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Michael Yon's post on North Korea and the geopolitical game being played - War now seems imminent

DerekJohnson
DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,532 Founders Club
edited September 2017 in Tug Tavern
NORK: Just after the latest detonation, I asked a well-connected friend what he and his contacts think.

He is connected very high in the USG. One day, he took me up to Condoleeza Rice's office but she was not around. I always liked her and would have been good to say hello. She should have ran for President.

His response:

Sorry for the late response. I thought it was a posting and I saved it for reading. I didn't see it was a question just to me.

Anyway, my contacts at DoD and DoS say different things, mostly tracking their mission, but agree, in different words, on one thing:

The test is a red line and the bet by Russia, China, and DPRK is that the US will not cross it.

It is becoming increasingly apparent that the DPRK is the sock puppet of an international conspiracy headed by Russia and China to destabilize the Pacific and the adjacent east and southeast Asian landmass.

To not cross the red line and PUNISH the DPRK is to throw Seoul under the bus, which is exactly the same as throwing Japan and the wider southeast Asian nations, plus Australia, Indonesia, the Philippines, and in the long run, India under the bus. American credibility is being severely tested, which is precisely the goal of China and Russia. The DPRK is the low risk/high reward stooge in this massive geopolitical power play, but given their resources and dependence on the kindness of "strangers", they have no choice in this game of brinkmanship.

Generally, both the DoD and DoS agree that war is the only long term solution to this issue. It is an international crisis perpetrated by wanna-be global powers to bring down the US's influence in the Pacific and diminish the US maritime reach (military, trade, influence, and defense).

Put the foreign policy of the Obama and Clinton administrations into the equation, you will see why Russia and China are playing this game. They may actually have US nuclear codes (they've no doubt changed by now, but merely knowing old ones says a lot about the new ones). Obama did publicly release the exact, precise, number of nuclear weapons, from which any idiot could accurately extrapolate the various platforms, throws, and targets. In other words, our national nuclear arsenal has been compromised for eight years.

Given Obama's radical draw down of the defense budget and the wear and tear on our existing equipment in the Middle East (don't doubt Iran is in on this deal with Russia and China), the US is clearly in a compromised offensive posture.

But, to allow DPRK to get away with this provocation means we lose the Pacific and China will see this as a green light to run amok and seize whatever they want and intimidate the rest.

Generally, my contacts see war or capitulation.
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  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    I've always appreciated Yon's writing and analysis. Lately though he's seemed alarmist. Hopefully that's the case here.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    edited September 2017

    I've always appreciated Yon's writing and analysis. Lately though he's seemed alarmist. Hopefully that's the case here.

    It's pretty clear that China and Russia are still allies. It's also pretty clear that China does nothing substantively to curtail DPRK's aggression. It is a line in the sand and one which we may just HAVE to cross to save face with the other super powers of the world as well as retain our allies confidence in the US and it's ability to still have some juice in this world. We've been weak the last 9 years and it's not far fetched to see the other powers testing us in this situation.
  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam
    Trump should grow a fucking pair and deal with that sawed off little cunt in N Korea since Obama was too big a pussy to do anything during his tenure.

    If Trump pusses out, too, I'll be surprised. If he lights that little fucker up, I'll have to take back some of the shit I've been talking about him.

  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    dflea said:

    Trump should grow a fucking pair and deal with that sawed off little cunt in N Korea since Obama was too big a pussy to do anything during his tenure.

    If Trump pusses out, too, I'll be surprised. If he lights that little fucker up, I'll have to take back some of the shit I've been talking about him.

    Millions of dead South Koreans would help Trump IMO.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,113 Founders Club
    Give peace a dance
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    No choice but to defend the dollar
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    Russia and China will do nothing militarily against the US if the US decides to preemptively strike the fat boy. Too much for them to lose in retaliatory strikes. The window of opportunity is ours to take him out.
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Still don't understand why Koopdawg doesn't just sneak in there and brake that little fucker in half
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    BearsWiin said:

    Jesus fucking Christ, that is a horrendously stupid conglomeration of words. My guess is that his contacts at DoD and DoS are the fucking janitors.

    Oh look at Jethro iambic pentametering his Shakespeare. You got a good edumarcation for sure!
  • priapism
    priapism Member Posts: 2,306
  • BearsWiin
    BearsWiin Member Posts: 5,072

    BearsWiin said:

    Jesus fucking Christ, that is a horrendously stupid conglomeration of words. My guess is that his contacts at DoD and DoS are the fucking janitors.

    Oh look at Jethro iambic pentametering his Shakespeare. You got a good edumarcation for sure!
    To be an FSO, you go through a rigorous series of examinations. Those exams weed out such simplistic bullshit thinking. Nobody at DoS thinks that way. They'd never get through the vetting process.

    DoD has more conspiracy bullshit people in it, but that's because they're too busy being the tip of the spear to bother to learn how to joust.

    "War or capitulation," fucking Christ. Waste of time reading this tripe.
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    Russia and China will do nothing militarily against the US if the US decides to preemptively strike the fat boy. Too much for them to lose in retaliatory strikes. The window of opportunity is ours to take him out.

    Getting millions of our ally's civilians killed to maybe take him out seems bad.
  • BearsWiin
    BearsWiin Member Posts: 5,072

    Russia and China will do nothing militarily against the US if the US decides to preemptively strike the fat boy. Too much for them to lose in retaliatory strikes. The window of opportunity is ours to take him out.

    Getting millions of our ally's civilians killed to maybe take him out seems bad.
    Time to buy that Samsung UHDTV while you still can, Vizio sucks
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288

    Russia and China will do nothing militarily against the US if the US decides to preemptively strike the fat boy. Too much for them to lose in retaliatory strikes. The window of opportunity is ours to take him out.

    Getting millions of our ally's civilians killed to maybe take him out seems bad.
    Getting millions of our ally's civilians killed to maybe take out Adolph Hitler seemed bad too.
  • UWhuskytskeet
    UWhuskytskeet Member Posts: 7,113

    Russia and China will do nothing militarily against the US if the US decides to preemptively strike the fat boy. Too much for them to lose in retaliatory strikes. The window of opportunity is ours to take him out.

    Getting millions of our ally's civilians killed to maybe take him out seems bad.
    Getting millions of our ally's civilians killed to maybe take out Adolph Hitler seemed bad too.
    Before or after he invaded Poland?
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    The North would be in their own vacuum if China would put the lid on them. That's the only peaceful solution I see. Moar toothless SANCTIONS!!!! won't help.

    That or @coupdawg to lead the way.
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288

    Russia and China will do nothing militarily against the US if the US decides to preemptively strike the fat boy. Too much for them to lose in retaliatory strikes. The window of opportunity is ours to take him out.

    Getting millions of our ally's civilians killed to maybe take him out seems bad.
    Getting millions of our ally's civilians killed to maybe take out Adolph Hitler seemed bad too.
    Before or after he invaded Poland?
    Neville Chamberlain POTD.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,319 Founders Club

    Russia and China will do nothing militarily against the US if the US decides to preemptively strike the fat boy. Too much for them to lose in retaliatory strikes. The window of opportunity is ours to take him out.

    Getting millions of our ally's civilians killed to maybe take him out seems bad.
    Getting millions of our ally's civilians killed to maybe take out Adolph Hitler seemed bad too.
    Before or after he invaded Poland?
    Neville Chamberlain POTD.
    CHRIST. Everything is Munich 1938 Most Overused Historical Analogy of All Time POTD.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,319 Founders Club
    To not cross the red line and PUNISH the DPRK is to throw Seoul under the bus, which is exactly the same as throwing Japan and the wider southeast Asian nations, plus Australia, Indonesia, the Philippines, and in the long run, India under the bus. American credibility is being severely tested, which is precisely the goal of China and Russia. The DPRK is the low risk/high reward stooge in this massive geopolitical power play, but given their resources and dependence on the kindness of "strangers", they have no choice in this game of brinkmanship.

    What a FS observation here... So how do we PUNISH the Norks exactly so as not to throw Seoul under the bus? There is no preemptive military solution here with an acceptable level of civilian casualties that eliminates the N Korean w/ the bomb problem.

  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    We should just continue to let N-Kim refine and build a nuclear arsenal until it's fair. This way, nobody will ever get killed.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,319 Founders Club
    doogie said:

    We should just continue to let N-Kim refine and build a nuclear arsenal until it's fair. This way, nobody will ever get killed.

    People forget the last time we let an Asian, lunatic Dictator get the bomb and keep it, and we didn't do a god damned thing about it.

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  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    I can't keep up with boorswiins acronyms and metaphors.
  • NeGgaPlEaSe
    NeGgaPlEaSe Member Posts: 5,764
    edited September 2017

    dflea said:

    Trump should grow a fucking pair and deal with that sawed off little cunt in N Korea since Obama was too big a pussy to do anything during his tenure.

    If Trump pusses out, too, I'll be surprised. If he lights that little fucker up, I'll have to take back some of the shit I've been talking about him.

    Millions of dead South Koreans home land Americans would help Trump IMO.
    Boobs stay the fuck away from me in a fight, Jesus. You remind me of the punk who talks a lot of shit in a bar and wonders why someone just punched you in the face 3 times before you even put your hands up

    It's called Collateral damage. And I highly doubt if US strikes with full force , non nuclear, he would have the chance to do anything other than wipe the shit from his ass. MOAB is nothing compared to what we have for him.
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    dflea said:

    Trump should grow a fucking pair and deal with that sawed off little cunt in N Korea since Obama was too big a pussy to do anything during his tenure.

    If Trump pusses out, too, I'll be surprised. If he lights that little fucker up, I'll have to take back some of the shit I've been talking about him.

    Millions of dead South Koreans home land Americans would help Trump IMO.
    Boobs stay the fuck away from me in a fight, Jesus. You remind me of the punk who talks a lot of shit in a bar and wonders why someone just punched you in the face 3 times before you even put your hands up

    It's called Collateral damage. And I highly doubt if US strikes with full force , non nuclear, he would have the chance to do anything other than wipe the shit from his ass. MOAB is nothing compared to what we have for him.
    So you're telling me the US can take out NK's entire artillery without them getting shots off into Seoul?
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Russia and China will do nothing militarily against the US if the US decides to preemptively strike the fat boy. Too much for them to lose in retaliatory strikes. The window of opportunity is ours to take him out.

    Getting millions of our ally's civilians killed to maybe take him out seems bad.
    Getting millions of our ally's civilians killed to maybe take out Adolph Hitler seemed bad too.
    Da fuq? Crack a book.