Russell Okung actually smart for once
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Give them the choice of either their scholarship or some fucking stipend/other form of payment so we can all go back to sucking each other’s dicks every Fall Saturday.
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Why not both?haie said:Give them the choice of either their scholarship or some fucking stipend/other form of payment so we can all go back to sucking each other’s dicks every Fall Saturday.
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Yes! Fucking yes. This is so simple.RaceBannon said:How do you administer it? Barkley can make 100 grand for his likeness but his anonymous O line won't get shit?
I've been making this argument for over five years. Johnny Football could have made millions of dollars in college and should have. Just like if I create an app while I'm in college on an education scholarship and make a million dollars I don't lose my scholarship and it's not the end of education.
Johnny Football can make millions because of who he is. A free ride scholarship for the third string guard is a sweet fucking deal for them.
You keep it really simple to the rules of they can't use anything with the University name or logo to make money. Anything else fair game. The scholarship agreement allows the University to use your image while you play there with nothing owed to the player.
It doesn't impact recruiting, Title 9, or the game in any way. It actually preserves college football long term. It also keeps tweeners in school another year way more often. -
Mosster47 said:
Hi.RealRhino said:I think it's still an open question how this will all play out. I have to question the mindset of anybody that quits on his teammates, though. Do I want that guy on my team? I don't care much about the commitment he made to his coach or his school or whatever, but with my kids it's always been, you join a team, you are with them until the bitter end. You made a commitment to your teammates. You can quit when the season's over, but not before. If a guy is making business decisions in college, is he going to be making "business decisions" in a playoff game when we are down 14? Fuck that guy.
Look, even if Okung is right, he's wrong. You factor in the long-term value of a college education, these guys are getting paid the equivalent of MILLIONS of dollars for playing college football. Far more than they'd just get paid to play. And yes, Saquon Barkley and Sam Darnold could get paid for more than just a scholarship, but great guys like JoJo and Bierria and MyTevis would be left without a scholarship.
Let's say you are really good at something, like signing. It has a shelf life, your voice will fade very quickly after age 25.
You're in a band now, you play small venues and bars. You break even but you're getting good experience.
A record company asks just you to a deal for millions of dollars but you have to leave the band and join a different one the record company already formed.
Are you signing for free again? Me neither.
Your contract requires you to play 1 more show...do you bail?
No one is saying they should pass on the NFL, just to complete your obligation. That was the deal.
So you would agree with schools cutting scholarships midseason if they aren't performing? millions on the line for schools -
Student athletes aren't under contract like that.TommySQC said:Mosster47 said:
Hi.RealRhino said:I think it's still an open question how this will all play out. I have to question the mindset of anybody that quits on his teammates, though. Do I want that guy on my team? I don't care much about the commitment he made to his coach or his school or whatever, but with my kids it's always been, you join a team, you are with them until the bitter end. You made a commitment to your teammates. You can quit when the season's over, but not before. If a guy is making business decisions in college, is he going to be making "business decisions" in a playoff game when we are down 14? Fuck that guy.
Look, even if Okung is right, he's wrong. You factor in the long-term value of a college education, these guys are getting paid the equivalent of MILLIONS of dollars for playing college football. Far more than they'd just get paid to play. And yes, Saquon Barkley and Sam Darnold could get paid for more than just a scholarship, but great guys like JoJo and Bierria and MyTevis would be left without a scholarship.
Let's say you are really good at something, like signing. It has a shelf life, your voice will fade very quickly after age 25.
You're in a band now, you play small venues and bars. You break even but you're getting good experience.
A record company asks just you to a deal for millions of dollars but you have to leave the band and join a different one the record company already formed.
Are you signing for free again? Me neither.
Your contract requires you to play 1 more show...do you bail?
No one is saying they should pass on the NFL, just to complete your obligation. That was the deal.
So you would agree with schools cutting scholarships midseason if they aren't performing? millions on the line for schools
If you pay them like employees, that would be fine. -
Yes they are. Just not what you think they should be.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Student athletes aren't under contract like that.TommySQC said:Mosster47 said:
Hi.RealRhino said:I think it's still an open question how this will all play out. I have to question the mindset of anybody that quits on his teammates, though. Do I want that guy on my team? I don't care much about the commitment he made to his coach or his school or whatever, but with my kids it's always been, you join a team, you are with them until the bitter end. You made a commitment to your teammates. You can quit when the season's over, but not before. If a guy is making business decisions in college, is he going to be making "business decisions" in a playoff game when we are down 14? Fuck that guy.
Look, even if Okung is right, he's wrong. You factor in the long-term value of a college education, these guys are getting paid the equivalent of MILLIONS of dollars for playing college football. Far more than they'd just get paid to play. And yes, Saquon Barkley and Sam Darnold could get paid for more than just a scholarship, but great guys like JoJo and Bierria and MyTevis would be left without a scholarship.
Let's say you are really good at something, like signing. It has a shelf life, your voice will fade very quickly after age 25.
You're in a band now, you play small venues and bars. You break even but you're getting good experience.
A record company asks just you to a deal for millions of dollars but you have to leave the band and join a different one the record company already formed.
Are you signing for free again? Me neither.
Your contract requires you to play 1 more show...do you bail?
No one is saying they should pass on the NFL, just to complete your obligation. That was the deal.
So you would agree with schools cutting scholarships midseason if they aren't performing? millions on the line for schools
If you pay them like employees, that would be fine. -
They’re exhibition games. Let the pussies sit and play younger guys for next year. Ty Jones got some run.
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series of one year scholarships. At the end of each year, either party can not renew.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Student athletes aren't under contract like that.TommySQC said:Mosster47 said:
Hi.RealRhino said:I think it's still an open question how this will all play out. I have to question the mindset of anybody that quits on his teammates, though. Do I want that guy on my team? I don't care much about the commitment he made to his coach or his school or whatever, but with my kids it's always been, you join a team, you are with them until the bitter end. You made a commitment to your teammates. You can quit when the season's over, but not before. If a guy is making business decisions in college, is he going to be making "business decisions" in a playoff game when we are down 14? Fuck that guy.
Look, even if Okung is right, he's wrong. You factor in the long-term value of a college education, these guys are getting paid the equivalent of MILLIONS of dollars for playing college football. Far more than they'd just get paid to play. And yes, Saquon Barkley and Sam Darnold could get paid for more than just a scholarship, but great guys like JoJo and Bierria and MyTevis would be left without a scholarship.
Let's say you are really good at something, like signing. It has a shelf life, your voice will fade very quickly after age 25.
You're in a band now, you play small venues and bars. You break even but you're getting good experience.
A record company asks just you to a deal for millions of dollars but you have to leave the band and join a different one the record company already formed.
Are you signing for free again? Me neither.
Your contract requires you to play 1 more show...do you bail?
No one is saying they should pass on the NFL, just to complete your obligation. That was the deal.
So you would agree with schools cutting scholarships midseason if they aren't performing? millions on the line for schools
If you pay them like employees, that would be fine. -
Show me where players are required to play bowl games.TommySQC said:
series of one year scholarships. At the end of each year, either party can not renew.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Student athletes aren't under contract like that.TommySQC said:Mosster47 said:
Hi.RealRhino said:I think it's still an open question how this will all play out. I have to question the mindset of anybody that quits on his teammates, though. Do I want that guy on my team? I don't care much about the commitment he made to his coach or his school or whatever, but with my kids it's always been, you join a team, you are with them until the bitter end. You made a commitment to your teammates. You can quit when the season's over, but not before. If a guy is making business decisions in college, is he going to be making "business decisions" in a playoff game when we are down 14? Fuck that guy.
Look, even if Okung is right, he's wrong. You factor in the long-term value of a college education, these guys are getting paid the equivalent of MILLIONS of dollars for playing college football. Far more than they'd just get paid to play. And yes, Saquon Barkley and Sam Darnold could get paid for more than just a scholarship, but great guys like JoJo and Bierria and MyTevis would be left without a scholarship.
Let's say you are really good at something, like signing. It has a shelf life, your voice will fade very quickly after age 25.
You're in a band now, you play small venues and bars. You break even but you're getting good experience.
A record company asks just you to a deal for millions of dollars but you have to leave the band and join a different one the record company already formed.
Are you signing for free again? Me neither.
Your contract requires you to play 1 more show...do you bail?
No one is saying they should pass on the NFL, just to complete your obligation. That was the deal.
So you would agree with schools cutting scholarships midseason if they aren't performing? millions on the line for schools
If you pay them like employees, that would be fine.
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Are you saying that bowl games are different than the regular season? I couldn't tell you if there was any stipulation that they play ANY game and too lazy to look it up. It was an assumption on my part. You seem to be differentiating between the two, right? Just so I'm clear on your point of view.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Show me where players are required to play bowl games.TommySQC said:
series of one year scholarships. At the end of each year, either party can not renew.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Student athletes aren't under contract like that.TommySQC said:Mosster47 said:
Hi.RealRhino said:I think it's still an open question how this will all play out. I have to question the mindset of anybody that quits on his teammates, though. Do I want that guy on my team? I don't care much about the commitment he made to his coach or his school or whatever, but with my kids it's always been, you join a team, you are with them until the bitter end. You made a commitment to your teammates. You can quit when the season's over, but not before. If a guy is making business decisions in college, is he going to be making "business decisions" in a playoff game when we are down 14? Fuck that guy.
Look, even if Okung is right, he's wrong. You factor in the long-term value of a college education, these guys are getting paid the equivalent of MILLIONS of dollars for playing college football. Far more than they'd just get paid to play. And yes, Saquon Barkley and Sam Darnold could get paid for more than just a scholarship, but great guys like JoJo and Bierria and MyTevis would be left without a scholarship.
Let's say you are really good at something, like signing. It has a shelf life, your voice will fade very quickly after age 25.
You're in a band now, you play small venues and bars. You break even but you're getting good experience.
A record company asks just you to a deal for millions of dollars but you have to leave the band and join a different one the record company already formed.
Are you signing for free again? Me neither.
Your contract requires you to play 1 more show...do you bail?
No one is saying they should pass on the NFL, just to complete your obligation. That was the deal.
So you would agree with schools cutting scholarships midseason if they aren't performing? millions on the line for schools
If you pay them like employees, that would be fine.
Regular season games they must play. Bowl games are optional.
