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  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    dflea said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Sledog said:

    The uber lefties on the board are appalled we attacked those poor hapless Germans who were just minding their own business.

    The conservatives at the time thought the POTUS in 1944 was the left wing appocolypse.
    For the record, lots of economists agree and that the New Deal was horrible policy. Video is a bit dry, but decent, and she's hot. So maybe even @Swaye will watch it on mute.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWAgt_YCNuw

    Of course, all the poly sci/social science majors will tell you that the New Deal was a huge success bc reasons...

    FDR's death probably saved us all a lot of socialist bullshit.
    The end of WWII ended the Depression. Not the New Deal. We can all agree upon this.

    That said, even if it was not necessarily the best economic approach, it was still a political necessity. And long term, there's still a lot of long term benefit from legislation like SStax free retirement incentives, FDIC.

    And for Christ's sake, we can not forget the god damned damns. W/o Grand Coulee, Bonneville, and TVA, WWII takes a lot longer to win- i.e., no cheap and readily available electricity for aluminum and uranium/plutonium enrichment. Maybe, but that was hardly the reason for them being built, hindsight and tangential benefits.
    An article explaining some of this

    p.s. My knowledge of economic history isn't from youtube. It's from my BS in Economics from UW and from the time I've spent doing economic reading/research. Far greater economists than me have these opinions valid hypotheses backed by data. I'm just attempting to find things that are more entertaining than reading dry ass academis research papers for the rest of you.
    An econ degree is a BA degree, isn't it?
    Not if you know how to do science :wink:

    Seriously though, they are different degrees(at UW). The BS is a lot more rigorous and you have to do a lot of actual maths and such. It's why I get paid to science stuff. With a BA I would have probably had to go get a Masters to do anything with like many of my friends who partied a little more in the BA program.

    [The Bachelor of Science with a Major in Economics emphasizes the study of mathematics and quantitative techniques along with economics. The course of study requires a more intensive background in math and statistics, reflecting the quantitative character of modern economics. This program provides preparation for employment in technical and scientific areas and is appropriate for graduate studies in economics and related fields such as statistics, mathematics and finance.]

    UW Economics Department stuff

    p.s. my credentials aren't all that astonishing or important when I'm just reciting what is pretty common Economics pablum. It's like talking about supply and demand. I don't really need to be an expert. I can just appeal to a higher academis authority in the field.
    Copy that. I was feeling ripped off but then you mentioned math. Now I just feel dumb.
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,778 Standard Supporter
    edited June 2018
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Sledog said:

    The uber lefties on the board are appalled we attacked those poor hapless Germans who were just minding their own business.

    The conservatives at the time thought the POTUS in 1944 was the left wing appocolypse.
    For the record, lots of economists agree and that the New Deal was horrible policy. Video is a bit dry, but decent, and she's hot. So maybe even @Swaye will watch it on mute.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWAgt_YCNuw

    Of course, all the poly sci/social science majors will tell you that the New Deal was a huge success bc reasons...

    FDR's death probably saved us all a lot of socialist bullshit.
    The end of WWII ended the Depression. Not the New Deal. We can all agree upon this.

    That said, even if it was not necessarily the best economic approach, it was still a political necessity. And long term, there's still a lot of long term benefit from legislation like SStax free retirement incentives, FDIC.

    And for Christ's sake, we can not forget the god damned damns. W/o Grand Coulee, Bonneville, and TVA, WWII takes a lot longer to win- i.e., no cheap and readily available electricity for aluminum and uranium/plutonium enrichment. Maybe, but that was hardly the reason for them being built, hindsight and tangential benefits.
    An article explaining some of this

    p.s. My knowledge of economic history isn't from youtube. It's from my BS in Economics from UW and from the time I've spent doing economic reading/research. Far greater economists than me have these opinions valid hypotheses backed by data. I'm just attempting to find things that are more entertaining than reading dry ass academis research papers for the rest of you.
    Posting tits and ass pics is always an acceptable alternative.

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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,847 Founders Club
    Swaye said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    dflea said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Sledog said:

    The uber lefties on the board are appalled we attacked those poor hapless Germans who were just minding their own business.

    The conservatives at the time thought the POTUS in 1944 was the left wing appocolypse.
    For the record, lots of economists agree and that the New Deal was horrible policy. Video is a bit dry, but decent, and she's hot. So maybe even @Swaye will watch it on mute.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWAgt_YCNuw

    Of course, all the poly sci/social science majors will tell you that the New Deal was a huge success bc reasons...

    FDR's death probably saved us all a lot of socialist bullshit.
    The end of WWII ended the Depression. Not the New Deal. We can all agree upon this.

    That said, even if it was not necessarily the best economic approach, it was still a political necessity. And long term, there's still a lot of long term benefit from legislation like SStax free retirement incentives, FDIC.

    And for Christ's sake, we can not forget the god damned damns. W/o Grand Coulee, Bonneville, and TVA, WWII takes a lot longer to win- i.e., no cheap and readily available electricity for aluminum and uranium/plutonium enrichment. Maybe, but that was hardly the reason for them being built, hindsight and tangential benefits.
    An article explaining some of this

    p.s. My knowledge of economic history isn't from youtube. It's from my BS in Economics from UW and from the time I've spent doing economic reading/research. Far greater economists than me have these opinions valid hypotheses backed by data. I'm just attempting to find things that are more entertaining than reading dry ass academis research papers for the rest of you.
    An econ degree is a BA degree, isn't it?
    Not if you know how to do science :wink:

    Seriously though, they are different degrees(at UW). The BS is a lot more rigorous and you have to do a lot of actual maths and such. It's why I get paid to science stuff. With a BA I would have probably had to go get a Masters to do anything with like many of my friends who partied a little more in the BA program.

    [The Bachelor of Science with a Major in Economics emphasizes the study of mathematics and quantitative techniques along with economics. The course of study requires a more intensive background in math and statistics, reflecting the quantitative character of modern economics. This program provides preparation for employment in technical and scientific areas and is appropriate for graduate studies in economics and related fields such as statistics, mathematics and finance.]

    UW Economics Department stuff

    p.s. my credentials aren't all that astonishing or important when I'm just reciting what is pretty common Economics pablum. It's like talking about supply and demand. I don't really need to be an expert. I can just appeal to a higher academis authority in the field.

    As History major who was told there would be no maff, I still had to take a couple of maffey related courses to graduate. One was I think Macro 101 and the other Astronomy 101. It was hard but I think I got passing grades. Now I am a pour.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    YellowSnow said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Sledog said:

    The uber lefties on the board are appalled we attacked those poor hapless Germans who were just minding their own business.

    The conservatives at the time thought the POTUS in 1944 was the left wing appocolypse.
    For the record, lots of economists agree and that the New Deal was horrible policy. Video is a bit dry, but decent, and she's hot. So maybe even @Swaye will watch it on mute.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWAgt_YCNuw

    Of course, all the poly sci/social science majors will tell you that the New Deal was a huge success bc reasons...

    FDR's death probably saved us all a lot of socialist bullshit.
    WWII ended the Depression. Not the New Deal. We can all agree upon this.

    That said, even if it was not necessarily the best economic approach, it was still a political necessity. And long term, there's still a lot of long term benefit from legislation like SS, FDIC.

    And for Christ's sake, we can not forget the god damned damns. W/o Grand Coulee, Bonneville, and TVA, WWII takes a lot longer to win- i.e., no cheap and readily available electricity for aluminum and uranium/plutonium enrichment.
    The dams are the biggest poont in FDR's favor IMO. Not only did they greatly aid the war effort, they've paid for themselves many tims over in (mostly) clean energy since then.

    The environmental impact upon construction was obviously huge, but hydro power is nails after that.
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  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    On the other side, FDR's war-era wage controls begat the mess of the health industry.
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,847 Founders Club
    dnc said:

    YellowSnow said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Sledog said:

    The uber lefties on the board are appalled we attacked those poor hapless Germans who were just minding their own business.

    The conservatives at the time thought the POTUS in 1944 was the left wing appocolypse.
    For the record, lots of economists agree and that the New Deal was horrible policy. Video is a bit dry, but decent, and she's hot. So maybe even @Swaye will watch it on mute.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWAgt_YCNuw

    Of course, all the poly sci/social science majors will tell you that the New Deal was a huge success bc reasons...

    FDR's death probably saved us all a lot of socialist bullshit.
    WWII ended the Depression. Not the New Deal. We can all agree upon this.

    That said, even if it was not necessarily the best economic approach, it was still a political necessity. And long term, there's still a lot of long term benefit from legislation like SS, FDIC.

    And for Christ's sake, we can not forget the god damned damns. W/o Grand Coulee, Bonneville, and TVA, WWII takes a lot longer to win- i.e., no cheap and readily available electricity for aluminum and uranium/plutonium enrichment.
    The dams are the biggest poont in FDR's favor IMO. Not only did they greatly aid the war effort, they've paid for themselves many tims over in (mostly) clean energy since then.

    The environmental impact upon construction was obviously huge, but hydro power is nails after that.
    THANK YOU! Finally, someone around here gets it about the damned damns!
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,847 Founders Club
    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    On the other side, FDR's war-era wage controls begat the mess of the health industry.

    Truth! Health care connected to employer run plans is one of the biggest fucking blunders this country ever committed.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 116,018 Founders Club
    YellowSnow said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Sledog said:

    The uber lefties on the board are appalled we attacked those poor hapless Germans who were just minding their own business.

    The conservatives at the time thought the POTUS in 1944 was the left wing appocolypse.
    For the record, lots of economists agree and that the New Deal was horrible policy. Video is a bit dry, but decent, and she's hot. So maybe even @Swaye will watch it on mute.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWAgt_YCNuw

    Of course, all the poly sci/social science majors will tell you that the New Deal was a huge success bc reasons...

    FDR's death probably saved us all a lot of socialist bullshit.
    WWII ended the Depression. Not the New Deal. We can all agree upon this.

    That said, even if it was not necessarily the best economic approach, it was still a political necessity. And long term, there's still a lot of long term benefit from legislation like SS, FDIC.

    And for Christ's sake, we can not forget the god damned damns. W/o Grand Coulee, Bonneville, and TVA, WWII takes a lot longer to win- i.e., no cheap and readily available electricity for aluminum and uranium/plutonium enrichment.
    I have had a lot of arguments with people who don't agree with that. We are still having that argument - Obama and Bush's stimulus versus RR or Trumps tax cuts and deregulation
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 116,018 Founders Club
    And - some public works are more awesome than others

    Obama's stimulus was supposed to go to jobs. I know for a fact that Washington state canceled construction projects and used the cash for pensions and unions
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