Kansas and now Oklahoma
https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-confronts-another-failed-tax-experiment-oklahoma-155508531--election.html
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Yeah, because of all the 50 states Kansas and Oklahoma are in the worst budget positions...
HondoFS -
As usual you missed the point. I'll type slowly so you can understand. People like you believe that tax cuts increase revenue. Point is, they don't and Kansas and Oklahoma are more evidence of that.HoustonHusky said:Yeah, because of all the 50 states Kansas and Oklahoma are in the worst budget positions...
HondoFS
HTH but I know it won't. -
The variables you are missing in the entire argument are Kansans and Oklahomans.2001400ex said:
As usual you missed the point. I'll type slowly so you can understand. People like you believe that tax cuts increase revenue. Point is, they don't and Kansas and Oklahoma are more evidence of that.HoustonHusky said:Yeah, because of all the 50 states Kansas and Oklahoma are in the worst budget positions...
HondoFS
HTH but I know it won't.
Those people could fuck up the recipe for boiling water.
Truly some of the dumbest dumbfucks ever to dumbfuck.
The liberal equivalents would be New Jerseyites and Portlanders.
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Right. That's what makes the resulting cuts to education in both states even more hilarious.PurpleThrobber said:
The variables you are missing in the entire argument are Kansans and Oklahomans.2001400ex said:
As usual you missed the point. I'll type slowly so you can understand. People like you believe that tax cuts increase revenue. Point is, they don't and Kansas and Oklahoma are more evidence of that.HoustonHusky said:Yeah, because of all the 50 states Kansas and Oklahoma are in the worst budget positions...
HondoFS
HTH but I know it won't.
Those people could fuck up the recipe for boiling water.
Truly some of the dumbest dumbfucks ever to dumbfuck.
The liberal equivalents would be New Jerseyites and Portlanders. -
I like how Oklahoma and Kansas are the poster child for why tax cuts don't work.
There has to be industry, or the lure of industry to make it work.
Oklahoma was stupid because they gave a tax cut to oil companies, who would go there anyway.
A better model would be Texas, Tennessee, Florida, and even Washington.
Those states rank in the bottom 1/3 of tax burden and economies are booming.
NY and CA have high tax burdens, but they have big industry too.
Take it all in context. Oklahoma would have been wise to gauge the oil companies and pass the savings along to their constituents. -
The tax cuts were sold as a way to turn the economies around. And it didn't. As you even stated, there are states with low tax burdens doing well and states with high tax burdens doing well. It's almost as if tax cuts don't increase revenue.topdawgnc said:I like how Oklahoma and Kansas are the poster child for why tax cuts don't work.
There has to be industry, or the lure of industry to make it work.
Oklahoma was stupid because they gave a tax cut to oil companies, who would go there anyway.
A better model would be Texas, Tennessee, Florida, and even Washington.
Those states rank in the bottom 1/3 of tax burden and economies are booming.
NY and CA have high tax burdens, but they have big industry too.
Take it all in context. Oklahoma would have been wise to gauge the oil companies and pass the savings along to their constituents.
“My faith is in the people of Kansas,” Brownback said, “not its government.”
Brownback said the less affluent would not be hurt by the tax cuts.
“The best thing we can do for individuals in this state, and particularly for somebody that’s struggling, is to provide jobs and job opportunities,” the Republican governor said. “That’s what this does.”
Nick Jordan, the state’s revenue secretary, said the administration ultimately imagines the creation of 22,000 more jobs over “normal growth” and 35,000 more people moving into the state over the next five years. And he expects the tax changes to expand disposable income by $2 billion over the same period.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/kansascity.relaymedia.com/amp/latest-news/article303137/Brownback-signs-big-tax-cut-in-Kansas.html -
A lot of truth in this, but to add to that Oklahoma also had a surplus of $140MM of last year and instead of using it as a buffer for the future they dumped it back into all of their state agencies.topdawgnc said:I like how Oklahoma and Kansas are the poster child for why tax cuts don't work.
There has to be industry, or the lure of industry to make it work.
Oklahoma was stupid because they gave a tax cut to oil companies, who would go there anyway.
A better model would be Texas, Tennessee, Florida, and even Washington.
Those states rank in the bottom 1/3 of tax burden and economies are booming.
NY and CA have high tax burdens, but they have big industry too.
Take it all in context. Oklahoma would have been wise to gauge the oil companies and pass the savings along to their constituents.
Comparing states by several outside groups Oklahoma is doing much better than the rest...
https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings
And in fact summing state and local debt it is 7th best in the country.
But why bring facts into any discussion with HondoFS... -
Just stop.HoustonHusky said:
A lot of truth in this, but to add to that Oklahoma also had a surplus of $140MM of last year and instead of using it as a buffer for the future they dumped it back into all of their state agencies.topdawgnc said:I like how Oklahoma and Kansas are the poster child for why tax cuts don't work.
There has to be industry, or the lure of industry to make it work.
Oklahoma was stupid because they gave a tax cut to oil companies, who would go there anyway.
A better model would be Texas, Tennessee, Florida, and even Washington.
Those states rank in the bottom 1/3 of tax burden and economies are booming.
NY and CA have high tax burdens, but they have big industry too.
Take it all in context. Oklahoma would have been wise to gauge the oil companies and pass the savings along to their constituents.
Comparing states by several outside groups Oklahoma is doing much better than the rest...
https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings
And in fact summing state and local debt it is 7th best in the country.
But why bring facts into any discussion with HondoFS...
Bringing facts that weren't in the Yahoo article is just too much.
Tax cuts should not be social welfare.
Oklahoma and Kansas are not desirable places to live, and the taxes ended up being social welfare.
I also have no sympathy for state employees who want higher wages. -
I know this isn't from 2012, and I know it isn't a reliable source like Yahoo.2001400ex said:
The tax cuts were sold as a way to turn the economies around. And it didn't. As you even stated, there are states with low tax burdens doing well and states with high tax burdens doing well. It's almost as if tax cuts don't increase revenue.topdawgnc said:I like how Oklahoma and Kansas are the poster child for why tax cuts don't work.
There has to be industry, or the lure of industry to make it work.
Oklahoma was stupid because they gave a tax cut to oil companies, who would go there anyway.
A better model would be Texas, Tennessee, Florida, and even Washington.
Those states rank in the bottom 1/3 of tax burden and economies are booming.
NY and CA have high tax burdens, but they have big industry too.
Take it all in context. Oklahoma would have been wise to gauge the oil companies and pass the savings along to their constituents.
“My faith is in the people of Kansas,” Brownback said, “not its government.”
Brownback said the less affluent would not be hurt by the tax cuts.
“The best thing we can do for individuals in this state, and particularly for somebody that’s struggling, is to provide jobs and job opportunities,” the Republican governor said. “That’s what this does.”
Nick Jordan, the state’s revenue secretary, said the administration ultimately imagines the creation of 22,000 more jobs over “normal growth” and 35,000 more people moving into the state over the next five years. And he expects the tax changes to expand disposable income by $2 billion over the same period.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/kansascity.relaymedia.com/amp/latest-news/article303137/Brownback-signs-big-tax-cut-in-Kansas.html
calbizjournal.com/whybusinessesleavecalifornia/
And low-tax, business-friendly Texas is be the biggest beneficiary.
According to Vranich, businesses leaving California experience substantial cost savings, ranging from 20 to 35 percent. -
Again you miss the point.topdawgnc said:
Just stop.HoustonHusky said:
A lot of truth in this, but to add to that Oklahoma also had a surplus of $140MM of last year and instead of using it as a buffer for the future they dumped it back into all of their state agencies.topdawgnc said:I like how Oklahoma and Kansas are the poster child for why tax cuts don't work.
There has to be industry, or the lure of industry to make it work.
Oklahoma was stupid because they gave a tax cut to oil companies, who would go there anyway.
A better model would be Texas, Tennessee, Florida, and even Washington.
Those states rank in the bottom 1/3 of tax burden and economies are booming.
NY and CA have high tax burdens, but they have big industry too.
Take it all in context. Oklahoma would have been wise to gauge the oil companies and pass the savings along to their constituents.
Comparing states by several outside groups Oklahoma is doing much better than the rest...
https://www.mercatus.org/statefiscalrankings
And in fact summing state and local debt it is 7th best in the country.
But why bring facts into any discussion with HondoFS...
Bringing facts that weren't in the Yahoo article is just too much.
Tax cuts should not be social welfare.
Oklahoma and Kansas are not desirable places to live, and the taxes ended up being social welfare.
I also have no sympathy for state employees who want higher wages. -
Slow day?
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Money spent per capita in primary education rarely translates to results on the field.2001400ex said:
Right. That's what makes the resulting cuts to education in both states even more hilarious.PurpleThrobber said:
The variables you are missing in the entire argument are Kansans and Oklahomans.2001400ex said:
As usual you missed the point. I'll type slowly so you can understand. People like you believe that tax cuts increase revenue. Point is, they don't and Kansas and Oklahoma are more evidence of that.HoustonHusky said:Yeah, because of all the 50 states Kansas and Oklahoma are in the worst budget positions...
HondoFS
HTH but I know it won't.
Those people could fuck up the recipe for boiling water.
Truly some of the dumbest dumbfucks ever to dumbfuck.
The liberal equivalents would be New Jerseyites and Portlanders. -
FIFYsalemcoog said:
Money spent per capita in the military rarely translates to results on the field.2001400ex said:
Right. That's what makes the resulting cuts to education in both states even more hilarious.PurpleThrobber said:
The variables you are missing in the entire argument are Kansans and Oklahomans.2001400ex said:
As usual you missed the point. I'll type slowly so you can understand. People like you believe that tax cuts increase revenue. Point is, they don't and Kansas and Oklahoma are more evidence of that.HoustonHusky said:Yeah, because of all the 50 states Kansas and Oklahoma are in the worst budget positions...
HondoFS
HTH but I know it won't.
Those people could fuck up the recipe for boiling water.
Truly some of the dumbest dumbfucks ever to dumbfuck.
The liberal equivalents would be New Jerseyites and Portlanders. -
It's from 2012 like you said. Since then, how many businesses have actually relocated to Texas? Lol topdawgFStopdawgnc said:
I know this isn't from 2012, and I know it isn't a reliable source like Yahoo.2001400ex said:
The tax cuts were sold as a way to turn the economies around. And it didn't. As you even stated, there are states with low tax burdens doing well and states with high tax burdens doing well. It's almost as if tax cuts don't increase revenue.topdawgnc said:I like how Oklahoma and Kansas are the poster child for why tax cuts don't work.
There has to be industry, or the lure of industry to make it work.
Oklahoma was stupid because they gave a tax cut to oil companies, who would go there anyway.
A better model would be Texas, Tennessee, Florida, and even Washington.
Those states rank in the bottom 1/3 of tax burden and economies are booming.
NY and CA have high tax burdens, but they have big industry too.
Take it all in context. Oklahoma would have been wise to gauge the oil companies and pass the savings along to their constituents.
“My faith is in the people of Kansas,” Brownback said, “not its government.”
Brownback said the less affluent would not be hurt by the tax cuts.
“The best thing we can do for individuals in this state, and particularly for somebody that’s struggling, is to provide jobs and job opportunities,” the Republican governor said. “That’s what this does.”
Nick Jordan, the state’s revenue secretary, said the administration ultimately imagines the creation of 22,000 more jobs over “normal growth” and 35,000 more people moving into the state over the next five years. And he expects the tax changes to expand disposable income by $2 billion over the same period.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/kansascity.relaymedia.com/amp/latest-news/article303137/Brownback-signs-big-tax-cut-in-Kansas.html
calbizjournal.com/whybusinessesleavecalifornia/
And low-tax, business-friendly Texas is be the biggest beneficiary.
According to Vranich, businesses leaving California experience substantial cost savings, ranging from 20 to 35 percent. -
Uh ... it was written this passed weak.2001400ex said:
It's from 2012 like you said. Since then, how many businesses have actually relocated to Texas? Lol topdawgFStopdawgnc said:
I know this isn't from 2012, and I know it isn't a reliable source like Yahoo.2001400ex said:
The tax cuts were sold as a way to turn the economies around. And it didn't. As you even stated, there are states with low tax burdens doing well and states with high tax burdens doing well. It's almost as if tax cuts don't increase revenue.topdawgnc said:I like how Oklahoma and Kansas are the poster child for why tax cuts don't work.
There has to be industry, or the lure of industry to make it work.
Oklahoma was stupid because they gave a tax cut to oil companies, who would go there anyway.
A better model would be Texas, Tennessee, Florida, and even Washington.
Those states rank in the bottom 1/3 of tax burden and economies are booming.
NY and CA have high tax burdens, but they have big industry too.
Take it all in context. Oklahoma would have been wise to gauge the oil companies and pass the savings along to their constituents.
“My faith is in the people of Kansas,” Brownback said, “not its government.”
Brownback said the less affluent would not be hurt by the tax cuts.
“The best thing we can do for individuals in this state, and particularly for somebody that’s struggling, is to provide jobs and job opportunities,” the Republican governor said. “That’s what this does.”
Nick Jordan, the state’s revenue secretary, said the administration ultimately imagines the creation of 22,000 more jobs over “normal growth” and 35,000 more people moving into the state over the next five years. And he expects the tax changes to expand disposable income by $2 billion over the same period.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/kansascity.relaymedia.com/amp/latest-news/article303137/Brownback-signs-big-tax-cut-in-Kansas.html
calbizjournal.com/whybusinessesleavecalifornia/
And low-tax, business-friendly Texas is be the biggest beneficiary.
According to Vranich, businesses leaving California experience substantial cost savings, ranging from 20 to 35 percent.
I kinda wish California folk would quit fleeing that Godless state for my beautiful Gawd Favored home state.
The pinkos bring their voting habits with them.
Now if they want to vote in legal weed, I'm all for it.
But keep your liberal taxation and regulation and sanctuary city lovin votes in Cali.
