started with bad poll numbers abolish ice, once people hear what the plan is instead of the propaganda, will rise.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b3a3916e4b08c3a8f6c803d
Keep telling me about how extreme views held by half the country or more are. How we’ll never win in the Midwest even though Bernie spanked Hillary in the Midwest (sorry for the mental image). Keep telling me progressives can’t win when we Richard Ojeda leading in polls as a progressive running for senate is West Fucking Virginia. Keep up the lies, buy into the propaganda, because in the end you’re only fooling yourselves. -
I believe you when you say that you aren't a socialist. I believe that, because you explained it in another thread. I just don't believe that the leadership of the socialist movement has good intentions, or shares your version of patriotism. Even you acknowledged that there is going to be a problem with millennials when it comes to issues like free speech and fucking with the constitution.allpurpleallgold said:
Because we’re not socialists.oregonblitzkrieg said:Hugo Chavez got voted into power too. People forget that once upon a time Venezuela was a rich and thriving democracy until socialists were voted in and killed it, turning it into a quagmire of fail. Now it's a dictatorship and the rest of the details everyone here already knows.
Simple question. Why will your socialists succeed when the others before them failed without exception? How will Bernie's socialists avoid the pitfalls of their predecessors -- Lenin's socialists, Stalin's socialists, Hitler's socialists, Mao's socialists, Pol Pot's socialists, Chavez's socialists, Fidel's socialists? -
We own guns so we can prevent Shit like this. HTH
