Why you should care that a Neo Nazi website got shut down
I hate Nazis as much as the next fucktard. But this America. Free speech is free speech. It's a dangerous, slippery slope when internet companies like Google, GoDaddy, Paypal, YouTube and others are allowed to silence the speech of those they disagree with, by denying service. Paypal has indicated it won't accept the business of those whose political views they disagree with. A hotel booking company denied booking services to those who went to Charlottesville to attend that rally. You can try to make the argument that they can do whatever they want, they're a corporation or whatever. Shit doesn't fly when we're talking about the purveyors of information.
Free speech needs to be protected online as much as it's protected in real life. Google and its pet dog Youtube silence free speech by removing content they deem 'offensive.' They also deny advertising dollars to sites that don't fit neatly into their political world view. Facebook removed German users who dared to criticize Merkel's insane immigration (moslem invasion) policy. But who are 'they' and what right do they have to decide what's offensive and what isn't? What happens when they decide your views are offensive and they come to silence you. It's not an if, it's a when, if this kind of behavior from internet companies is allowed to continue.
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They are a for profit business. No way around that. As long as they bake cakes for gay couples they should be ok
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Agree. Youtube has been defunding people simply for not being all in on left leaning politics. So one political party gets to dictate how we think and what we learn. Yikes.
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Your free market argument only goes so far. We aren't talking about Amazon or Ebay here. We are talking about who controls the flow of information and who decides what is offensive and what isn't, we're talking about free speech and denying access to other points of view.RaceBannon said:They are a for profit business. No way around that. As long as they bake cakes for gay couples they should be ok
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I just wanted to get the bakery shot in. The rationale being that you can't discriminate even in a private business.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Your free market argument only goes so far. We aren't talking about Amazon or Ebay here. We are talking about who controls the flow of information and who decides what is offensive and what isn't by denying access to other points of view.RaceBannon said:They are a for profit business. No way around that. As long as they bake cakes for gay couples they should be ok
I wonder if google would be held to the same standard since they are on the "right" side. You could probably come up with some interstate commerce clause to not allow them to discriminate.
I'm not comfortable with the state telling them what to do but they are acting like the state.
Which sounds like something a statist would say
The other answer is let the white power folks get their own hotel booking site but I suspect google and the others wouldn't stop there
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You need look no further than Canada to see the end result of this kind of totalitarianism. It's still in its infancy here and needs to be aborted before it escapes the womb. You can be fined there for telling the wrong kind of joke, and jailed if you can't pay. They have 'tribunals' that basically decide what is offensive and what isn't, what kind of speech is allowed and what kind of speech will be silenced. Fight the system there and you will pay the price and even have your career/livelihood stripped away from you.
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Dialed in.RaceBannon said:
I just wanted to get the bakery shot in. The rationale being that you can't discriminate even in a private business.oregonblitzkrieg said:
Your free market argument only goes so far. We aren't talking about Amazon or Ebay here. We are talking about who controls the flow of information and who decides what is offensive and what isn't by denying access to other points of view.RaceBannon said:They are a for profit business. No way around that. As long as they bake cakes for gay couples they should be ok
I wonder if google would be held to the same standard since they are on the "right" side. You could probably come up with some interstate commerce clause to not allow them to discriminate.
I'm not comfortable with the state telling them what to do but they are acting like the state.
Which sounds like something a statist would say
The other answer is let the white power folks get their own hotel booking site but I suspect google and the others wouldn't stop there
These folks live in fear of bad social media -
Agree that corporations like Google shouldn't have that level of control over what information we view. But it starts with net neutrality.
Google has a lot of control over the flow of information on the internet but at least there are easily accessible alternatives to it. Kill net neutrality and it'll open a door for ISP's to have free reign to regulate what content you get... but the difference is some of whom have virtual monopolies on internet service in some areas of the country. OBK you talk about slippery slopes... that's a massive one.
Trump's FCC chair has made it abundantly clear he's anti-net neutrality, and they're moving toward killing it. It's a blatant move against free speech on the internet. For all of you who hate the mainstream media... you'll hate it more when they can afford to pay Comcast more $$ for faster speeds while smaller alternative news sources get screwed because they can't afford to compete on that level.
And fuck off to anyone who is pro-open internet and isn't worried about this... there's a reason why ISP's are spending ridiculous amounts of money lobbying for this. -
YBFENEsnake12 said:Agree that corporations like Google shouldn't have that level of control over what information we view. But it starts with net neutrality.
Google has a lot of control over the flow of information on the internet but at least there are easily accessible alternatives to it. Kill net neutrality and it'll open a door for ISP's to have free reign to regulate what content you get... but the difference is some of whom have virtual monopolies on internet service in some areas of the country. OBK you talk about slippery slopes... that's a massive one.
Trump's FCC chair has made it abundantly clear he's anti-net neutrality, and they're moving toward killing it. It's a blatant move against free speech on the internet. For all of you who hate the mainstream media... you'll hate it more when they can afford to pay Comcast more $$ for faster speeds while smaller alternative news sources get screwed because they can't afford to compete on that level.
And fuck off to anyone who is pro-open internet and isn't worried about this... there's a reason why ISP's are spending ridiculous amounts of money lobbying for this.
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No state institution involved so no First Amendment issue, no aggrieved status, no protected class. Looking at any case involving denial of service to Nazis, a court would rule on rational basis and find for the company, if they deigned to take the case at all. NeoNazis want to get The Word out, they can stand on fucking streetcorners and hand out flyers like the Original Gangsta Brownshirts did.
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I've been trying to understand this net nutrality shit. Good post thanksNEsnake12 said:Agree that corporations like Google shouldn't have that level of control over what information we view. But it starts with net neutrality.
Google has a lot of control over the flow of information on the internet but at least there are easily accessible alternatives to it. Kill net neutrality and it'll open a door for ISP's to have free reign to regulate what content you get... but the difference is some of whom have virtual monopolies on internet service in some areas of the country. OBK you talk about slippery slopes... that's a massive one.
Trump's FCC chair has made it abundantly clear he's anti-net neutrality, and they're moving toward killing it. It's a blatant move against free speech on the internet. For all of you who hate the mainstream media... you'll hate it more when they can afford to pay Comcast more $$ for faster speeds while smaller alternative news sources get screwed because they can't afford to compete on that level.
And fuck off to anyone who is pro-open internet and isn't worried about this... there's a reason why ISP's are spending ridiculous amounts of money lobbying for this.
