Video analysis: UW's 3rd down production on offense in 2017
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I love you but you're afucking idiot when it comes to Locker.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Wrong. Keith was beaten to shit his junior year and everyone blamed him rather than the obvious problem which was the OL.dnc said:
Keith was great as a sophomore and loved for it, then crapped on when he sucked his junior and senior years.Dennis_DeYoung said:
We all know it. Jake is basically a shitty, choke artist Keith Price. At least Keith played well in SOME pressure situations.BaldwinIV said:If Jake was black he'd be a pariah. It amazes me how much slack he gets from the general doog population. I mean ffs go to the ASU and Stanford games in the OP vid. Or fucking Rutgers game. How can he be defended so?
Nuke Seattle.
Keith was relentlessly crapped on by Husky fans.
I'll take sophomore Keith over any year of Browning but by the middle of his junior year he was so PTSD'd by Sark's inability to protect him from getting hit incessantly that he was pretty shitty.
In Jake's case, he is the MAJOR FUCKING WEAK POINT and the obvious strong point is Gaskin, but people act like Jake is a fucking Heisman candidate and Gaskin is a serviceable back.
It's complete fucking insanity.
Also, we win the Natty in '16 with Locker, Tui and maybe a healthy Price. Fuck - even Stanback. I've never seen a player be so loved for being so shit.
Jake every game makes like 2 real good throws, the rest are usually average. He also cocks up third downs and throws a bunch of bullshit and would-be pick sixes.
And because Pete is a fucking amazing coach and we have Myles on offense everyone attributes our wins to him.
We would literally be better with Haener or Myles. Jake is a practice player.
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But browning sucks more, at least price made a play once in a whileRoadDawg55 said:
Price sucked. Browning also sucks.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Wrong. Keith was beaten to shit his junior year and everyone blamed him rather than the obvious problem which was the OL.dnc said:
Keith was great as a sophomore and loved for it, then crapped on when he sucked his junior and senior years.Dennis_DeYoung said:
We all know it. Jake is basically a shitty, choke artist Keith Price. At least Keith played well in SOME pressure situations.BaldwinIV said:If Jake was black he'd be a pariah. It amazes me how much slack he gets from the general doog population. I mean ffs go to the ASU and Stanford games in the OP vid. Or fucking Rutgers game. How can he be defended so?
Nuke Seattle.
Keith was relentlessly crapped on by Husky fans.
I'll take sophomore Keith over any year of Browning but by the middle of his junior year he was so PTSD'd by Sark's inability to protect him from getting hit incessantly that he was pretty shitty.
In Jake's case, he is the MAJOR FUCKING WEAK POINT and the obvious strong point is Gaskin, but people act like Jake is a fucking Heisman candidate and Gaskin is a serviceable back.
It's complete fucking insanity.
Also, we win the Natty in '16 with Locker, Tui and maybe a healthy Price. Fuck - even Stanback. I've never seen a player be so loved for being so shit.
Jake every game makes like 2 real good throws, the rest are usually average. He also cocks up third downs and throws a bunch of bullshit and would-be pick sixes.
And because Pete is a fucking amazing coach and we have Myles on offense everyone attributes our wins to him.
We would literally be better with Haener or Myles. Jake is a practice player. -
I know it’s crazy around here to suggest anything positive about Locker but Dennis is right.
Locker got shit coaching as a QB and my guess is the whole OKG thing would have been right up his alley. His physical abilities are head and shoulders above Jake’s. His ability to create with his legs would have created opportunities for the offense against an Alabama that Browning never could dream of.
Even if you want to disagree with the length of what Dennis called out, you are a blinded idiot if you can’t see the difference between Browning and Locker. -
I find it amusing that Price and Browning are being compared now ... they are largely comparable players. Price’s ceiling was competing for a conference title with a really good team. Browning’s ceiling is basically in that range. Yet there used to be a real vocal group about how great Price was.
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Of course there's plenty of differences between Locker and Browning, they're basically polar opposites.Tequilla said:I know it’s crazy around here to suggest anything positive about Locker but Dennis is right.
Locker got shit coaching as a QB and my guess is the whole OKG thing would have been right up his alley. His physical abilities are head and shoulders above Jake’s. His ability to create with his legs would have created opportunities for the offense against an Alabama that Browning never could dream of.
Even if you want to disagree with the length of what Dennis called out, you are a blinded idiot if you can’t see the difference between Browning and Locker.
Locker completed 55% of his passes as a 5th year senior. Yeah he probably could have developed a little better under Pete. If we're doing a straight up Locker for browning trade into 2016 then you're talking a redshirt freshman or true sophomore Locker. You're kidding yourself if you think he was winning a Natty at that point.
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Every time Price fucked up he'd do that gay fake limp to the sideline. Pissed me off. They both suck ballz IMO
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I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.
Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning
Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here
Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama
Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily -
I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.Tequilla said:I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.
Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning
Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here
Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama
Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily
Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.
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Locker vs Lindquist would be a better position battle then Browning vs no one. The dawgman articles would be on another level of doog.
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Locker was a shit QB with a brain of straw, but he wasn't a pussy./
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9BeXX6norw
Pretty sure Browning would have literally died if that happened to him. -
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Agreed.Gladstone said:Locker was a shit QB with a brain of straw, but he wasn't a pussy./
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9BeXX6norw
Pretty sure Browning would have literally died if that happened to him.
He also both had the athleticism to run and knew how to keep his feet unlike Jake 2.0.
Polar opposite of Browning. -
Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he madednc said:
I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.Tequilla said:I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.
Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning
Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here
Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama
Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily
Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.
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This needs to be on every page of this thread.Dennis_DeYoung said:Here's the thing about Seattle sports that I will never understand... until Jake makes LITERALLY NO GOOD THROWS on a third down, Doogs will support him. He would have to throw all interceptions for two games.
There's something about SEA sports fans' brains that says 'until someone can do nothing right, ever, they are 'FINE' and worth defending.
When Ty went 4-9 in '07 - it was 'HE WON FOUR GAMES!!' - I see the same shit with Jake, 'BUT WHAT ABOUT THE UTAH GAME!!?!! BUT WHAT ABOUT THE THROW TO AARON FULLER!!!?!?!'
Trace McSorley made more great throws in the FIRST HALF against our defense than Jake did in THE SEASON. Making like 5 good throws on third down per year doesn't make you an acceptable QB, it makes you a complete fucking disaster. Troy Williams made 3-4 good throws against us at Utah on 3rd downs.
SO FUCKING WHAT?!?!
If Jake were any good (spoiler: he's not) he would make 3-5 throws like that Aaron Fuller throw PER GAME. Not PER SEASON.
Our standards as fans are so fucking low that we can watch someone cock our season up and think 'well, he did things right 20% of the time!!' - Jesus fucking Christ we love losers.
The town is haunted by the '94 Sonics. Great when it doesn't count, falls apart when it does. Nobody gives a shit. 116 wins.
TRACE MCSORLEY MADE MORE GOOD THIRD DOWN THROWS IN THE FUCKING FIRST HALF THAN JAKE DID IN A SEASON!!!
Maybe that should alarm people.
Here are Jake's sack numbers from '17:
1st down: 3 in 147 attempts (2%)
2nd down: 2 in 111 attempts (2%)
3rd down: FUCKING FOURTEEN in SEVENTY FOUR ATTEMPTS (19%!!!)
Let's look at his running numbers:
1st down: 15 att, 39 yards
2nd down: 11 att, 23 yards
3rd down: 27 attempts for fucking NEGATIVE 73 YARDS!
In addition, when we are losing in games, Jake's numbers are like this:
60.5% completion percentage (as opposed to 72.5% when we are tied/winning)
12 sacks in 114 attempts- 11% (as opposed to 7 in 222 attempts - 3%)
24 for -60 rushing (as opposed to 32 for 85)
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I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lolTequilla said:
Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he madednc said:
I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.Tequilla said:I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.
Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning
Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here
Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama
Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily
Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.
IR, YK. -
Next year’s O will miss having Dante’s 7 point punt return bump every other game.
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I bought that Jersey.Gladstone said:Locker was a shit QB with a brain of straw, but he wasn't a pussy./
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9BeXX6norw
Pretty sure Browning would have literally died if that happened to him. -
Committing to play football for Ty Willingham.Tequilla said:
Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he madednc said:
I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.Tequilla said:I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.
Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning
Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here
Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama
Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily
Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.
IR, YK.
Throwing a block against Stanford.
Walking away from $40 something million by not going pro after his junior year.
In all seriousness I don't remember a ton of specific things, it's been damn near a decade since he was here. I do remember thinking he was a shit decision maker early in his career and never having that opinion changed. And I specifically recall being amazed how good our receivers not named Jermaine Kearse were once Price took over since Locker seemed to always lock onto Kearse and only Kearse.
The jump our passing game took in 2011 with Price under center is all anyone needs to know. Price wasn't special, but he was far better than Locker. -
Locker and Rapp would easily be the best White/ Asian safety tandem in football historyTequilla said:I know it’s crazy around here to suggest anything positive about Locker but Dennis is right.
Locker got shit coaching as a QB and my guess is the whole OKG thing would have been right up his alley. His physical abilities are head and shoulders above Jake’s. His ability to create with his legs would have created opportunities for the offense against an Alabama that Browning never could dream of.
Even if you want to disagree with the length of what Dennis called out, you are a blinded idiot if you can’t see the difference between Browning and Locker. -
Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the gameGladstone said:
I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lolTequilla said:
Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he madednc said:
I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.Tequilla said:I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.
Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning
Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here
Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama
Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily
Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.
IR, YK. -
Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.Tequilla said:
Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the gameGladstone said:
I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lolTequilla said:
Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he madednc said:
I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.Tequilla said:I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.
Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning
Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here
Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama
Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily
Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.
IR, YK. -
In situations where Locker has the opportunity to tie or win the game ... he wasn’t that baddnc said:
Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.Tequilla said:
Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the gameGladstone said:
I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lolTequilla said:
Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he madednc said:
I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.Tequilla said:I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.
Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning
Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here
Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama
Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily
Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.
IR, YK. -
Signing with a team coached by Tyrone WillinghamTequilla said:
Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he madednc said:
I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.Tequilla said:I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.
Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning
Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here
Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama
Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily
Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.
IR, YK. -
Locker could have been a tremendous playmaker at QB in the right system. That system wasn't Sark's offense and it sure isn't Petersen's. He would have been great in a Malzahn, Meyer, or Bill Snyder offense. Assuming that offense also had the OL to go with it and not the Willingham dregs he was playing behind.
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go irishDoogles said:
I bought that Jersey.Gladstone said:Locker was a shit QB with a brain of straw, but he wasn't a pussy./
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9BeXX6norw
Pretty sure Browning would have literally died if that happened to him. -
Why do you hate Chip Kelly?AIRWOLF said:Locker could have been a tremendous playmaker at QB in the right system. That system wasn't Sark's offense and it sure isn't Petersen's. He would have been great in a Malzahn, Meyer, or Bill Snyder offense. Assuming that offense also had the OL to go with it and not the Willingham dregs he was playing behind.
I really think that offense would have been perfect. Small playbook. Move fast, play on instincts, make limited number of decisions, huge threat as a runner. Locker at Oregon under Chip may have won a natty. Not under any UW coach ever. -
I just remember being frustrated as Locker would run into a sack rather than running for a first down when the rush broke through
He was no better than Browning in pocket presence
Locker had a big tool box and no clue how to use them IMO -
BUT HOW WAS LOCKER A BAD DECISION MAKER?!?!?RaceBannon said:I just remember being frustrated as Locker would run into a sack rather than running for a first down when the rush broke through
He was no better than Browning in pocket presence
Locker had a big tool box and no clue how to use them IMO -
He's right:Tequilla said:
In situations where Locker has the opportunity to tie or win the game ... he wasn’t that baddnc said:
Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.Tequilla said:
Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the gameGladstone said:
I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lolTequilla said:
Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he madednc said:
I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.Tequilla said:I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.
Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning
Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here
Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama
Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily
Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.
IR, YK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhTjtK2EcWc
T minus 3...2...1 until someone equates that with Browning against Utah. -
Agree. He also played badly enough early in a lot of games that he didn't have the shot to tie or win the game late (which he was actually good at).Tequilla said:
In situations where Locker has the opportunity to tie or win the game ... he wasn’t that baddnc said:
Didn't think you'd want to bring wins and losses into this discussion.Tequilla said:
Also ran for close to 100 yards and won the gameGladstone said:
I'll go. The entire Holiday Bowl against Nebraska lolTequilla said:
Please give me some examples of really bad decisions he madednc said:
I don't have disdain for Locker. I love the kid. I'm probably the most pro Locker/Jesus guy on this bored. But he was never a good QB. He was wildly inaccurate. He didn't make good decisions.Tequilla said:I honestly don’t care about completion percentage ... that’d improve strictly with better coaching and talent around him.
Locker was at worst a gamer in critical situations ... a polar opposite of Browning
Your disdain of Locker clouds your judgement here
Locker in ‘16 with this team gives us a lot least a puncher’s chance against Bama
Locker in ‘17 wins the P12 rather easily
Forget winning the national title, Locker would have never started a game for Petersen save maybe in 2014. Pete values two things in QB's above all else - accuracy and ability to grasp the offense. Locker would have failed at both.
IR, YK.
Again, the polar opposite of Browning.
