Oregon Gets Cristoballed
Comments
-
Right Click, Save AsSources said:
-
-
Who are we to argue with the next President of the United States?AZDuck said:The Rock approves
-
-
mike, jesus fucking christ, settle the fuck down, its a goddamn message board for fuck sakes.rodmansrage said:
You care so much it’s fucking embarrassing.MikeSeaver said:rodmansrage said:greenblood said:
This is a reasonable conclusion. Look, Cristoballz could be great. Who knows. Not an inspiring hire, and I think if you look at percentages of failed previous HC's brought up from the assistant ranks the chances are against Oregon, but he could turn out to be great. Small chance, but a chance. Key is Mullens shitcanning this guy quick if results are less than optimal and pulling a big name then. I know I'd be pissed if I were a Duck, but most of eSuck is rejoicing. Then again, most of eSuck are dumb fucking donkeys.RE: Mario Cristobal/Oregon> Just how bleak were things at FIU when he took over? There was no film library. No academic support system. He inherited a woeful APR & the program was going on academic probation, so they couldn’t have full recruiting classes: https://t.co/ISAvVzoLPh
— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) December 8, 2017A few thoughts on Mario Cristobal. 1. Took over, BY FAR, the worst FBS situation I've ever seen (FIU).. led them to a bowl win 4 yrs later; 2. Not sure there is a better recruiter in the country anywhere. 3. His teams will be very physical. MORE: https://t.co/ISAvVzoLPh
— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) December 8, 2017
its crazy that a reporter would white knight for a coach who went to the same school at the same time as him.
what a coincidence!
but, lipo
and as for 'caring,' some jerkoff poasted tweets about how awesome christobal was despite shit shit record at florida what the fuck ever, coincidentally that reporter went to school and is still friends with christobal.
but yeah, i 'care.'
fuck.
Well you certainly nailed the surname in your message board handle.
-
UPDATED Quook Standings:
----------------------------------
@Mosster47 - no longer seems to care.
@oregonblitzkrieg - still cares.
@MikeSeaver - cares more than ever. -
-
I can't go against The Rock. I take it all back. Tier 1 hire.
-
Unfortunately he was not a witness to the whammy, but he does have a 1991 natty ring which must give duck fans conflicting feelingsAZDuck said:The Rock approves
-
Are those divisional standings or league?haie said:UPDATED Quook Standings:
----------------------------------
@Mosster47 - no longer seems to care.
@oregonblitzkrieg - still cares.
@MikeSeaver - cares more than ever.
Either way I’m not happy.
-
-
if you keep reading Canzano you'll go blind
-
Hurts. Race. Real. Bad.RaceBannon said:@RealRhino is my hero. Now you know
-
I ain't buyin' that Wilcox just turned Oregon down flat unless there's bad blood between the Wilcox family and the program that isn't widely known. Oregon is a better job than Cal. Just for starters. And that's his and his family's school. For another. And nobody is going to win for real at Cal pretty much ever. I simply don't remember a very good Cal team this side of 1991, and as Washington fans know too well, that was a while ago.GrundleStiltzkin said: -
Didn’t the Aaron Rodgers team finish in the top 5?creepycoug said:
I ain't buyin' that Wilcox just turned Oregon down flat unless there's bad blood between the Wilcox family and the program that isn't widely known. Oregon is a better job than Cal. Just for starters. And that's his and his family's school. For another. And nobody is going to win for real at Cal pretty much ever. I simply don't remember a very good Cal team this side of 1991, and as Washington fans know too well, that was a while ago.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Which I known many felt was too high. -
I'm not so sure. If you structure his contract favorably you get rid of him if he can't coach. Meanwhile, he won't have left the cupboards bare. I don't have a regression analysis in my back pocket, but as between the two variables ... can the guy coach and can the guy recruit, my sense is known recruiters seldom fail to deliver on that skill, while guys who's coaching worked at one place often screw the pooch at the next gig. Happens all the fucking time.RealRhino said:It's an interesting experiment, anyway, to be a decent P5 school and hire a HC primarily for his recruiting ability. I think it's not a good idea, but it'll be interesting.
So I go back to my own Iron Law: you need a little luck anyway, so you may as well get comfortable having to likely go through a few hires before getting it right again. If that's the case, it makes sense to take a flyer who can recruit if that's an area of relative weakness for your program. If you're at Florida State, Floria, Miami, Texas, LSU, etc., you don't fall all over yourself for the ace recruiter.
Whatever else can be said, I'm not looking around at who else was available and thinking, "wow, you guys really fucked up." There may have been some choices that would make sense to the conventional crowd, but those guys don't accept the Iron Law. And having an up and down time of it at FIU means next to nothing. That's a program that gets kicked off the field when women's field hockey is ready to practice. -
LoneStarDawg said:
Unfortunately he was not a witness to the whammy, but he does have a 1991 natty ring which must give duck fans conflicting feelingsAZDuck said:The Rock approves
Yep. The 2004 team. That's right. So 1991 and 2004. I think winning big or consistently there is far and away the exception to the rule.Doog_de_Jour said:
Didn’t the Aaron Rodgers team finish in the top 5?creepycoug said:
I ain't buyin' that Wilcox just turned Oregon down flat unless there's bad blood between the Wilcox family and the program that isn't widely known. Oregon is a better job than Cal. Just for starters. And that's his and his family's school. For another. And nobody is going to win for real at Cal pretty much ever. I simply don't remember a very good Cal team this side of 1991, and as Washington fans know too well, that was a while ago.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Which I known many felt was too high. -
Or only shit human beings take a job, put together a staff, and then bail after 12 monthscreepycoug said:
I ain't buyin' that Wilcox just turned Oregon down flat unless there's bad blood between the Wilcox family and the program that isn't widely known. Oregon is a better job than Cal. Just for starters. And that's his and his family's school. For another. And nobody is going to win for real at Cal pretty much ever. I simply don't remember a very good Cal team this side of 1991, and as Washington fans know too well, that was a while ago.GrundleStiltzkin said: -
This 100000x. Which is why Wilcox and Brohm weren't realistic options.LoneStarDawg said:
Or only shit human beings take a job, put together a staff, and then bail after 12 monthscreepycoug said:
I ain't buyin' that Wilcox just turned Oregon down flat unless there's bad blood between the Wilcox family and the program that isn't widely known. Oregon is a better job than Cal. Just for starters. And that's his and his family's school. For another. And nobody is going to win for real at Cal pretty much ever. I simply don't remember a very good Cal team this side of 1991, and as Washington fans know too well, that was a while ago.GrundleStiltzkin said: -
what i dont get is this: 'mario got fired unjustly from FIU cause he had beef with the AD'
mario won three fucking games his last year at FIU
bammer let mario walk
this feels a lot like when doogs talked themselves into sark.
irregardless, its a mute point, lipo. -
It’s gilby and the “you really can’t expect to do much better at cal” excuserodmansrage said:what i dont get is this: 'mario got fired unjustly from FIU cause he had beef with the AD'
mario won three fucking games his last year at FIU
bammer let mario walk
this feels a lot like when doogs talked themselves into sark.
irregardless, its a mute point, lipo. -
All you did is kick the Can down the road on a huge gamble to save a recruiting class. You'll be doing this in 2 to 3 years again. But if the fanbase is good with that, then there is really nothing to discuss.ntxduck said:
I was resigned to the depressing plight of the situation once the Taggart to FSU rumors popped up. It is what it is. I'm less depressed than if we made a long term and large financial commitment to Black Sark or Leach, though.Gladstone said:
your conclusions are sound but that doesn't make the situation any less depressingntxduck said:LIPO.
This hire is only a failure if Mullens doesn't have the stones to pull the trigger on firing Cristobal in 2 years if this isn't panning out (which is very possible since Mullens is a huge pussy). In 2 years, there will be way better outside options available (the next Matt Campbell or maybe even actual Matt Campbell once he realizes that Iowa State has a very finite ceiling).
Not thrilled, but there's really no options out there. I prefer giving Cristobal 2 years and seeing what he can do, while pulling in good classes, over giving Leach/Sumlin/Wilcox 4 years and then starting from ground zero in 2022. But once again, this will all come down to how short of a leash Mullens is going to give him and the program.
LIPO.
welp boys we hired a coach with an obvious ceiling to salvage a GOOD recruiting class, hope our AD has the stones to fire him in a few years when there are more tier 1-2-3 candidates out there. -
Again, anyone available this year would have been a huge gamble. We were completely fucked, not so much due to the early signing period, but due to the high turnover at big-time programs last year and this year that took every decent candidate available.salemcoog said:
All you did is kick the Can down the road on a huge gamble to save a recruiting class. You'll be doing this in 2 to 3 years again. But if the fanbase is good with that, then there is really nothing to discuss.ntxduck said:
I was resigned to the depressing plight of the situation once the Taggart to FSU rumors popped up. It is what it is. I'm less depressed than if we made a long term and large financial commitment to Black Sark or Leach, though.Gladstone said:
your conclusions are sound but that doesn't make the situation any less depressingntxduck said:LIPO.
This hire is only a failure if Mullens doesn't have the stones to pull the trigger on firing Cristobal in 2 years if this isn't panning out (which is very possible since Mullens is a huge pussy). In 2 years, there will be way better outside options available (the next Matt Campbell or maybe even actual Matt Campbell once he realizes that Iowa State has a very finite ceiling).
Not thrilled, but there's really no options out there. I prefer giving Cristobal 2 years and seeing what he can do, while pulling in good classes, over giving Leach/Sumlin/Wilcox 4 years and then starting from ground zero in 2022. But once again, this will all come down to how short of a leash Mullens is going to give him and the program.
LIPO.
welp boys we hired a coach with an obvious ceiling to salvage a GOOD recruiting class, hope our AD has the stones to fire him in a few years when there are more tier 1-2-3 candidates out there. -
We’ve been through this. Phil Knight simply didn’t want to pay market price. He chose surrender >>> competition.
-
i think knight is at the point of 'ive dumped a ton of fucking money into this program, at this point, you need to get it done' sort of mode.doogie said:We’ve been through this. Phil Knight simply didn’t want to pay market price. He chose surrender >>> competition.
-
I don't think a guy who just added to his Oregon giving a $500 million science complex to go with the one he already helped build is worried too much about the next $5.00 he puts into football.rodmansrage said:
i think knight is at the point of 'ive dumped a ton of fucking money into this program, at this point, you need to get it done' sort of mode.doogie said:We’ve been through this. Phil Knight simply didn’t want to pay market price. He chose surrender >>> competition.
This is a guy who invented the most prolific sports company on the planet ... he's not writing off his favorite bill board any time soon. Keep dreaming. -
Obviously the fan base is good with this move. Do you see anyone besides me and one or two others not praising this hire? A bunch of fucking retards that have no expectations anymore. Play it safe and let Mullens guide the progam back into permanent mediocrity.salemcoog said:
All you did is kick the Can down the road on a huge gamble to save a recruiting class. You'll be doing this in 2 to 3 years again. But if the fanbase is good with that, then there is really nothing to discuss.ntxduck said:
I was resigned to the depressing plight of the situation once the Taggart to FSU rumors popped up. It is what it is. I'm less depressed than if we made a long term and large financial commitment to Black Sark or Leach, though.Gladstone said:
your conclusions are sound but that doesn't make the situation any less depressingntxduck said:LIPO.
This hire is only a failure if Mullens doesn't have the stones to pull the trigger on firing Cristobal in 2 years if this isn't panning out (which is very possible since Mullens is a huge pussy). In 2 years, there will be way better outside options available (the next Matt Campbell or maybe even actual Matt Campbell once he realizes that Iowa State has a very finite ceiling).
Not thrilled, but there's really no options out there. I prefer giving Cristobal 2 years and seeing what he can do, while pulling in good classes, over giving Leach/Sumlin/Wilcox 4 years and then starting from ground zero in 2022. But once again, this will all come down to how short of a leash Mullens is going to give him and the program.
LIPO.
welp boys we hired a coach with an obvious ceiling to salvage a GOOD recruiting class, hope our AD has the stones to fire him in a few years when there are more tier 1-2-3 candidates out there. -
What I don't get is why you don't get things:rodmansrage said:what i dont get is this: 'mario got fired unjustly from FIU cause he had beef with the AD'
mario won three fucking games his last year at FIU
bammer let mario walk
this feels a lot like when doogs talked themselves into sark.
irregardless, its a mute point, lipo.
1. FIU is a parking lot program. Programs at places like that slide, and slide fast, all the time. To borrow a Leach'ism, they have less room for error. He took them from absolute nothing to something (relative to the program they are). His issues with Pete Garcia go way back. Anyone with a brain was saying at the time that FIU was stupid to let him go. They went 1–11, 4–8 and a 5-7 record after he left. You could send Peterman to FIU right now, force him to coach for five years, and it's entirely possible, if not probable, that he'd turn in a turd season. It's the nature of the thing.
2. "bammer let mario walk" What does this mean? Programs lose good coaches all the time. What was Saban going to do? I've not heard one person say or write anything suggesting that Alabama was less than thrilled to have him on the staff. He's a bright young coach and he left Alabama for an opportunity. You keep trying to play on something here, but you don't put a lot of meat on the bone boy.
3. It could well be. If I'm Oregon, I absolutely by in to the recruiting angle. Then you cross your fingers and hope he can put together a staff and coach. But you're going nowhere at Oregon without a recruiter. I'm still not at a point where I'm saying, "wow, you passed on _________ to hire this guy?" There is one poaster arguing Norvell. That's it. Nobody is pimping anyone else. So, it makes you wonder, what's the point of the reaction? There was no Chris Peterman out there. -
Yeah, well we have our own problems to worry about Kewg bra.salemcoog said:
All you did is kick the Can down the road on a huge gamble to save a recruiting class. You'll be doing this in 2 to 3 years again. But if the fanbase is good with that, then there is really nothing to discuss.ntxduck said:
I was resigned to the depressing plight of the situation once the Taggart to FSU rumors popped up. It is what it is. I'm less depressed than if we made a long term and large financial commitment to Black Sark or Leach, though.Gladstone said:
your conclusions are sound but that doesn't make the situation any less depressingntxduck said:LIPO.
This hire is only a failure if Mullens doesn't have the stones to pull the trigger on firing Cristobal in 2 years if this isn't panning out (which is very possible since Mullens is a huge pussy). In 2 years, there will be way better outside options available (the next Matt Campbell or maybe even actual Matt Campbell once he realizes that Iowa State has a very finite ceiling).
Not thrilled, but there's really no options out there. I prefer giving Cristobal 2 years and seeing what he can do, while pulling in good classes, over giving Leach/Sumlin/Wilcox 4 years and then starting from ground zero in 2022. But once again, this will all come down to how short of a leash Mullens is going to give him and the program.
LIPO.
welp boys we hired a coach with an obvious ceiling to salvage a GOOD recruiting class, hope our AD has the stones to fire him in a few years when there are more tier 1-2-3 candidates out there. -
Yeah, there's no evidence of that. You're actually better in the Tug, where you're the paid monkey.doogie said:We’ve been through this. Phil Knight simply didn’t want to pay market price. He chose surrender >>> competition.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IUhw1fumsPU
