eh, asu may be in a bit more trouble than we thought...

doogie · February 2018

Sark finished dead last in PAC-12 recruiting his first year. In 2009 he recruited two players from the state of WA. Desmond Trufant and Andru Pulu.

Kaepsknee · February 2018

doogie said:
Sark finished dead last in PAC-12 recruiting his first year. In 2009 he recruited two players from the state of WA. Desmond Trufant and Andru Pulu.

A Very Cristoballian class.

RaceBannon · February 2018

If beating our DAWGS meant ASU didn't suck then ASU wouldn't suck.

However. ...

Pitchfork51 · February 2018

RaceBannon said:
If beating our DAWGS meant ASU didn't suck then ASU wouldn't suck.

However. ...

Very true.

Beating Washington every year is just one of those weird things in life that has no real bearing on anything else.

Keeps you guys humble and hungry.

AZDuck · February 2018

I think I'm going to get a ton of mileage from this shitty gif

theknowledge · February 2018

Pitchfork51 said:

theknowledge said:

rodmansrage said:
maybe herm just long conning us all?

http://twitter.com/SunDevilSource/status/961385293860421632
They whiffed on the top ten in state prospects. That is continuing a poor trend started by his predecessor. Not even Sark did that and he DNGAF about Washington State. After Croswell and Robertson this class will have to rely on evaluation and development. No one knows if Herm is good at either. Anyone know how his draft history in the NFL was? Did he whiff more than he hit? Might be a good indicator of his eval skills although when you are in the 30-40 rank in recruiting range you need to long term project prospects as well. Who knows? I'm so glad he's in our conference.
Herms transition class > petermans transition class

Herms > Peterman

Case closed
End of discussion

But let's be real. Herm isn't evaluating shit. Isn't calling plays either. He's there to be the hype man. It's glorious.

Disagree.
You or I can bump this in three years.
Budda
Sydney MF Jones
Greg Gaines
Jo Jo Mac
Dissley Dwag
Keleb Mcgary

Thats six first or second team All Pac performers in a TRANSITION class. EVALUATION is key. We? do it better than most.

Not sure but Virta may have been a late addition in that class as well. Don't twist if not.

dnc · February 2018

AZDuck said:

I think I'm going to get a ton of mileage from this shitty gif

gif?

dnc · February 2018

theknowledge said:

Pitchfork51 said:

theknowledge said:

rodmansrage said:
maybe herm just long conning us all?

http://twitter.com/SunDevilSource/status/961385293860421632
They whiffed on the top ten in state prospects. That is continuing a poor trend started by his predecessor. Not even Sark did that and he DNGAF about Washington State. After Croswell and Robertson this class will have to rely on evaluation and development. No one knows if Herm is good at either. Anyone know how his draft history in the NFL was? Did he whiff more than he hit? Might be a good indicator of his eval skills although when you are in the 30-40 rank in recruiting range you need to long term project prospects as well. Who knows? I'm so glad he's in our conference.
Herms transition class > petermans transition class

Herms > Peterman

Case closed
End of discussion

But let's be real. Herm isn't evaluating shit. Isn't calling plays either. He's there to be the hype man. It's glorious.
Disagree.
You or I can bump this in three years.
Budda
Sydney MF Jones
Greg Gaines
Jo Jo Mac
Dissley Dwag
Keleb Mcgary

Thats six first or second team All Pac performers in a TRANSITION class. EVALUATION is key. We? do it better than most.

Not sure but Virta may have been a late addition in that class as well. Don't twist if not.

Vea was part of that class.

theknowledge · February 2018

dnc said:

theknowledge said:

Pitchfork51 said:

theknowledge said:

rodmansrage said:
maybe herm just long conning us all?

http://twitter.com/SunDevilSource/status/961385293860421632
They whiffed on the top ten in state prospects. That is continuing a poor trend started by his predecessor. Not even Sark did that and he DNGAF about Washington State. After Croswell and Robertson this class will have to rely on evaluation and development. No one knows if Herm is good at either. Anyone know how his draft history in the NFL was? Did he whiff more than he hit? Might be a good indicator of his eval skills although when you are in the 30-40 rank in recruiting range you need to long term project prospects as well. Who knows? I'm so glad he's in our conference.
Herms transition class > petermans transition class

Herms > Peterman

Case closed
End of discussion

But let's be real. Herm isn't evaluating shit. Isn't calling plays either. He's there to be the hype man. It's glorious.
Disagree.
You or I can bump this in three years.
Budda
Sydney MF Jones
Greg Gaines
Jo Jo Mac
Dissley Dwag
Keleb Mcgary

Thats six first or second team All Pac performers in a TRANSITION class. EVALUATION is key. We? do it better than most.

Not sure but Virta may have been a late addition in that class as well. Don't twist if not.
Vea was part of that class.

Then that was one of the best non-Bruce Wayne transition classes ever. I checked and I left out Jaylen Johnson and Dante Pettis. Gardenhire was decent before the weed and Bowman is in the depth. With Vita that is nine high level starters and one depth/rotation guy. That class was ranked 38. Let that sink in. What will Pete do with a class ranked in the top ten? Holy fuck all.

Pitchfork51 · February 2018

theknowledge said:

dnc said:

theknowledge said:

Pitchfork51 said:

theknowledge said:

rodmansrage said:
maybe herm just long conning us all?

http://twitter.com/SunDevilSource/status/961385293860421632
They whiffed on the top ten in state prospects. That is continuing a poor trend started by his predecessor. Not even Sark did that and he DNGAF about Washington State. After Croswell and Robertson this class will have to rely on evaluation and development. No one knows if Herm is good at either. Anyone know how his draft history in the NFL was? Did he whiff more than he hit? Might be a good indicator of his eval skills although when you are in the 30-40 rank in recruiting range you need to long term project prospects as well. Who knows? I'm so glad he's in our conference.
Herms transition class > petermans transition class

Herms > Peterman

Case closed
End of discussion

But let's be real. Herm isn't evaluating shit. Isn't calling plays either. He's there to be the hype man. It's glorious.
Disagree.
You or I can bump this in three years.
Budda
Sydney MF Jones
Greg Gaines
Jo Jo Mac
Dissley Dwag
Keleb Mcgary

Thats six first or second team All Pac performers in a TRANSITION class. EVALUATION is key. We? do it better than most.

Not sure but Virta may have been a late addition in that class as well. Don't twist if not.
Vea was part of that class.
Then that was one of the best non-Bruce Wayne transition classes ever. I checked and I left out Jaylen Johnson and Dante Pettis. Gardenhire was decent before the weed and Bowman is in the depth. With Vita that is nine high level starters and one depth/rotation guy. That class was ranked 38. Let that sink in. What will Pete do with a class ranked in the top ten? Holy fuck all.

Play try hard white qbs

dnc · February 2018

theknowledge said:

dnc said:

theknowledge said:

Pitchfork51 said:

theknowledge said:

rodmansrage said:
maybe herm just long conning us all?

http://twitter.com/SunDevilSource/status/961385293860421632
They whiffed on the top ten in state prospects. That is continuing a poor trend started by his predecessor. Not even Sark did that and he DNGAF about Washington State. After Croswell and Robertson this class will have to rely on evaluation and development. No one knows if Herm is good at either. Anyone know how his draft history in the NFL was? Did he whiff more than he hit? Might be a good indicator of his eval skills although when you are in the 30-40 rank in recruiting range you need to long term project prospects as well. Who knows? I'm so glad he's in our conference.
Herms transition class > petermans transition class

Herms > Peterman

Case closed
End of discussion

But let's be real. Herm isn't evaluating shit. Isn't calling plays either. He's there to be the hype man. It's glorious.
Disagree.
You or I can bump this in three years.
Budda
Sydney MF Jones
Greg Gaines
Jo Jo Mac
Dissley Dwag
Keleb Mcgary

Thats six first or second team All Pac performers in a TRANSITION class. EVALUATION is key. We? do it better than most.

Not sure but Virta may have been a late addition in that class as well. Don't twist if not.
Vea was part of that class.
Then that was one of the best non-Bruce Wayne transition classes ever. I checked and I left out Jaylen Johnson and Dante Pettis. Gardenhire was decent before the weed and Bowman is in the depth. With Vita that is nine high level starters and one depth/rotation guy. That class was ranked 38. Let that sink in. What will Pete do with a class ranked in the top ten? Holy fuck all.

The danger here is set expectations around an outlier. Pete's a great evaluator and developer of talent but he's not THAT good. It's like Seahawks fans thinking Schneider's 2011 and 2012 drafts were going to be normative.

I think Pete will do great with this class. I doubt he'll get as many overachievers as he did in his transition class though.

RaceBannon · February 2018

dnc said:

theknowledge said:

dnc said:

theknowledge said:

Pitchfork51 said:

theknowledge said:

rodmansrage said:
maybe herm just long conning us all?

http://twitter.com/SunDevilSource/status/961385293860421632
They whiffed on the top ten in state prospects. That is continuing a poor trend started by his predecessor. Not even Sark did that and he DNGAF about Washington State. After Croswell and Robertson this class will have to rely on evaluation and development. No one knows if Herm is good at either. Anyone know how his draft history in the NFL was? Did he whiff more than he hit? Might be a good indicator of his eval skills although when you are in the 30-40 rank in recruiting range you need to long term project prospects as well. Who knows? I'm so glad he's in our conference.
Herms transition class > petermans transition class

Herms > Peterman

Case closed
End of discussion

But let's be real. Herm isn't evaluating shit. Isn't calling plays either. He's there to be the hype man. It's glorious.
Disagree.
You or I can bump this in three years.
Budda
Sydney MF Jones
Greg Gaines
Jo Jo Mac
Dissley Dwag
Keleb Mcgary

Thats six first or second team All Pac performers in a TRANSITION class. EVALUATION is key. We? do it better than most.

Not sure but Virta may have been a late addition in that class as well. Don't twist if not.
Vea was part of that class.
Then that was one of the best non-Bruce Wayne transition classes ever. I checked and I left out Jaylen Johnson and Dante Pettis. Gardenhire was decent before the weed and Bowman is in the depth. With Vita that is nine high level starters and one depth/rotation guy. That class was ranked 38. Let that sink in. What will Pete do with a class ranked in the top ten? Holy fuck all.
The danger here is set expectations around an outlier. Pete's a great evaluator and developer of talent but he's not THAT good. It's like Seahawks fans thinking Schneider's 2011 and 2012 drafts were going to be normative.

I think Pete will do great with this class. I doubt he'll get as many overachievers as he did in his transition class though.

There is some psychology in play here. I don't want to trigger Dennis but a lower rated guy with a chip on his shoulder might just do more to get better than the guy who has been told all his life that he is a special super star. Like a typical Trojan commit

That's where coaching comes in. A great one will take that 5 star and get him to improve the way an 18 year old should. Like Saban

And hopefully Pete

dnc · February 2018

RaceBannon said:

dnc said:

theknowledge said:

dnc said:

theknowledge said:

Pitchfork51 said:

theknowledge said:

rodmansrage said:
maybe herm just long conning us all?

http://twitter.com/SunDevilSource/status/961385293860421632
They whiffed on the top ten in state prospects. That is continuing a poor trend started by his predecessor. Not even Sark did that and he DNGAF about Washington State. After Croswell and Robertson this class will have to rely on evaluation and development. No one knows if Herm is good at either. Anyone know how his draft history in the NFL was? Did he whiff more than he hit? Might be a good indicator of his eval skills although when you are in the 30-40 rank in recruiting range you need to long term project prospects as well. Who knows? I'm so glad he's in our conference.
Herms transition class > petermans transition class

Herms > Peterman

Case closed
End of discussion

But let's be real. Herm isn't evaluating shit. Isn't calling plays either. He's there to be the hype man. It's glorious.
Disagree.
You or I can bump this in three years.
Budda
Sydney MF Jones
Greg Gaines
Jo Jo Mac
Dissley Dwag
Keleb Mcgary

Thats six first or second team All Pac performers in a TRANSITION class. EVALUATION is key. We? do it better than most.

Not sure but Virta may have been a late addition in that class as well. Don't twist if not.
Vea was part of that class.
Then that was one of the best non-Bruce Wayne transition classes ever. I checked and I left out Jaylen Johnson and Dante Pettis. Gardenhire was decent before the weed and Bowman is in the depth. With Vita that is nine high level starters and one depth/rotation guy. That class was ranked 38. Let that sink in. What will Pete do with a class ranked in the top ten? Holy fuck all.
The danger here is set expectations around an outlier. Pete's a great evaluator and developer of talent but he's not THAT good. It's like Seahawks fans thinking Schneider's 2011 and 2012 drafts were going to be normative.

I think Pete will do great with this class. I doubt he'll get as many overachievers as he did in his transition class though.
There is some psychology in play here. I don't want to trigger Dennis but a lower rated guy with a chip on his shoulder might just do more to get better than the guy who has been told all his life that he is a special super star. Like a typical Trojan commit

That's where coaching comes in. A great one will take that 5 star and get him to improve the way an 18 year old should. Like Saban

And hopefully Pete

And this is why the OKG shit matters. I think Pete and co do a great job of finding kids who want to get better, even highly rated kids. Pete's bit about "we let them know it's going to be the hardest thing they ever do" rings true to me. I think they paint a difficult picture of life at UW intentionally to weed out the kids who primarily want "a good social atmosphere" and to be down with the bitches and hoes.

It keeps some fast strategy kids from jumping on bored who would probably thrive here but it also keeps a lot of fast strategy kids who would not thrive here from jumping on board.

As the UW brand allows Pete to get in on better and better kids, his ability to screen out the ones without a work ethic is going to continue to be a massive asset.

Talented kids with a willingness to work are going to take this program far.

TurdBomber · February 2018

I'm liking Race and DNC on the last two.

Which means I'm now dead to DDY.

Pitchfork51 · February 2018

Herm doesn't like okgs

dflea · February 2018

theknowledge said:

dnc said:

theknowledge said:

Pitchfork51 said:

theknowledge said:

rodmansrage said:
maybe herm just long conning us all?

http://twitter.com/SunDevilSource/status/961385293860421632
They whiffed on the top ten in state prospects. That is continuing a poor trend started by his predecessor. Not even Sark did that and he DNGAF about Washington State. After Croswell and Robertson this class will have to rely on evaluation and development. No one knows if Herm is good at either. Anyone know how his draft history in the NFL was? Did he whiff more than he hit? Might be a good indicator of his eval skills although when you are in the 30-40 rank in recruiting range you need to long term project prospects as well. Who knows? I'm so glad he's in our conference.
Herms transition class > petermans transition class

Herms > Peterman

Case closed
End of discussion

But let's be real. Herm isn't evaluating shit. Isn't calling plays either. He's there to be the hype man. It's glorious.
Disagree.
You or I can bump this in three years.
Budda
Sydney MF Jones
Greg Gaines
Jo Jo Mac
Dissley Dwag
Keleb Mcgary

Thats six first or second team All Pac performers in a TRANSITION class. EVALUATION is key. We? do it better than most.

Not sure but Virta may have been a late addition in that class as well. Don't twist if not.
Vea was part of that class.
Then that was one of the best non-Bruce Wayne transition classes ever. I checked and I left out Jaylen Johnson and Dante Pettis. Gardenhire was decent before the weed and Bowman is in the depth. With Vita that is nine high level starters and one depth/rotation guy. That class was ranked 38. Let that sink in. What will Pete do with a class ranked in the top ten? Holy fuck all.

I just got a boner.

haie · February 2018

dflea said:

theknowledge said:

dnc said:

theknowledge said:

Pitchfork51 said:

theknowledge said:

rodmansrage said:
maybe herm just long conning us all?

http://twitter.com/SunDevilSource/status/961385293860421632
They whiffed on the top ten in state prospects. That is continuing a poor trend started by his predecessor. Not even Sark did that and he DNGAF about Washington State. After Croswell and Robertson this class will have to rely on evaluation and development. No one knows if Herm is good at either. Anyone know how his draft history in the NFL was? Did he whiff more than he hit? Might be a good indicator of his eval skills although when you are in the 30-40 rank in recruiting range you need to long term project prospects as well. Who knows? I'm so glad he's in our conference.
Herms transition class > petermans transition class

Herms > Peterman

Case closed
End of discussion

But let's be real. Herm isn't evaluating shit. Isn't calling plays either. He's there to be the hype man. It's glorious.
Disagree.
You or I can bump this in three years.
Budda
Sydney MF Jones
Greg Gaines
Jo Jo Mac
Dissley Dwag
Keleb Mcgary

Thats six first or second team All Pac performers in a TRANSITION class. EVALUATION is key. We? do it better than most.

Not sure but Virta may have been a late addition in that class as well. Don't twist if not.
Vea was part of that class.
Then that was one of the best non-Bruce Wayne transition classes ever. I checked and I left out Jaylen Johnson and Dante Pettis. Gardenhire was decent before the weed and Bowman is in the depth. With Vita that is nine high level starters and one depth/rotation guy. That class was ranked 38. Let that sink in. What will Pete do with a class ranked in the top ten? Holy fuck all.
I just got a boner.

Just got a boner from another daWg getting a boner.

BlastDoor · February 2018

RaceBannon said:

dnc said:

theknowledge said:

dnc said:

theknowledge said:

Pitchfork51 said:

theknowledge said:

rodmansrage said:
maybe herm just long conning us all?

http://twitter.com/SunDevilSource/status/961385293860421632
They whiffed on the top ten in state prospects. That is continuing a poor trend started by his predecessor. Not even Sark did that and he DNGAF about Washington State. After Croswell and Robertson this class will have to rely on evaluation and development. No one knows if Herm is good at either. Anyone know how his draft history in the NFL was? Did he whiff more than he hit? Might be a good indicator of his eval skills although when you are in the 30-40 rank in recruiting range you need to long term project prospects as well. Who knows? I'm so glad he's in our conference.
Herms transition class > petermans transition class

Herms > Peterman

Case closed
End of discussion

But let's be real. Herm isn't evaluating shit. Isn't calling plays either. He's there to be the hype man. It's glorious.
Disagree.
You or I can bump this in three years.
Budda
Sydney MF Jones
Greg Gaines
Jo Jo Mac
Dissley Dwag
Keleb Mcgary

Thats six first or second team All Pac performers in a TRANSITION class. EVALUATION is key. We? do it better than most.

Not sure but Virta may have been a late addition in that class as well. Don't twist if not.
Vea was part of that class.
Then that was one of the best non-Bruce Wayne transition classes ever. I checked and I left out Jaylen Johnson and Dante Pettis. Gardenhire was decent before the weed and Bowman is in the depth. With Vita that is nine high level starters and one depth/rotation guy. That class was ranked 38. Let that sink in. What will Pete do with a class ranked in the top ten? Holy fuck all.
The danger here is set expectations around an outlier. Pete's a great evaluator and developer of talent but he's not THAT good. It's like Seahawks fans thinking Schneider's 2011 and 2012 drafts were going to be normative.

I think Pete will do great with this class. I doubt he'll get as many overachievers as he did in his transition class though.
There is some psychology in play here. I don't want to trigger Dennis but a lower rated guy with a chip on his shoulder might just do more to get better than the guy who has been told all his life that he is a special super star. Like a typical Trojan commit

That's where coaching comes in. A great one will take that 5 star and get him to improve the way an 18 year old should. Like Saban

And hopefully Pete

Not just coaching but culture. A 5* guy who has been told all his life he's special goes to places with shitty and soft cultures like UCLA and he turns into a talented 5* pussy. They know they can just coast on their status.

If a guy would try do this at Bama, Saban sends him to a shit Community College, then, some shitty FCS Alabama school. So he gets in line, works and turns into a 1st rounder. While a guy at UCLA would coast, get fat and go on the 7th round based on potential only.

NEPTUNE · July 2018

Purple_Pills said:

NEPTUNE said:

NEPTUNE said:
Hermy coaching ASU has the potential to be the most interesting aspect of the 2018 PAC season. The post game interviews, how he'll relate to today's teenagers, and just his overall cluelessnes. I got hi hopes.
I just want you all to understand...

What does @CokeGreaterThanPepsi think of this?

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