"We've only been an elite program again for 1 year"
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I like this list:
https://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/ranking-the-greatest-college-football-programs-of-all-time.html/?a=viewall
I'd take the top 8 as serious Elite schools, but I could see the argument for including Miami and FSU, I just discounted them because their HUGE amount of success is relatively recent (going back to WWI). To me, 10-25 are second tier, and even though they only went to 15, 16-25 would include schools like UW, Oregon, Clemson, Tennessee, Wisconsin, etc. -
Tax free bonds >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fan supportAEB said:We’ve always been an elite program. You can’t build the stadium after a decade of irrelevance and Owen12 without being elite. Petersen is now translating that back onto the field. I have to believe Petersen came to UW knowing that if a shit program could build that stadium, everyone would get out of his way and allow him to build a team to match.
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Agree, and IMO, "elite" is the most abused term in college football. Christ.WeakarmCobra said:
Having Peterman at the throne makes us a good program. It takes consistent winning to be considered an elite.DerekJohnson said:@NEsnake12 said those words in another thread. (Obligatory: Apparently NESnake1-11 were already taken)
But that was the thing that was surreal for me watching Saturday's game. The Colorado game was the first UW game I had watched from start-to-finish all year. And the intensity that Colorado and their fans had to play us seemed weird to me. I read somewhere that the Buffs had focused their entire off-season on us and I was like okay, whatever. But to see them come out so fired up, it almost didn't register. And then UW completely destroyed them on their own field. It was a prison rape type of performance.
One of the TV announcers said "an elite program like Washington..." And I thought, "we've only been elite for one year. Does that make us an OFFICIAL elite program?"
It's going to take a while longer for me to get used to that.
The last elite PAC program was USC under Carroll. Elite is rarified air. Elite is expected to win every game regardless of opponent or venue. Alabama is elite this year, and really no one else. I really like what Petersen is doing at UW and am cautiously optimistic that he might get them there, he certainly has them on the right track, they're very good but they're not there yet. -
By those standards fucking POS Texas A&M is elite because they got a nice stadiumAEB said:We’ve always been an elite program. You can’t build the stadium after a decade of irrelevance and Owen12 without being elite. Petersen is now translating that back onto the field. I have to believe Petersen came to UW knowing that if a shit program could build that stadium, everyone would get out of his way and allow him to build a team to match.
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Agree. We're definitely Tier 2, say, somewhere between 15 and 20 ish. 1984 really fucked us- i.e., having 1.5 natties since 1980 would really boost the resume. Hell, we'd be tied with USC over the same timeframe (sorry 1979 USC...ha, ha)Swaye said:I like this list:
https://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/ranking-the-greatest-college-football-programs-of-all-time.html/?a=viewall
I'd take the top 8 as serious Elite schools, but I could see the argument for including Miami and FSU, I just discounted them because their HUGE amount of success is relatively recent (going back to WWI). To me, 10-25 are second tier, and even though they only went to 15, 16-25 would include schools like UW, Oregon, Clemson, Tennessee, Wisconsin, etc. -
Swaye said:
Love you, but disagree. We have never been elite. We have been close...80's-mid 90's...few years in the 60's...we are a clear second tier school...nothing wrong with that. Elite is Oklahoma, Ohio State, USC, Bama etc. Blue bloods are elite. Programs like Miami (helluva run over roughly the same time period as ours, and they did way more and still aren't truly elite), Clemson, Oregon (past 20 years), UW, Georgia, UWisc, Tennessee, etc. are second tier schools. Good some of the time, and for long strethces, with maybe a NC or two or a "almost" type year and some big bowl wins. That's second tier.AEB said:We’ve always been an elite program. You can’t build the stadium after a decade of irrelevance and Owen12 without being elite. Petersen is now translating that back onto the field. I have to believe Petersen came to UW knowing that if a shit program could build that stadium, everyone would get out of his way and allow him to build a team to match.
Elite to me is basically winning NC's across multiple decades for the last 50-60 years. Just a handful of programs like that out there.
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DerekJohnson said:
Gil Dobie and I shared a hearty laugh over your post in the media room.Swaye said:
Love you, but disagree. We have never been elite. We have been close...80's-mid 90's...few years in the 60's...we are a clear second tier school...nothing wrong with that. Elite is Oklahoma, Ohio State, USC, Bama etc. Blue bloods are elite. Programs like Miami (helluva run over roughly the same time period as ours, and they did way more and still aren't truly elite), Clemson, Oregon (past 20 years), UW, Georgia, UWisc, Tennessee, etc. are second tier schools. Good some of the time, and for long strethces, with maybe a NC or two or a "almost" type year and some big bowl wins. That's second tier.AEB said:We’ve always been an elite program. You can’t build the stadium after a decade of irrelevance and Owen12 without being elite. Petersen is now translating that back onto the field. I have to believe Petersen came to UW knowing that if a shit program could build that stadium, everyone would get out of his way and allow him to build a team to match.
Elite to me is basically winning NC's across multiple decades for the last 50-60 years. Just a handful of programs like that out there.
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Meh, that's not really an indicator. At one time, when only a few teams were given bowl bids, that mattered, but today, most of those games are consolation prizes.AZDuck said:Win a NY6 bowel game and pop off
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UW is the same level program as Clemson, LSU and Florida.
We are below the first tier, but we are in the second tier. That's how we got Pete.
If we had ACTUALLY fallen into the third tier (with teams like Ole Miss and Oklahoma State), there's no way we'd have gotten Pete.
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Elite programs win natties.AEB said:We’ve always been an elite program. You can’t build the stadium after a decade of irrelevance and Owen12 without being elite. Petersen is now translating that back onto the field. I have to believe Petersen came to UW knowing that if a shit program could build that stadium, everyone would get out of his way and allow him to build a team to match.
