Too White to Win (now enhanced with an evolutionary biology lecture!)
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Fuck you and your blatant anti Hawaiian biasRhythmicSlappingDawg said:Our NFL guys swag out too. Kevin King, Sid, Mickens (lol) and Peters. Use them as examples. Budda doesn't swag out but he is a helluva player.
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Not to forget that we are in the same divison as the masters of slow strategy recruiting of scrappy inner city white kids that can play. And white blacksDennis_DeYoung said:This is also - by the way (looking at you @TierbsHsotBoobs) - why recruiting probably matters MORE for Pete than any other coach.
Recruiting is really two different things:
1. The ability to identify talent.
2. The ability to sell those people on coming to your school.
Recruiting matters more in both cases for Pete because... if his appeals don't work as much with FS black kids, and the majority of recruits are FS black kids, we are going to need to hit at a MUCH HIGHER rate than average with the kids we recruit.
It's fine if Pete wants to only recruit OKG types, slow strategy whiteys or whatever... but given that those players are only going to be about 30% of the players in CFB, we better fucking identify them correctly and convert.
It can be done, but we are self-handicapping on the front end to get back end results. It's a strategy, that's for sure.
I'm looking at you David Shaw
Not sure if its a good idea to make that our strategy when you can't blame a kid for taking a Stanford offer -
This is the thing, right... we have to somehow differentiate ourselves from Stanford in this messaging.RaceBannon said:
Not to forget that we are in the same divison as the masters of slow strategy recruiting of scrappy inner city white kids that can play. And white blacksDennis_DeYoung said:This is also - by the way (looking at you @TierbsHsotBoobs) - why recruiting probably matters MORE for Pete than any other coach.
Recruiting is really two different things:
1. The ability to identify talent.
2. The ability to sell those people on coming to your school.
Recruiting matters more in both cases for Pete because... if his appeals don't work as much with FS black kids, and the majority of recruits are FS black kids, we are going to need to hit at a MUCH HIGHER rate than average with the kids we recruit.
It's fine if Pete wants to only recruit OKG types, slow strategy whiteys or whatever... but given that those players are only going to be about 30% of the players in CFB, we better fucking identify them correctly and convert.
It can be done, but we are self-handicapping on the front end to get back end results. It's a strategy, that's for sure.
I'm looking at you David Shaw
Not sure if its a good idea to make that our strategy when you can't blame a kid for taking a Stanford offer
If we are trying to recruit similar types of kids, the 'go play for the most successful black coach in CFB and get a degree from Stanford' message is going to be a little bit difficult to beat as long as they're winning.
That's why I think getting guys on staff like Will Harris is important, so we don't end up with a bunch of Tevises. I like Tevis, don't get me wrong. Dude is a good player and can be good on a good team.
But those guys are rare. However, he's one of our biggest recruiting wins if you look at it objectively and there's a reason why: he's a white kid from Wyoming who couldn't get into Stanford and we beat Oregon for him. -
OK, one thing we CANNOT do is change the FS acronym. It does NOT mean Fast Strategy.
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There are multiple FS'swhlinder said:OK, one thing we CANNOT do is change the FS acronym. It does NOT mean Fast Strategy.
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What about zie SS?whlinder said:OK, one thing we CANNOT do is change the FS acronym. It does NOT mean Fast Strategy.
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It's almost as if a Stanford gets more smart kids than UW and a Stanford Degree has cachet.
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TurdBuffer said:
It's almost as if a Stanford gets more smart kids than UW and a Stanford Degree has cachet.
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^^^Niche market strategy which is essentially what you have to resort to as a tier II program. The trouble being, as poonted out, that Stanford already has a good handle on our same target market and *potentially a better product/value proposition.Dennis_DeYoung said:This is also - by the way (looking at you @TierbsHsotBoobs) - why recruiting probably matters MORE for Pete than any other coach.
Recruiting is really two different things:
1. The ability to identify talent.
2. The ability to sell those people on coming to your school.
Recruiting matters more in both cases for Pete because... if his appeals don't work as much with FS black kids, and the majority of recruits are FS black kids, we are going to need to hit at a MUCH HIGHER rate than average with the kids we recruit.
It's fine if Pete wants to only recruit OKG types, slow strategy whiteys or whatever... but given that those players are only going to be about 30% of the players in CFB, we better fucking identify them correctly and convert.
It can be done, but we are self-handicapping on the front end to get back end results. It's a strategy, that's for sure.
As you said, once we start putting guys in the league(regularly) we should be able to better market to fast strategy kids and adjust our marketing approach. Until then, we are caught somewhere in the middle. -
Correlation vs. Causation
While DDY seems to have a good handle on it it seems like people still want an easy answer of "we need more black kids" and/or "we need a black coach to recruit fast strategy kids".
The racial component is socially constructed and pretty FS. There's not an easy way to group anyone into a simple racial group and say, "they genetically excel at such and such." As poonted out, you're going to have to get more and more specific to make any such claim ex. African Americans that are more than 80% of West African Decent belonging to such and such and such tribes...
This means that you are really specifying geographic genetic groups rather than racial groups. Those are two different things even if they have some overlap.
TLDR There's more genetic variation within a racial group than between racial groups. We DO need coaches who grew up fast strategy to relate to fast strategy youth.
