Creepy's Thoughts on Crystal

A couple things, since we all know Creepy is a closet Quook:

1. Creepy thinks every coaching hire is, at best, more or less an informed roll of the dice. The statistical evidence for this is in. Creepy will admit one fairly embarrassing anecdote to make the point: Creepy recalls in his younger years being pretty vocally opposed to Miami hiring the mere Jimmy Johnson ('who is this guy?'), coach of one of the non-teams in a two-team conference, to replace a championship coach. The first year, 1984, and its epic defensive meltdowns did little to assuage Creepy's ire at the hire.

2. I don't fault Oregon's thought process here: the program's number one weakness is that it's in the PNW, a place relatively lacking (and sometimes devoid of) D1 talent. Gotta get someone who can recroot at the right places or it's all moot anyway. And why wouldn't you want to mitigate the damage to the class? Seems rational to me. If he works out as a coach, great; if he doesn't, do it again. Look at Washington. You keep trying until you get it right. There's upside here. This leads me to point 3.

3. Were the options that compelling? Please, do tell. I'm all ears. Is there some guy out there who isn't weird and ugly who can "flat out coach" that I'm forgetting? Sumlin would have been an interesting hire. Also a great recruiter, and HC in the SEC with some success. That might have made sense too. Color me "eh" on Harsin. I just don't think lightning is striking twice on a successful Boise State guy. Oregon is in the Pac 12 and needs someone who can recruit for playing in this conference. Is that Harsin? Is he that good a technical coach? He hasn't done there was Peterman did, so spare me that comparison.

4. What's the upside in the "stability guy from the area?" That he won't leave? Who cares? If he's successful and leaves, it means he was successful. If not, you have to fire him. See point #1. Looking for an 18-year Don James marriage is fs. That just happens when it happens. Completely convinced of that; too many people who made too much sense on paper burned up too many times.

5. HC experience? Well, Crystal has it from coaching in cfb hell. Or just call it the coordinator promotion. Doesn't really matter. A lot of people around the game thought FIU was fs for firing him. The word on Mario, aside from being strikingly handsome, is that he's very bright. We shall see.

6. Finally, and most importantly, HE'S A CANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You guys can spin this as "Oregon isn't that important", but the truth is, Washington lucked into Peterman who is just weird enough to want to be up here in the PNW and not leave. Most other coaches would have left Washington for Florida State too. Hey, you guys know that feels anyway, right? There is one program (maybe) in this conference that can go in and perhaps get an established guy in an established situation to leave and come coach them, and Washington isn't that program either.

Mario may work out.

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haie

Norvell.

The Autzen Peapatch is going to be top dollar though.

CuntWaffle

Why didn’t they just hire Mario before Taggart then?

FireCohen

sometimes being lucky is better than being good lol. I pray to saint haden everyday for not hiring pete and taking sark away from uw and giving us pete

creepycoug

Why didn’t they just hire Mario before Taggart then?

Taggart is even more handsome.

creepycoug

Why didn’t they just hire Mario before Taggart then?

And, Taggart had been a coach at USF. That's a lot closer to coaching in the Pac 12 than FIU. And we both know that these ADs get sucked in to the "who's hot" crap like a teenage girl, and Taggart was a relatively sought-after coach at the time.

My [semi-serious] poont is, who ever really knows about this. I have heard good things about Cristobal for a long time, but that means next to nothing. I just always try and remember with these things how lucky the Trojans got with Pete ... how, despite themselves, he fell into their laps. He was an also-ran failure in the NFL, which of course is more significant than anything Cristobal has to offer, but at the same time NFL coaches flail and fail in the college game all the time.

My theory, as stupid as it sounds, is that I have no theory. If there is anything good about the guy, you cross your fingers and hope, and that's about all you can ever do. What convinced me of that more than anything wasn't so much that the random guy comes in and is successful, but rather, that superstar coach who left to go somewhere else who couldn't bring the magic. That's why I like Meyer so much. He's one of the few who has been able to do it consistently.

I know Race used to subscribe to the Jim Tressel theory, formerly known as the Don James theory: super successful head coach at a mid-major or worse program who steps up to the big time with big time resources. I used to buy that one too, until I didn't.

creepycoug

Norvell.

The Autzen Peapatch is going to be top dollar though.

Maybe. But I've heard nothing about him as a recruiter, which I think is crucial at Oregon and which the Ducks are doubling down for ... not just this class but overall. You could hear it from Mullens n that presser that the local area blah blah blah would be nice but they want that recruiter, and I don't blame them because to me that's the name of the game. Leave the whole "stability, wants to be here" bs for fs Canzano and Washington fans who are smugging it up because they tripped into a coach who's done moving around. I think Mullens is smart af to not be reactive and knee-jerk into someone like Wilcox because "he's an Oregon guy and will be here for life ... " That's just so fs and so hokie dokie anyway. Who cares? Harbaugh is a Michigan guy and wants to be there for life too. (btw, I'll admit I thought he was going to kill it there too. See my prior post on rolling the dice).

Ask yourself, would you, or would the Ducks, trade the Kelly era for a less successful but more "stable" guy who stuck around? Of course not. You take the winning while it's there and if the guy leaves you move on and hire someone else.

I don't know what Autzen Peapatch means.

dflea

No. They didn't have another good option.

That's the fucking point, Perry Mason. That makes me happy.

Now stop pissing in my fucking Cheerios with all these reasons why he might not suck. He does until he doesn't.

creepycoug

No. They didn't have another good option.

That's the fucking point, Perry Mason. That makes me happy.

Now stop pissing in my fucking Cheerios with all these reasons why he might not suck. He does until he doesn't.

Thanks for the pretend lawyer shout out. I feel the love.

RaceBannon

Creepy is rational and could be write but flea is right. Fuck that. It's a mistake until it isnt

creepycoug

Creepy is rational and could be write but flea is right. Fuck that. It's a mistake until it isnt

Either way, it won't be chintresting, until it is.

rodmansrage

Why didn’t they just hire Mario before Taggart then?
And, Taggart had been a coach at USF. That's a lot closer to coaching in the Pac 12 than FIU. And we both know that these ADs get sucked in to the "who's hot" crap like a teenage girl, and Taggart was a relatively sought-after coach at the time.

My [semi-serious] poont is, who ever really knows about this. I have heard good things about Cristobal for a long time, but that means next to nothing. I just always try and remember with these things how lucky the Trojans got with Pete ... how, despite themselves, he fell into their laps. He was an also-ran failure in the NFL, which of course is more significant than anything Cristobal has to offer, but at the same time NFL coaches flail and fail in the college game all the time.

My theory, as stupid as it sounds, is that I have no theory. If there is anything good about the guy, you cross your fingers and hope, and that's about all you can ever do. What convinced me of that more than anything wasn't so much that the random guy comes in and is successful, but rather, that superstar coach who left to go somewhere else who couldn't bring the magic. That's why I like Meyer so much. He's one of the few who has been able to do it consistently.

I know Race used to subscribe to the Jim Tressel theory, formerly known as the Don James theory: super successful head coach at a mid-major or worse program who steps up to the big time with big time resources. I used to buy that one too, until I didn't.

lmao, this is just, just amazing, A+ effort (effort?) on that comment.

im literally creating fake accounts to chincredible this more.

'willie sat further to the front than mario on the short bus.'

haie

Norvell.

The Autzen Peapatch is going to be top dollar though.
Maybe. But I've heard nothing about him as a recruiter, which I think is crucial at Oregon and which the Ducks are doubling down for ... not just this class but overall. You could hear it from Mullens n that presser that the local area blah blah blah would be nice but they want that recruiter, and I don't blame them because to me that's the name of the game. Leave the whole "stability, wants to be here" bs for fs Canzano and Washington fans who are smugging it up because they tripped into a coach who's done moving around. I think Mullens is smart af to not be reactive and knee-jerk into someone like Wilcox because "he's an Oregon guy and will be here for life ... " That's just so fs and so hokie dokie anyway. Who cares? Harbaugh is a Michigan guy and wants to be there for life too. (btw, I'll admit I thought he was going to kill it there too. See my prior post on rolling the dice).

Ask yourself, would you, or would the Ducks, trade the Kelly era for a less successful but more "stable" guy who stuck around? Of course not. You take the winning while it's there and if the guy leaves you move on and hire someone else.

I don't know what Autzen Peapatch means.

If I really cared about winning I’d take a chance on Norvell.

He was the reason ASU got to the conf championship. He could beat much more talented teams with Memphis. Went toe to toe with a superior team in the championship. A real offensive mind; not the sark kind. With even an average d coordinator Oregon could be a really dangerous team.

Oregon is not doing anything without stellar coaching, even with a good recruiting class.

creepycoug

Norvell.

The Autzen Peapatch is going to be top dollar though.
Maybe. But I've heard nothing about him as a recruiter, which I think is crucial at Oregon and which the Ducks are doubling down for ... not just this class but overall. You could hear it from Mullens n that presser that the local area blah blah blah would be nice but they want that recruiter, and I don't blame them because to me that's the name of the game. Leave the whole "stability, wants to be here" bs for fs Canzano and Washington fans who are smugging it up because they tripped into a coach who's done moving around. I think Mullens is smart af to not be reactive and knee-jerk into someone like Wilcox because "he's an Oregon guy and will be here for life ... " That's just so fs and so hokie dokie anyway. Who cares? Harbaugh is a Michigan guy and wants to be there for life too. (btw, I'll admit I thought he was going to kill it there too. See my prior post on rolling the dice).

Ask yourself, would you, or would the Ducks, trade the Kelly era for a less successful but more "stable" guy who stuck around? Of course not. You take the winning while it's there and if the guy leaves you move on and hire someone else.

I don't know what Autzen Peapatch means.

If I really cared about winning I’d take a chance on Norvell.

He was the reason ASU got to the conf championship. He could beat much more talented teams with Memphis. Went toe to toe with a superior team in the championship. A real offensive mind; not the sark kind. With even an average d coordinator Oregon could be a really dangerous team.

Oregon is not doing anything without stellar coaching, even with a good recruiting class.

Nobody really ever does. I'm not in a position to dispute Norvell. We'll see what happens. I'm sure the Ducks could have pulled him in; all I can say is that if they guy doesn't have a record as a recruiter then I don't really blame them for rolling the dice on a guy who does.

Also, you're not at all saying that Oregon doesn't really care about winning are you? You know as well as anyone that they're committed to the fb program.

IPukeOregonGrellow

Norvell.

The Autzen Peapatch is going to be top dollar though.

Norvell wasn't coming 48 hours after inking an extension in Memphis.

dnc

Norvell.

The Autzen Peapatch is going to be top dollar though.
Norvell wasn't coming 48 hours after inking an extension in Memphis.

If that's really true then that's more damning about Oregon than anything I could have imagined.

rodmansrage

Nobody really ever does. I'm not in a position to dispute Norvell. We'll see what happens. I'm sure the Ducks could have pulled him in; all I can say is that if they guy doesn't have a record as a recruiter then I don't really blame them for rolling the dice on a guy who does.

Also, you're not at all saying that Oregon doesn't really care about winning are you? You know as well as anyone that they're committed to the fb program.

just when i think you have made the poty you go an one up yourself!

a++++++++++ would read again!

creepycoug

Norvell.

The Autzen Peapatch is going to be top dollar though.
Norvell wasn't coming 48 hours after inking an extension in Memphis.
If that's really true then that's more damning about Oregon than anything I could have imagined.

Agreed; not the narrative I would go with.

haie

Norvell.

The Autzen Peapatch is going to be top dollar though.
Maybe. But I've heard nothing about him as a recruiter, which I think is crucial at Oregon and which the Ducks are doubling down for ... not just this class but overall. You could hear it from Mullens n that presser that the local area blah blah blah would be nice but they want that recruiter, and I don't blame them because to me that's the name of the game. Leave the whole "stability, wants to be here" bs for fs Canzano and Washington fans who are smugging it up because they tripped into a coach who's done moving around. I think Mullens is smart af to not be reactive and knee-jerk into someone like Wilcox because "he's an Oregon guy and will be here for life ... " That's just so fs and so hokie dokie anyway. Who cares? Harbaugh is a Michigan guy and wants to be there for life too. (btw, I'll admit I thought he was going to kill it there too. See my prior post on rolling the dice).

Ask yourself, would you, or would the Ducks, trade the Kelly era for a less successful but more "stable" guy who stuck around? Of course not. You take the winning while it's there and if the guy leaves you move on and hire someone else.

I don't know what Autzen Peapatch means.

If I really cared about winning I’d take a chance on Norvell.

He was the reason ASU got to the conf championship. He could beat much more talented teams with Memphis. Went toe to toe with a superior team in the championship. A real offensive mind; not the sark kind. With even an average d coordinator Oregon could be a really dangerous team.

Oregon is not doing anything without stellar coaching, even with a good recruiting class.
Nobody really ever does. I'm not in a position to dispute Norvell. We'll see what happens. I'm sure the Ducks could have pulled him in; all I can say is that if they guy doesn't have a record as a recruiter then I don't really blame them for rolling the dice on a guy who does.

Also, you're not at all saying that Oregon doesn't really care about winning are you? You know as well as anyone that they're committed to the fb program.

My perception is they care about being respectable and not going into a UW type vortex of embarrassment.

But controlling the conference? With this hire?

IPukeOregonGrellow

Norvell.

The Autzen Peapatch is going to be top dollar though.
Norvell wasn't coming 48 hours after inking an extension in Memphis.
If that's really true then that's more damning about Oregon than anything I could have imagined.

Yeah, I'm a meth head, porking lot attending Duck who doesn't believe in red flags, and that's a red flag for me.

LawDawg1

A couple things, since we all know Creepy is a closet Quook:

If he's successful and leaves, it means he was successful. If not, you have to fire him

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So Taggart was successful?