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2001400ex
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I was traveling all day so y'all didn't get the pleasure of my posts. But I read through most of it and you guys read just like my FB page. "There have been 18 school shootings this year" then "that's fake news" followed by "we need more guns in school and no gun free zones".

The reality is, if the NRA sticks to it's "zero gun control" philosophy, we will become Australia. There will be enough outcry from the public to make it happen. The NRA needs to step up with some reasonable measures to reduce the amount of deaths. Here's what happened in Australia and you'll read more about this as more shootings happen.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/02/15/australia-hasnt-had-fatal-mass-shooting-since-1996-heres-what-did/340345002/
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,719 Standard Supporter
    edited February 2018
    2001400ex said:

    I was traveling all day so y'all didn't get the pleasure of my posts. But I read through most of it and you guys read just like my FB page. "There have been 18 school shootings this year" then "that's fake news" followed by "we need more guns in school and no gun free zones".

    The reality is, if the NRA sticks to it's "zero gun control" philosophy, we will become Australia. There will be enough outcry from the public to make it happen. The NRA needs to step up with some reasonable measures to reduce the amount of deaths. Here's what happened in Australia and you'll read more about this as more shootings happen.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/02/15/australia-hasnt-had-fatal-mass-shooting-since-1996-heres-what-did/340345002/

    Bullshit. Switzerland has lots of guns and doesn't have this problem. Japan has never allowed guns and their suicide rate is off the charts. HTH
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    I was traveling all day so y'all didn't get the pleasure of my posts. But I read through most of it and you guys read just like my FB page. "There have been 18 school shootings this year" then "that's fake news" followed by "we need more guns in school and no gun free zones".

    The reality is, if the NRA sticks to it's "zero gun control" philosophy, we will become Australia. There will be enough outcry from the public to make it happen. The NRA needs to step up with some reasonable measures to reduce the amount of deaths. Here's what happened in Australia and you'll read more about this as more shootings happen.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/02/15/australia-hasnt-had-fatal-mass-shooting-since-1996-heres-what-did/340345002/

    Bullshit. Switzerland has lots of guns and doesn't have this problem. Japan has never allowed guns and their suicide rate is off the charts. HTH
    Who the fuck is talking about banning guns? Stay on topic dumbfuck.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,868 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    I was traveling all day so y'all didn't get the pleasure of my posts. But I read through most of it and you guys read just like my FB page. "There have been 18 school shootings this year" then "that's fake news" followed by "we need more guns in school and no gun free zones".

    The reality is, if the NRA sticks to it's "zero gun control" philosophy, we will become Australia. There will be enough outcry from the public to make it happen. The NRA needs to step up with some reasonable measures to reduce the amount of deaths. Here's what happened in Australia and you'll read more about this as more shootings happen.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/02/15/australia-hasnt-had-fatal-mass-shooting-since-1996-heres-what-did/340345002/

    Bullshit. Switzerland has lots of guns and doesn't have this problem. Japan has never allowed guns and their suicide rate is off the charts. HTH
    Who the fuck is talking about banning guns? Stay on topic dumbfuck.
    Why did you link to Australia then?
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,719 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    I was traveling all day so y'all didn't get the pleasure of my posts. But I read through most of it and you guys read just like my FB page. "There have been 18 school shootings this year" then "that's fake news" followed by "we need more guns in school and no gun free zones".

    The reality is, if the NRA sticks to it's "zero gun control" philosophy, we will become Australia. There will be enough outcry from the public to make it happen. The NRA needs to step up with some reasonable measures to reduce the amount of deaths. Here's what happened in Australia and you'll read more about this as more shootings happen.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/02/15/australia-hasnt-had-fatal-mass-shooting-since-1996-heres-what-did/340345002/

    Bullshit. Switzerland has lots of guns and doesn't have this problem. Japan has never allowed guns and their suicide rate is off the charts. HTH
    Who the fuck is talking about banning guns? Stay on topic dumbfuck.
    Another important point is that the police responded to this kids house 36 times for domestic violence and elder abuse. The FBI was warned about him and yet still no one investigated. No criminal record allowed him to buy the rifle as he could pass the background check. Multiple levels of failure on this kid.
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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,919
    Finally...

    Someone with a voice of reason starts a thread on this issue.

    So glad to hear you made it back safe after your travels.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,868 Founders Club
    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    I was traveling all day so y'all didn't get the pleasure of my posts. But I read through most of it and you guys read just like my FB page. "There have been 18 school shootings this year" then "that's fake news" followed by "we need more guns in school and no gun free zones".

    The reality is, if the NRA sticks to it's "zero gun control" philosophy, we will become Australia. There will be enough outcry from the public to make it happen. The NRA needs to step up with some reasonable measures to reduce the amount of deaths. Here's what happened in Australia and you'll read more about this as more shootings happen.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/02/15/australia-hasnt-had-fatal-mass-shooting-since-1996-heres-what-did/340345002/

    Bullshit. Switzerland has lots of guns and doesn't have this problem. Japan has never allowed guns and their suicide rate is off the charts. HTH
    Who the fuck is talking about banning guns? Stay on topic dumbfuck.
    Another important point is that the police responded to this kids house 36 times for domestic violence and elder abuse. The FBI was warned about him and yet still no one investigated. No criminal record allowed him to buy the rifle as he could pass the background check. Multiple levels of failure on this kid.
    Seems to me there is common ground on this issue at least. Our? checks and balances suck when it comes to background checks. No way this kid should have a gun legally
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,868 Founders Club
    https://vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback


    Australia was a mandatory buy back aka confiscation of guns. They got results. Maybe that would work here but be honest about what you are after - taking people's guns.

    Banning bump stocks isn't going to do anything. Kids take their parents legal guns and shoot up schools so take the guns.

    Switzerland argues the other side of the issue. They encourage citizens to have guns and don't have anywhere near our problems.

    Maybe the USA is the USA and our issues are more complex that its just one thing. There is a tipping point close by that might allow us to do something (shout out to Taggs). Let's do something intelligent for a change.

    From the article

    Wednesday's mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida seems bound to evoke some sort of national conversation about gun control. Which means there will likely be some sort of debate about whether it would even be possible for the US to limit its millions of privately held guns — by far a higher per capita gun ownership rate than any other country.

    It is worth considering, as one data point in the pool of evidence about what sorts of gun control policies do and do not work, the experience of Australia. Between October 1996 and September 1997, Australia responded to its own gun violence problem with a solution that was both straightforward and severe: It collected roughly 650,000 privately held guns. It was one of the largest mandatory gun buyback programs in recent history.

    And it worked. That does not mean that something even remotely similar would work in the US — they are, needless to say, different countries — but it is worth at least looking at their experience.
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    I was traveling all day so y'all didn't get the pleasure of my posts. But I read through most of it and you guys read just like my FB page. "There have been 18 school shootings this year" then "that's fake news" followed by "we need more guns in school and no gun free zones".

    The reality is, if the NRA sticks to it's "zero gun control" philosophy, we will become Australia. There will be enough outcry from the public to make it happen. The NRA needs to step up with some reasonable measures to reduce the amount of deaths. Here's what happened in Australia and you'll read more about this as more shootings happen.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/02/15/australia-hasnt-had-fatal-mass-shooting-since-1996-heres-what-did/340345002/

    Bullshit. Switzerland has lots of guns and doesn't have this problem. Japan has never allowed guns and their suicide rate is off the charts. HTH
    Who the fuck is talking about banning guns? Stay on topic dumbfuck.
    Why did you link to Australia then?
    Did your read my post? I'm saying that's what the public will start to demand if the NRA keeps up it's current positions.

    And to be clear, they didn't ban all guns, or confiscate all guns. And gun ownership there now is higher than it was in 1996.

    And also to be clear, I'm not saying, and have never said, to take away any guns in America.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,868 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    RaceBannon said:

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    I was traveling all day so y'all didn't get the pleasure of my posts. But I read through most of it and you guys read just like my FB page. "There have been 18 school shootings this year" then "that's fake news" followed by "we need more guns in school and no gun free zones".

    The reality is, if the NRA sticks to it's "zero gun control" philosophy, we will become Australia. There will be enough outcry from the public to make it happen. The NRA needs to step up with some reasonable measures to reduce the amount of deaths. Here's what happened in Australia and you'll read more about this as more shootings happen.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/02/15/australia-hasnt-had-fatal-mass-shooting-since-1996-heres-what-did/340345002/

    Bullshit. Switzerland has lots of guns and doesn't have this problem. Japan has never allowed guns and their suicide rate is off the charts. HTH
    Who the fuck is talking about banning guns? Stay on topic dumbfuck.
    Why did you link to Australia then?
    Did your read my post? I'm saying that's what the public will start to demand if the NRA keeps up it's current positions.

    And to be clear, they didn't ban all guns, or confiscate all guns. And gun ownership there now is higher than it was in 1996.

    And also to be clear, I'm not saying, and have never said, to take away any guns in America.
    You don't have the GUTS to say what you think. Who knows maybe the public is ready for it. Are you going to wait to be sure before you actually advocate for what you want?

    Lots of folks are taking this VOX article and running with it. Be a leader not a wimp
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