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Record Breaking Real Estate Sales in West Bellevue

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  • RedRocketRedRocket Member Posts: 1,527

    Talk to OBK. He's your guy on this one.
    I'm aware but I've take over the role of Chinese real estate protectionist superiority guy.
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,896
    edited February 2018
    dflea said:

    Yes.

    Foreign ownership of domestic real estate is exactly like tariffs applied to foreign made goods.

    Nice work.
    Oh so it's BAAADDD to put a tax on imported products that line the pockets of foreign entities abroad and take work away from American companies and workers.

    But just A-OKAY to tax foreigners who purchase real estate here.

    Got it.


    You're not real smart are ya?
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,896

    Agree 100%

    I was just on the road listening to StephenA on the radio. Made me really want yell at someone. A protectionist doesn’t want any part of me today!
    You mean that big bad ex chauvinist who has lost that NW Bravado?



    Yeah sounds scary.
  • RedRocketRedRocket Member Posts: 1,527
    pawz said:


    How do you plan to implement that tax without being chided as "racist Donald Trump"?

    Serious question. I'm not certain our current political climate would allow that.
    The issue is so localized that it would have to be implemented at a city or county level. I'm not calling for a federal tax because it's only a potential problem in a handful of US cities.

    I think it would have to be done similar to the BC tax. It would get called xenophobic and I'm not sure it would garner enough support right now since it's not viewed as a big enough problem.

    In New Zealand their left leaning party was actually the side calling for the full ban on foreign property buying. Vancouver leans left like Seattle and their pushing hard to curb the problem. At some point the problem becomes too obvious to ignore and the protectionism seems to become bipartisan.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457




    WTF cares about the prices?!? The outrage should be over all the fucking Asians about to descend on the roadways.

    Wood
  • UWhuskytskeetUWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,113
    pawz said:


    Not sure what this is based on. A full 35-40% of our deals last year were to international buyers.
    https://www.seattletimes.com/business/real-estate/foreign-buyers-drop-off-as-seattle-housing-market-hits-hottest-tempo-since-2006-bubble/

    "But now, a new annual survey from the National Association of Realtors shows foreign home sales across Washington state dropped to $1.55 billion for the year ending in March, down 24 percent, from $2.05 billion, in the previous year. Washington fell out of the top 10 states attracting foreign homebuyers.

    What’s more, Juwai’s latest data show a 10?percent drop in inquiries from China for homes in Seattle, compared to a year ago. Buyers living in mainland China make up about one-third of overseas buyers in Washington, according to the Realtors group.

    Overseas buyers may have an outsized impact, but they still make up a small portion of sales. Statewide, they accounted for less than 4 percent of purchase value last year, based on the Realtor group’s survey and overall sales data compiled by the Northwest Multiple Listing Service."
  • phineasphineas Member Posts: 4,732
    This thread really gives me some perspective on how low down the totem pole I really am
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,964 Founders Club
    edited February 2018

    https://www.seattletimes.com/business/real-estate/foreign-buyers-drop-off-as-seattle-housing-market-hits-hottest-tempo-since-2006-bubble/

    "But now, a new annual survey from the National Association of Realtors shows foreign home sales across Washington state dropped to $1.55 billion for the year ending in March, down 24 percent, from $2.05 billion, in the previous year. Washington fell out of the top 10 states attracting foreign homebuyers.

    What’s more, Juwai’s latest data show a 10?percent drop in inquiries from China for homes in Seattle, compared to a year ago. Buyers living in mainland China make up about one-third of overseas buyers in Washington, according to the Realtors group.

    Overseas buyers may have an outsized impact, but they still make up a small portion of sales. Statewide, they accounted for less than 4 percent of purchase value last year, based on the Realtor group’s survey and overall sales data compiled by the Northwest Multiple Listing Service."
    The sentence in the article immediately after the last you quoted:

    But the ratio is higher in places like Bellevue, local realtors say.



    Which has been our experience.

  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    pawz said:

    The sentence in the article immediately after the last you quoted:

    But the ratio is higher in places like Bellevue, local realtors say.



    Which has been our experience.

    You just showed him!!!
  • UWhuskytskeetUWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,113
    pawz said:

    The sentence in the article immediately after the last you quoted:

    But the ratio is higher in places like Bellevue, local realtors say.



    Which has been our experience.

    Do you guys specialize in foreign buyers or something? 35+% obviously isn't the norm.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Do you guys specialize in foreign buyers or something? 35+% obviously isn't the norm.
    Pawz isn't big on facts.
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,964 Founders Club
    edited February 2018

    Do you guys specialize in foreign buyers or something? 35+% obviously isn't the norm.

    If we 'specialize' in anything, it's having listings. That is the ratio of people buying those listings in the greater Eastside market. The draw for the international buyer is schools*.

    We do have mandarin speaking people in our firm to bridge the language barrier. It's crucial.


    (*I know schools is captain obvious stuff, but the international buyer pays more attention to it than a local buyer. A local buyer in that category is likely already sending their kid to private school.)
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,964 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    Pawz isn't big on facts.

    Run along. The adults are talking.

  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,964 Founders Club
    edited February 2018
    But how did the discount broker cost their buyer SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS ??


    Sale #1 - $14,252,500
    8,200' house
    1.25 acre
    162' west-facing waterfront

    Sale #2 - $21,000,000
    11,500' house
    2.6 acre
    265' west-facing waterfront

    Sale #3 - $23,375,000
    8900' house (brand new)
    1.84 acre
    80' south-facing waterfront
    300' feet of view
    (I know that sounds hokey, but you would have had to see it and the lot didn't have a normal shape. A big challenge w/ a lot of waterfront lots in our area is the lots are long and narrow, creating a tunnel-vision view.)

    Sale #4 - $9,000,000
    3,330' house (likely a tear down)
    0.76 acre
    89' south-facing waterfront
    (off-market transaction)



    Subject Property - $26,750,000
    5,330' house (tear down)
    2.59 acre
    150' south-facing waterfront
    Long, skinny 'tunnel-vision' lot.



    Houses #1, #2 and #3 were absolutely pristine. #4 is a tear-down where a neighbor added the lot to his existing estate.

    #2 and #3 are the best comps. One could argue #2 was sold-under value and is an $8-$10M house. #3 is a $7-$8M house, leaving $13.5M for the dirt.



    End of the day, given the Subject has to be torn down (likely putting $10-$15 in the rebuild over 3-5 years), I have a REALLY hard time valuing the Subject over $20M.

    Now, would the Seller have sold for less than $26.75M? I really don't know.





  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,994 Standard Supporter
    TL, DR. Jesus Pawz! You just went mathematical Tequila on us.
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,964 Founders Club

    TL, DR. Jesus Pawz! You just went mathematical Tequila on us.

    Yeah ... well .... Sorry, not sorry.

    When you're gonna drop 8-figures on a piece of dirt, you should really do the maffs.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,994 Standard Supporter
    pawz said:

    Yeah ... well .... Sorry, not sorry.

    When you're gonna drop 8-figures on a piece of dirt, you should really do the maffs.
    Probably worth the money to watch Seattle burn to the ground from across the lake.
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,964 Founders Club

    Probably worth the money to watch Seattle burn to the ground from across the lake.

    A lot of people coming across the lake after Seattle passed the income-tax ....

  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,994 Standard Supporter
    pawz said:


    A lot of people coming across the lake after Seattle passed the income-tax ....

    The reasons to leave are innumerable and multiplying like rabbits.
  • UWhuskytskeetUWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,113
    pawz said:


    A lot of people coming across the lake after Seattle passed the income-tax ....

    That was struck down in court almost immediately.
    pawz said:

    But how did the discount broker cost their buyer SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS ??


    Sale #1 - $14,252,500
    8,200' house
    1.25 acre
    162' west-facing waterfront

    Sale #2 - $21,000,000
    11,500' house
    2.6 acre
    265' west-facing waterfront

    Sale #3 - $23,375,000
    8900' house (brand new)
    1.84 acre
    80' south-facing waterfront
    300' feet of view
    (I know that sounds hokey, but you would have had to see it and the lot didn't have a normal shape. A big challenge w/ a lot of waterfront lots in our area is the lots are long and narrow, creating a tunnel-vision view.)

    Sale #4 - $9,000,000
    3,330' house (likely a tear down)
    0.76 acre
    89' south-facing waterfront
    (off-market transaction)



    Subject Property - $26,750,000
    5,330' house (tear down)
    2.59 acre
    150' south-facing waterfront
    Long, skinny 'tunnel-vision' lot.



    Houses #1, #2 and #3 were absolutely pristine. #4 is a tear-down where a neighbor added the lot to his existing estate.

    #2 and #3 are the best comps. One could argue #2 was sold-under value and is an $8-$10M house. #3 is a $7-$8M house, leaving $13.5M for the dirt.



    End of the day, given the Subject has to be torn down (likely putting $10-$15 in the rebuild over 3-5 years), I have a REALLY hard time valuing the Subject over $20M.

    Now, would the Seller have sold for less than $26.75M? I really don't know.





    How often are 2.6 acre waterfront lots listed in Medina though? I agree it seems like they overpaid, but there are only a handful of lots that size.
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