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The reason Joey Thomas hates UW

http://seattlemedium.com/coach-joey-thomas-inspires-youth-totally-optimize-potential/

During his freshmen year at the University of Washington, Thomas thought about quitting football, the game that he has loved since he was a little kid playing for CAYA. But a conversation with his best friend, former UW football player Paul Arnold, got Thomas to refocus and pursue his life’s dream at Montana State University.

“It was a frustrating time for him. He loved football so much and he put everything he had in it,” said Arnold, who also played for UW at the time. “I don’t think it was an ability issue, I think he just didn’t fit into what they were looking for. That probably was the lowest point in his sports career.

According to Thomas, Arnold encouraged him not to “let these folks break your spirit,” and to go somewhere else if he had to but to keep grinding. He went on to play for Montana State, but the impact on his life is something that helps motivate him to encourage his players to keep working and make a way to live out their dreams.

“They broke me,” said Thomas of his time with the UW football program. “They weren’t feeling me and I got no love.”

“To be that broken to feel like I had to quit the game that I loved… that was a huge low point for me,”
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    But it’s all Petes fault!!
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    HE should have gone to UCLA
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    Rick Neuheisel was a complete fuck-up and this is why you don't treat anyone poorly.

    I don't like Joey Thomas but I was relatively close to the program at that time and if you guys think Joey Thomas got a fair shake you are fucking stupid.

    Joey got fucked over and they tried to run him because they thought they could get better people.

    Rick was Sark, the prequel. And if Sark had run a kid you'd be much more sympathetic to the kid. But you guys are FS and can't figure out that it's generally not a good policy to fuck over local kids in your own program after you've offered them scholarships. Could come back to haunt you.

    And, in this case, given that he's Sav'ell Smalls' coach, it has.

    Yeah, nobody but you is smart enough to figure that out.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    You guys are so fucking stupid.

    Just look at Bryce Sterk vs. Joey Thomas. Same shit, different coaches.

    We got desperate and offered a local guy we thought probably didn't have enough talent and took him. In Thomas' case it was probably more nefarious because we were using him to help with Paul Arnold.

    With Thomas, as soon as he got here and recruiting picked up we SHIT ALL OVER HIM. They told him he sucked. They told him they wanted him to quit. They told him he wasn't good enough. That he was a disgrace, etc. They didn't try to find another place for him, they just completely tried to make him quit.

    With Sterk, they gave him a shot and when it became clear he wasn't going to play they went to him and asked if he wanted to play (because it didn't look like he was going to here). If he did, they would try to find him a fit at a school where he would play and be valued.

    I wonder which approach works better in the long term... hmmm...

    And you shit bags think Joey Thomas is just a bitter guy who quit. You are all fucking morons if you think Joey doesn't have a right to be pissed. And you are all fucking morons if you think we should've treated Sterk that way.

    I’m having a hard time seeing the problem with how they treated Sterk. I assume you just said the opposite of what you meant.

    Nobody is saying Thomas got a fair shake. He can be a whiny bitch and RN can be a fucking douche who screwed him over. Abundance is an option here.
  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823

    You guys are so fucking stupid.

    Just look at Bryce Sterk vs. Joey Thomas. Same shit, different coaches.

    We got desperate and offered a local guy we thought probably didn't have enough talent and took him. In Thomas' case it was probably more nefarious because we were using him to help with Paul Arnold.

    With Thomas, as soon as he got here and recruiting picked up we SHIT ALL OVER HIM. They told him he sucked. They told him they wanted him to quit. They told him he wasn't good enough. That he was a disgrace, etc. They didn't try to find another place for him, they just completely tried to make him quit. They used to not acknowledge him at practice, they wouldn't let him take reps and were like 'we don't let scrubs get reps' - if you don't like it, you know what to do.

    With Sterk, they gave him a shot and when it became clear he wasn't going to play they went to him and asked if he wanted to play (because it didn't look like he was going to here). If he did, they would try to find him a fit at a school where he would play and be valued.

    I wonder which approach works better in the long term... hmmm...

    And you shit bags think Joey Thomas is just a bitter guy who quit. You are all fucking morons if you think Joey doesn't have a right to be pissed. And you are all fucking morons if you think we should've treated Sterk that way.

    EDIT - look I think Joey's bullshit is fucking tired, but only fucking morons just take one opinion on someone and let that override all their critical thinking about that person. Fucking hell. I feel like I'm talking to fucking 7 year olds 'NOT EVERYONE IS ALL GOOD OR BAD' - but what the fuck do I expect in a culture where all our most popular movies are fucking superhero fagfests that people take seriously?

    FUCK OUR SOCIETY.

    nice to have real adults run a program
  • Dennis_DeYoung
    Dennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    edited February 2018
    dnc said:

    You guys are so fucking stupid.

    Just look at Bryce Sterk vs. Joey Thomas. Same shit, different coaches.

    We got desperate and offered a local guy we thought probably didn't have enough talent and took him. In Thomas' case it was probably more nefarious because we were using him to help with Paul Arnold.

    With Thomas, as soon as he got here and recruiting picked up we SHIT ALL OVER HIM. They told him he sucked. They told him they wanted him to quit. They told him he wasn't good enough. That he was a disgrace, etc. They didn't try to find another place for him, they just completely tried to make him quit.

    With Sterk, they gave him a shot and when it became clear he wasn't going to play they went to him and asked if he wanted to play (because it didn't look like he was going to here). If he did, they would try to find him a fit at a school where he would play and be valued.

    I wonder which approach works better in the long term... hmmm...

    And you shit bags think Joey Thomas is just a bitter guy who quit. You are all fucking morons if you think Joey doesn't have a right to be pissed. And you are all fucking morons if you think we should've treated Sterk that way.

    I’m having a hard time seeing the problem with how they treated Sterk. I assume you just said the opposite of what you meant.

    Nobody is saying Thomas got a fair shake. He can be a whiny bitch and RN can be a fucking douche who screwed him over. Abundance is an option here.
    That's my fucking point. We treated Sterk the correct way and when he's the coach at Lynden 20 years from now he won't fucking hate us and he will respect Jimmy Lake or whomever the coach is at that point.

    What makes him a whiny bitch? The fact that he got fucked over? The fact that we treated him like shit?

    Or the fact that he picked himself up, transferred to Montana State and got FUCKING DRAFTED BY THE NFL AND PLAYED IN THE NFL YOU STUPID FUCK?!?!
  • CuntWaffle
    CuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,499
    I can tell this is going to be a GOOD thread
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    Take the names, places, etc. out of the equation and this scenario takes place all over the place in all walks of life.

    How often does it happen in life where either a manager, etc. move on or leaves the company and the replacement isn't someone that doesn't mesh with your views of how to do business? Or a reorganization happens and either the asks of you or the structure isn't conducive to your career path?

    None of the above is personal. Whether you're good enough or not as time passes you may or may not be a fit going forward for the role that you signed up for and/or are currently in.

    That's not saying that Rick wasn't the precursor to Sark and a guy like Joey Thomas got mismanaged. But that also highlights a massive difference between Pete the culture that he has developed and works hard to maintain versus the what have you done for me lately world that Sark/Slick cultivated. It was not uncommon 20 years ago to hear most of the UW Football team operate under this idea that they all were going to go to the NFL and if that didn't happen that somehow they were wronged. Today, you hear our players talk about how lucky they would be to play professionally while developing off the field in a way that should the NFL not be a long-term reality for them, they have something to fall back on.
  • Dennis_DeYoung
    Dennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    You guys are so fucking stupid.

    Just look at Bryce Sterk vs. Joey Thomas. Same shit, different coaches.

    We got desperate and offered a local guy we thought probably didn't have enough talent and took him. In Thomas' case it was probably more nefarious because we were using him to help with Paul Arnold.

    With Thomas, as soon as he got here and recruiting picked up we SHIT ALL OVER HIM. They told him he sucked. They told him they wanted him to quit. They told him he wasn't good enough. That he was a disgrace, etc. They didn't try to find another place for him, they just completely tried to make him quit.

    With Sterk, they gave him a shot and when it became clear he wasn't going to play they went to him and asked if he wanted to play (because it didn't look like he was going to here). If he did, they would try to find him a fit at a school where he would play and be valued.

    I wonder which approach works better in the long term... hmmm...

    And you shit bags think Joey Thomas is just a bitter guy who quit. You are all fucking morons if you think Joey doesn't have a right to be pissed. And you are all fucking morons if you think we should've treated Sterk that way.

    I’m having a hard time seeing the problem with how they treated Sterk. I assume you just said the opposite of what you meant.

    Nobody is saying Thomas got a fair shake. He can be a whiny bitch and RN can be a fucking douche who screwed him over. Abundance is an option here.
    That's my fucking point. We treated Sterk the correct way and when he's the coach at Lynden 20 years from now he won't fucking hate us and he will respect Jimmy Lake or whomever the coach is at that point.

    What makes him a whiny bitch? The fact that he got fucked over? The fact that we treated him like shit?

    Or the fact that he picked himself up, transferred to Montana State and got FUCKING DRAFTED BY THE NFL AND PLAYED IN THE NFL YOU STUPID FUCK?!?!
    None of these things.

    The fact he's letting his personal baggage from damn near twenty years and five head coaches ago push his players away from the best place for them.

    I don't blame him for being bitter. I don't blame him for hating UW. Those feelings are understandable.

    Not being mature enough to keep it from hurting your kids isn't.

    He's a whiny bitch.
    Well, you should take to twitter (like I do... BRAVELY I might add) and tweet him how unfair he's being.
  • NeGgaPlEaSe
    NeGgaPlEaSe Member Posts: 5,763
    Fuck I can’t handle the ups and downs of recruiting
  • Passion
    Passion Member Posts: 4,622

    Passion said:

    Meek said:

    http://seattlemedium.com/coach-joey-thomas-inspires-youth-totally-optimize-potential/

    During his freshmen year at the University of Washington, Thomas thought about quitting football, the game that he has loved since he was a little kid playing for CAYA. But a conversation with his best friend, former UW football player Paul Arnold, got Thomas to refocus and pursue his life’s dream at Montana State University.

    “It was a frustrating time for him. He loved football so much and he put everything he had in it,” said Arnold, who also played for UW at the time. “I don’t think it was an ability issue, I think he just didn’t fit into what they were looking for. That probably was the lowest point in his sports career.

    According to Thomas, Arnold encouraged him not to “let these folks break your spirit,” and to go somewhere else if he had to but to keep grinding. He went on to play for Montana State, but the impact on his life is something that helps motivate him to encourage his players to keep working and make a way to live out their dreams.

    “They broke me,” said Thomas of his time with the UW football program. “They weren’t feeling me and I got no love.”

    “To be that broken to feel like I had to quit the game that I loved… that was a huge low point for me,”

    there are tens of thousands of players saying this about hundreds of schools. it's unfortunate if this is still a personal issue. even my grandfather, who got shot down in his P51-A Mustang and hauled off to Stalag Luft III in WWII where he had to dig fucking tunnels to get out eventually stopped being pissed at Germans.
    My grandparents lived in German occupied France and watched people get randomly shot and Jews get hauled away.

    They hated Germans ‘’til they died.
    I'm trying to think of a nationality that French people don't hate... Coming up blank.
    Certainly not Norwegians. Pretty tough to hate vanilla ice cream, even though it’s plain.