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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,715 Founders Club
    And?

    In contrast, President Obama increased the US Debt to GDP ratio his first year in office by 14.5%. Obama increased the rate a total of 37% over his 8 years in office.

    Is that what you heard?
  • Dude61
    Dude61 Member Posts: 1,254
  • Gwad
    Gwad Member Posts: 2,855
    Get your adult strollers out. The adult sized baby mobiles are dropping and @Dude61 is going shopping.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,035 Standard Supporter
    edited January 2018

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Gwad said:

    Of course the majority in any tax cut goes to corporations and the wealthy.


    They pay the most taxes.

    The tax code from over a half century ago was designed to put you into a higher tax bracket the wealthier you became. Why is this not fair, as your needs are being met.
    What argument are you making

    I'm saying that a 1 percent tax cut for the wealthy is bigger than a 10 percent for the common folk

    So when people throw out "most goes to the wealthy and corporations" well duh
    This is the point everyone misses. The tax cut is sold to grow the economy. If you give $1,000 to 10 middle class people. Every dollar off they goes back into the economy. If you give that same $10,000 to Bill Gates, he won't even notice it.

    While some corporations are giving bonuses and pay raises. Which is great. That's fractions of their cut. The majority is going to the stockholders through dividends and growth. And the vast majority of stock is not owned by the middle class.

    If the government has too much money, then I fully agree it should go to the wealthy.
    Money is being repatriated that NEVER would have come back. Lots of the money from cuts is going into expansion and hiring employees to fill the new jobs.

    I know this goes against your "the government will take care of me" mantra but get the hell over it comrade!
    Please to show us the spending cuts.
    "Time to slash this out of control government growth and overreach then the government won't need as much in taxes and they can be cut some more!
    Cutting taxes without cutting spending is dumb and bad.
    Exhibit A: Barak Obama who made the Bush tax cuts permanent while spending 5 trillion per term, without two fully engaged, full deployment wars like W had, which the Dems bitched about constantly.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Gwad said:

    Of course the majority in any tax cut goes to corporations and the wealthy.


    They pay the most taxes.

    The tax code from over a half century ago was designed to put you into a higher tax bracket the wealthier you became. Why is this not fair, as your needs are being met.
    What argument are you making

    I'm saying that a 1 percent tax cut for the wealthy is bigger than a 10 percent for the common folk

    So when people throw out "most goes to the wealthy and corporations" well duh
    This is the point everyone misses. The tax cut is sold to grow the economy. If you give $1,000 to 10 middle class people. Every dollar off they goes back into the economy. If you give that same $10,000 to Bill Gates, he won't even notice it.

    While some corporations are giving bonuses and pay raises. Which is great. That's fractions of their cut. The majority is going to the stockholders through dividends and growth. And the vast majority of stock is not owned by the middle class.

    If the government has too much money, then I fully agree it should go to the wealthy.
    Money is being repatriated that NEVER would have come back. Lots of the money from cuts is going into expansion and hiring employees to fill the new jobs.

    I know this goes against your "the government will take care of me" mantra but get the hell over it comrade!
    Please to show us the spending cuts.
    "Time to slash this out of control government growth and overreach then the government won't need as much in taxes and they can be cut some more!
    Cutting taxes without cutting spending is dumb and bad.
    Exhibit A: Barak Obama who made the Bush tax cuts permanent while spending 5 trillion per term, without two fully engaged, full deployment wars like W had, which the Dems bitched about constantly.
    Da fuq? All I heard about Obama was he raised taxes. Now you are saying he didn't?



    BTW he did raise taxes cause he's a tax and spend liberal. But at least he isn't a cut tax and spend "fiscal conservative".
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,715 Founders Club
    Gwad said:

    Get your adult strollers out. The adult sized baby mobiles are dropping and @Dude61 is going shopping.

    Beginning to question the non partisanship of @Gwad

  • Gwad
    Gwad Member Posts: 2,855

    Gwad said:

    Get your adult strollers out. The adult sized baby mobiles are dropping and @Dude61 is going shopping.

    Beginning to question the non partisanship of @Gwad

    The faster this two headed snake eats its self the better. I hope this restores the balance of your opinion. :smiley:
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    Today’s results:
    —Debt limit increase deadline moved up to early March (reduced withholdings from tax bill are increasing disparity between revenue and expenditures by an additional $15 billion a month). Get the printing press fired up, and tell China to write trump another check to fund federal spending!1!1
    —next CR to kick the FY2018 budget down the road for the 5th time required by Feb. 8.
    — FBI issues rare public statement saying nunes’s staff report is rife with material omissions and presents a “false narrative.”
    —house of rep train wreck is literal AND figurative.

    USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
    Who you got in the big game Sunday??!!1?!


  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Today’s results:
    —Debt limit increase deadline moved up to early March (reduced withholdings from tax bill are increasing disparity between revenue and expenditures by an additional $15 billion a month). Get the printing press fired up, and tell China to write trump another check to fund federal spending!1!1
    —next CR to kick the FY2018 budget down the road for the 5th time required by Feb. 8.
    — FBI issues rare public statement saying nunes’s staff report is rife with material omissions and presents a “false narrative.”
    —house of rep train wreck is literal AND figurative.

    USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
    Who you got in the big game Sunday??!!1?!


    Brietbart tells me America is great again. We are free from the communism and regulations. And jobs are flowing back into the country. Trump is responsible for the lowest unemployment for colored folk. And labor force participation doesn't matter.
  • Dude61
    Dude61 Member Posts: 1,254

    Today’s results:
    —Debt limit increase deadline moved up to early March (reduced withholdings from tax bill are increasing disparity between revenue and expenditures by an additional $15 billion a month). Get the printing press fired up, and tell China to write trump another check to fund federal spending!1!1
    —next CR to kick the FY2018 budget down the road for the 5th time required by Feb. 8.
    — FBI issues rare public statement saying nunes’s staff report is rife with material omissions and presents a “false narrative.”
    —house of rep train wreck is literal AND figurative.

    USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
    Who you got in the big game Sunday??!!1?!


    There is no "false narrative" in the FBI press release. The FBI has indicated that they have limited time to review the memo and have grave concerns about omissions.

    Translation: We’re worried about being exposed as the crooks we’re meant to catch
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    Dude61 said:

    Today’s results:
    —Debt limit increase deadline moved up to early March (reduced withholdings from tax bill are increasing disparity between revenue and expenditures by an additional $15 billion a month). Get the printing press fired up, and tell China to write trump another check to fund federal spending!1!1
    —next CR to kick the FY2018 budget down the road for the 5th time required by Feb. 8.
    — FBI issues rare public statement saying nunes’s staff report is rife with material omissions and presents a “false narrative.”
    —house of rep train wreck is literal AND figurative.

    USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
    Who you got in the big game Sunday??!!1?!


    There is no "false narrative" in the FBI press release. The FBI has indicated that they have limited time to review the memo and have grave concerns about omissions.

    Translation: We’re worried about being exposed as the crooks we’re meant to catch
    How is nunes’s staff report going to do that? Because the fbi and DOJ were BIASED in pursuing surveillance of carter page?

    The federal government should close once and for all Feb 8. what a collossal waste. Self government by imbeciles has failed.

  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,715 Founders Club
    We're going to read the memo and find out

    No one including the FBI is above the law. Power to the people. Down with the state
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    We're going to read the memo and find out

    No one including the FBI is above the law. Power to the people. Down with the state

    Agree. Down with the federal government!

    This entire episode could spur some much needed soul searching. If only the founding fathers had come up with an idea to limit federal overreach, and put power in the hands of government closest to the people, and farthest removed from Washington DC...

    Release the memo and unleash the shit show. Amazingly, it’s going to get worse.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,715 Founders Club
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390


    Awesome. I am fired up now. J Edgar Hoover was pure evil

    No justice, no peace!
    Burn baby burn!
    Free carter page! (?)
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    edited January 2018
    CNN so it’s probably fake news but,

    President Trump wants Chinese solar panels firms to make more of their products in the U.S. -- and they appear to be getting the message.
    A week after the Trump administration unveiled tariffs of up to 30% on imports of solar panels, one of China's biggest manufacturers announced that it plans to open a new plant in the U.S.

    http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/30/news/economy/jinko-solar-us-china-trump/index.html
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,662 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Gwad said:

    Of course the majority in any tax cut goes to corporations and the wealthy.


    They pay the most taxes.

    The tax code from over a half century ago was designed to put you into a higher tax bracket the wealthier you became. Why is this not fair, as your needs are being met.
    What argument are you making

    I'm saying that a 1 percent tax cut for the wealthy is bigger than a 10 percent for the common folk

    So when people throw out "most goes to the wealthy and corporations" well duh
    This is the point everyone misses. The tax cut is sold to grow the economy. If you give $1,000 to 10 middle class people. Every dollar off they goes back into the economy. If you give that same $10,000 to Bill Gates, he won't even notice it.

    While some corporations are giving bonuses and pay raises. Which is great. That's fractions of their cut. The majority is going to the stockholders through dividends and growth. And the vast majority of stock is not owned by the middle class.

    If the government has too much money, then I fully agree it should go to the wealthy.
    Money is being repatriated that NEVER would have come back. Lots of the money from cuts is going into expansion and hiring employees to fill the new jobs.

    I know this goes against your "the government will take care of me" mantra but get the hell over it comrade!
    Please to show us the spending cuts.
    "Time to slash this out of control government growth and overreach then the government won't need as much in taxes and they can be cut some more!
    Cutting taxes without cutting spending is dumb and bad.
    Exhibit A: Barak Obama who made the Bush tax cuts permanent while spending 5 trillion per term, without two fully engaged, full deployment wars like W had, which the Dems bitched about constantly.
    Da fuq? All I heard about Obama was he raised taxes. Now you are saying he didn't?



    BTW he did raise taxes cause he's a tax and spend liberal. But at least he isn't a cut tax and spend "fiscal conservative".
    Obamacare was largest tax hike in history of our country. HTH
  • RedRocket
    RedRocket Member Posts: 1,527
    doogie said:

    CNN so it’s probably fake news but,

    President Trump wants Chinese solar panels firms to make more of their products in the U.S. -- and they appear to be getting the message.
    A week after the Trump administration unveiled tariffs of up to 30% on imports of solar panels, one of China's biggest manufacturers announced that it plans to open a new plant in the U.S.

    http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/30/news/economy/jinko-solar-us-china-trump/index.html

    You were against solar before you were for it. But srsly why would China invest in an industry that's being propped up by the government if the government is going to stop propping it up?
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    I'm not anti solar. You're making that up.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,035 Standard Supporter
    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Gwad said:

    Of course the majority in any tax cut goes to corporations and the wealthy.

    They pay the most taxes.

    The tax code from over a half century ago was designed to put you into a higher tax bracket the wealthier you became. Why is this not fair, as your needs are being met.
    What argument are you making

    I'm saying that a 1 percent tax cut for the wealthy is bigger than a 10 percent for the common folk

    So when people throw out "most goes to the wealthy and corporations" well duh
    This is the point everyone misses. The tax cut is sold to grow the economy. If you give $1,000 to 10 middle class people. Every dollar off they goes back into the economy. If you give that same $10,000 to Bill Gates, he won't even notice it.

    While some corporations are giving bonuses and pay raises. Which is great. That's fractions of their cut. The majority is going to the stockholders through dividends and growth. And the vast majority of stock is not owned by the middle class.

    If the government has too much money, then I fully agree it should go to the wealthy.
    Money is being repatriated that NEVER would have come back. Lots of the money from cuts is going into expansion and hiring employees to fill the new jobs.

    I know this goes against your "the government will take care of me" mantra but get the hell over it comrade!
    Please to show us the spending cuts.
    "Time to slash this out of control government growth and overreach then the government won't need as much in taxes and they can be cut some more!
    Cutting taxes without cutting spending is dumb and bad.
    Exhibit A: Barak Obama who made the Bush tax cuts permanent while spending 5 trillion per term, without two fully engaged, full deployment wars like W had, which the Dems bitched about constantly.
    Da fuq? All I heard about Obama was he raised taxes. Now you are saying he didn't?

    BTW he did raise taxes cause he's a tax and spend liberal. But at least he isn't a cut tax and spend "fiscal conservative".
    He didn't touch the Wall Street 1% benefactors who put him in office.

    It's hilarious that so many people overlook the obvious, so I'll say it again:

    Republicans go to Washington DC to represent the rich.
    Democrats go to Washington DC to get rich.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    2001400ex said:

    Gwad said:

    Of course the majority in any tax cut goes to corporations and the wealthy.

    They pay the most taxes.

    The tax code from over a half century ago was designed to put you into a higher tax bracket the wealthier you became. Why is this not fair, as your needs are being met.
    What argument are you making

    I'm saying that a 1 percent tax cut for the wealthy is bigger than a 10 percent for the common folk

    So when people throw out "most goes to the wealthy and corporations" well duh
    This is the point everyone misses. The tax cut is sold to grow the economy. If you give $1,000 to 10 middle class people. Every dollar off they goes back into the economy. If you give that same $10,000 to Bill Gates, he won't even notice it.

    While some corporations are giving bonuses and pay raises. Which is great. That's fractions of their cut. The majority is going to the stockholders through dividends and growth. And the vast majority of stock is not owned by the middle class.

    If the government has too much money, then I fully agree it should go to the wealthy.
    Money is being repatriated that NEVER would have come back. Lots of the money from cuts is going into expansion and hiring employees to fill the new jobs.

    I know this goes against your "the government will take care of me" mantra but get the hell over it comrade!
    Please to show us the spending cuts.
    "Time to slash this out of control government growth and overreach then the government won't need as much in taxes and they can be cut some more!
    Cutting taxes without cutting spending is dumb and bad.
    Exhibit A: Barak Obama who made the Bush tax cuts permanent while spending 5 trillion per term, without two fully engaged, full deployment wars like W had, which the Dems bitched about constantly.
    Da fuq? All I heard about Obama was he raised taxes. Now you are saying he didn't?

    BTW he did raise taxes cause he's a tax and spend liberal. But at least he isn't a cut tax and spend "fiscal conservative".
    He didn't touch the Wall Street 1% benefactors who put him in office.

    It's hilarious that so many people overlook the obvious, so I'll say it again:

    Republicans go to Washington DC to represent the rich.
    Democrats go to Washington DC to get rich.
    Wut? He raised the top tax rate from 36% to 39.6%. And he added a tax on capital gains over a threshold, like $500k, of 3%.
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    edited February 2018
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    doogie said:
    Oh got it. So Trump didn't cut my taxes either. Thanks Congress!!!
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,035 Standard Supporter

    I'll make it simple, so a even a preschool retard like Hondo can understand.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,662 Standard Supporter


    I'll make it simple, so a even a preschool retard like Hondo can understand.

    Great now you've offended preschool retards with that comparison! ISAFNPRC
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,715 Founders Club
    The 1% did great under Obama because they do great under anyone. The middle and poor did not hence TRUMP

    Now we actually have a tax plan that helps the middle both on their taxes and on the taxes of the people they work for. So naturally the dems claim its for the 1%

    Liars lie its what they do