Carr: OK, Fake Indian, time to either give up the claim or prove it

2001400ex said:

Swaye said:

2001400ex said:

Swaye said:

AZDuck said:

PurpleThrobber said:

I stand with the Natives.



listal.com/list/hot-women-native-american-descent

I read your list (how could I not)?

Here's da ting. Warren is guilty of the same thing as all these "women of native descent" are guilty of, save two: Carrie Underwood is a member of da tribe (meets the @Swaye "got your card" test) and another woman lists 1/4, so I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt.

Lots of people have the ol' family legend about some native miscegenation back in the day.

I have a great grandfather Scottish duck who was a missionary in British Columbia around 1900, and went native and married one of the local Blackfeet ducks. Allegedly I'm either 1/8 or 1/16 Blackfeet duck. Either way, not good enough for casino money, because they were Canadian ducks ("First Fowls").

But the handful of times I've been to Jokelahoma (Hi @Fire_Marshall_Bill !), it seems everyone there claimed a chunk of Choctaw or Cherokee. Probably mostly bullshit, but part of family lore.

If she ever used it to get ahead, that would be one thing, but apparently people dug into it and she didn't. Harvard did, when they used her alleged Indian-ness to pump up their minority numbers.

Anyway, the geneological dude said this:

Genealogist Chris Child of the New England Historic Society looked into Warren’s background and found a document stating that she has a great-great-great-grandmother who is Native American, which would make her 1/32 Cherokee

BUT

Child told NPR that it would take more research to confirm that finding. Later, the New England Historic Genealogical Society has backtracked on Child’s finding, according to the Atlantic, saying there is "no proof that Elizabeth Warren's great-great-great-grandmother O.C. Sarah Smith either is or is not of Cherokee descent.”

So anyway, it's feasible that there's some sort of family legend in her family (as in so many others) about having some Native admixture. My family has one, probably a bit more solid than the Warrens. I've never used mine for anything, because I have no connection with my alleged First Fowl past.

What Warren's deal is, I dunno. As an aside, frankly, if she needed to use some dubious Indian heritage to get into Harvard, I'm not sure how blameworthy that really is, in a world that thinks that legacy admissions are OK.



She won't disavow her early 90's fraud. Genealogical societies cannot find any proof that links her to Injuns. She's a fraud, though I get what you are saying about lore and legends. All kinds of families say this shit, which is why there are Indian rolls, and tribal ID cards. If you don't have that, you aren't injun. If you think you are, prove it and join the tribe. She did neither, ever, because she can't.

Warren is a bit of an academic grifter. She’s willing to fake her way to the top. When she came to Harvard Law School, she was — believe it or not — considered by some to be a “minority hire.” She listed herself as a minority on a legal directory reviewed by deans and hiring committees. The University of Pennsylvania “listed her as a minority faculty member,” and she was touted after her hire at Harvard Law School as, yes, the school’s “first woman of color.”

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454121/elizabeth-warren-native-american-heritage-harvard-fraud

So I get it, perhaps Harvard pushed the narrative, but if I got hired somewhere and then they published something saying I was black, perhaps I would dispute that. She used it, even if just via non-admission. And, if she hadn't marker herself as Native, how the fuck would Harvard have ever even known to put her down as a red? She's a fucking fraud.

But what do I know, I still hate Jane Fonda.

What tribe are you an enrollment member of?

Cherokee. Grandmother was full blood Cherokee squaw living on the res in Oklahomo in 1940. Got trained to be a nurse on a "put the Injuns to work war effort" program during WWII. Grandpa got busted up and convalesced under her expert care. Got married later. I've been over this numerous times. Please pay attention.

I wasn't asking to be a dick. I have never seen this story before. I do some work for the Eastern Band of Cherokee and have bid on work at the Cherokee nation in Oklahoma.

Reality is, for us white folks, if your family has been in America for 4 generations or longer, it's pretty much guaranteed there is native or African in your family.

That being said, Elizabeth Warren still sucks. I really don't know why we even argue that on here.

2001400ex said:

Swaye said:

2001400ex said:

Swaye said:

AZDuck said:

PurpleThrobber said:

I stand with the Natives.



listal.com/list/hot-women-native-american-descent

I read your list (how could I not)?

Here's da ting. Warren is guilty of the same thing as all these "women of native descent" are guilty of, save two: Carrie Underwood is a member of da tribe (meets the @Swaye "got your card" test) and another woman lists 1/4, so I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt.

Lots of people have the ol' family legend about some native miscegenation back in the day.

I have a great grandfather Scottish duck who was a missionary in British Columbia around 1900, and went native and married one of the local Blackfeet ducks. Allegedly I'm either 1/8 or 1/16 Blackfeet duck. Either way, not good enough for casino money, because they were Canadian ducks ("First Fowls").

But the handful of times I've been to Jokelahoma (Hi @Fire_Marshall_Bill !), it seems everyone there claimed a chunk of Choctaw or Cherokee. Probably mostly bullshit, but part of family lore.

If she ever used it to get ahead, that would be one thing, but apparently people dug into it and she didn't. Harvard did, when they used her alleged Indian-ness to pump up their minority numbers.

Anyway, the geneological dude said this:

Genealogist Chris Child of the New England Historic Society looked into Warren’s background and found a document stating that she has a great-great-great-grandmother who is Native American, which would make her 1/32 Cherokee

BUT

Child told NPR that it would take more research to confirm that finding. Later, the New England Historic Genealogical Society has backtracked on Child’s finding, according to the Atlantic, saying there is "no proof that Elizabeth Warren's great-great-great-grandmother O.C. Sarah Smith either is or is not of Cherokee descent.”

So anyway, it's feasible that there's some sort of family legend in her family (as in so many others) about having some Native admixture. My family has one, probably a bit more solid than the Warrens. I've never used mine for anything, because I have no connection with my alleged First Fowl past.

What Warren's deal is, I dunno. As an aside, frankly, if she needed to use some dubious Indian heritage to get into Harvard, I'm not sure how blameworthy that really is, in a world that thinks that legacy admissions are OK.



She won't disavow her early 90's fraud. Genealogical societies cannot find any proof that links her to Injuns. She's a fraud, though I get what you are saying about lore and legends. All kinds of families say this shit, which is why there are Indian rolls, and tribal ID cards. If you don't have that, you aren't injun. If you think you are, prove it and join the tribe. She did neither, ever, because she can't.

Warren is a bit of an academic grifter. She’s willing to fake her way to the top. When she came to Harvard Law School, she was — believe it or not — considered by some to be a “minority hire.” She listed herself as a minority on a legal directory reviewed by deans and hiring committees. The University of Pennsylvania “listed her as a minority faculty member,” and she was touted after her hire at Harvard Law School as, yes, the school’s “first woman of color.”

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454121/elizabeth-warren-native-american-heritage-harvard-fraud

So I get it, perhaps Harvard pushed the narrative, but if I got hired somewhere and then they published something saying I was black, perhaps I would dispute that. She used it, even if just via non-admission. And, if she hadn't marker herself as Native, how the fuck would Harvard have ever even known to put her down as a red? She's a fucking fraud.

But what do I know, I still hate Jane Fonda.

What tribe are you an enrollment member of?

Cherokee. Grandmother was full blood Cherokee squaw living on the res in Oklahomo in 1940. Got trained to be a nurse on a "put the Injuns to work war effort" program during WWII. Grandpa got busted up and convalesced under her expert care. Got married later. I've been over this numerous times. Please pay attention.

I wasn't asking to be a dick. I have never seen this story before. I do some work for the Eastern Band of Cherokee and have bid on work at the Cherokee nation in Oklahoma.

Reality is, for us white folks, if your family has been in America for 4 generations or longer, it's pretty much guaranteed there is native or African in your family.

That being said, Elizabeth Warren still sucks. I really don't know why we even argue that on here.

creepycoug said:

Back in the day I used to head up to Tahola and fuck the living shit out of this little Quinault number. So, to be clear, it was always on the Rez proper and she was 100% card carrying Quinault.

Am I in @Swaye ?