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"It takes time" vs facts
chrisvashon
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It takes time. We keep hearing it over and over. It's the last refuge of doog scoundrels. So I did a little experiment and looked at the top-25 teams (AP). Then I looked at the tenure of the head coaches. Take a look:
1. Alabama. Saban. 7th.
2. Florida State. FIscher. 3rd.
3. Baylor (9-0). Briles. 6th.
4. Ohio State (10-0). 2nd. (weird circumstances, not super on-point)
5. Oregon (9-1). Helfrich. 1st
6. Auburn (10-1), Malzahn. 1st
7. Clemson (9-1). Swinney. 5.5
8. Missouri (9-1). 181st.
9. Texas A&M (8-2). 3rd.
10. Stanford (8-2). 3rd
11. Oklahoma State (9-1). Gundy. 9th.
12. South Carolina (8-2). Spurrier. 9th.
13. Michigan State (9-1). Dantonio. 7th.
14. UCLA (8-2). Mora. 2nd.
15. Fresno State (9-0). DeRuyter. 2nd
16. Wisconsin (8-2). Anderson. 1st
17. UCF (8-1). O'leary. 10th.
18. LSU (7-3). Miles. 9th.
19. Arizona State (8-2). Graham. 2nd
20. Northern Illinois (10-0). Carey. 2nd
21. Louisville (9-1). Strong. 4th
22. Oklahoma (8-2). Stoops. 15th.
23. USC (8-3). Orgeron. 1st
24. Ole Miss (7-3). Freeze. 2nd
25. Duke (8-2). Cutcliffe. 6th.
14 are in their 4th year or less. More than half of the top-25 is having success with newly tenured coaches! And that includes football powerhouses like Louisville and Ole Miss and NIU.
But UW could never pull off such a feat. Sark deserves year 6.
1. Alabama. Saban. 7th.
2. Florida State. FIscher. 3rd.
3. Baylor (9-0). Briles. 6th.
4. Ohio State (10-0). 2nd. (weird circumstances, not super on-point)
5. Oregon (9-1). Helfrich. 1st
6. Auburn (10-1), Malzahn. 1st
7. Clemson (9-1). Swinney. 5.5
8. Missouri (9-1). 181st.
9. Texas A&M (8-2). 3rd.
10. Stanford (8-2). 3rd
11. Oklahoma State (9-1). Gundy. 9th.
12. South Carolina (8-2). Spurrier. 9th.
13. Michigan State (9-1). Dantonio. 7th.
14. UCLA (8-2). Mora. 2nd.
15. Fresno State (9-0). DeRuyter. 2nd
16. Wisconsin (8-2). Anderson. 1st
17. UCF (8-1). O'leary. 10th.
18. LSU (7-3). Miles. 9th.
19. Arizona State (8-2). Graham. 2nd
20. Northern Illinois (10-0). Carey. 2nd
21. Louisville (9-1). Strong. 4th
22. Oklahoma (8-2). Stoops. 15th.
23. USC (8-3). Orgeron. 1st
24. Ole Miss (7-3). Freeze. 2nd
25. Duke (8-2). Cutcliffe. 6th.
14 are in their 4th year or less. More than half of the top-25 is having success with newly tenured coaches! And that includes football powerhouses like Louisville and Ole Miss and NIU.
But UW could never pull off such a feat. Sark deserves year 6.
Comments
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Did you read the JS's letter from Young's lackey?
You have no idea the depths of this program when Sark got here. NONE of those guys had to deal with that -
We are well and truly fucked.
It's over, and has been for a decade. The 1%er HHBs of the world are basically like those Japanese soldiers they would find in caves 15 years after WWII ended, still thinking the war was going on and that they were doing something that mattered. I think the only reason I keep this up is inertia, because deep down I know the war was lost over a decade ago, yet I sit in my cave hoping somehow things will change when I come out, and we will have won. It's fucking over. We might as well just cut off our balls, get some skinny jeans, and go buy Sounders season tickets.
Anyone have a gallon of kerosene and a flamethrower? -
We should have fired Sark last year and hired Gary Anderson.
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Great work. Choices:
1. Mora
2. DeRuyter
3. Orgeron
4. Graham
5. Dantonio
6. Craig Bohl -
Get the fuck off of this site already.death2ducks said:Great work. Choices:
1. Mora
2. DeRuyter
3. Orgeron
4. Graham
5. Dantonio -
We'll see. If Haden doesn't hire him, somebody else in the Pac-12 will. If for no other reason, his recruiting contacts.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Get the fuck off of this site already.death2ducks said:Great work. Choices:
1. Mora
2. DeRuyter
3. Orgeron
4. Graham
5. Dantonio
I see the Kim rules apply here also? If you don't suck up to the bored opinion, you get personal attacks?
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Not at all. At HH, where real discourse is valued, you can tell Sven to shove it up his ass, and absolutely nothing will happen to you other than a Citrus bomb and some down votes. No time outs. No tersely and misspelling filled notes from Kim, no nacho crumb spewing tirades from Fatters. Nothing. So yeah, you get personal attacks, but we all do, so quit being a sniveling fucking faggot and grow a pair.death2ducks said:
We'll see. If Haden doesn't hire him, somebody else in the Pac-12 will. If for no other reason, his recruiting contacts.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Get the fuck off of this site already.death2ducks said:Great work. Choices:
1. Mora
2. DeRuyter
3. Orgeron
4. Graham
5. Dantonio
I see the Kim rules apply here also? If you don't suck up to the bored opinion, you get personal attacks? -
GTFO millcreekcoogdeath2ducks said:
We'll see. If Haden doesn't hire him, somebody else in the Pac-12 will. If for no other reason, his recruiting contacts.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Get the fuck off of this site already.death2ducks said:Great work. Choices:
1. Mora
2. DeRuyter
3. Orgeron
4. Graham
5. Dantonio
I see the Kim rules apply here also? If you don't suck up to the bored opinion, you get personal attacks?
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death2ducks said:
We'll see. If Haden doesn't hire him, somebody else in the Pac-12 will. If for no other reason, his recruiting contacts.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Get the fuck off of this site already.death2ducks said:Great work.
Choices:
1. Mora
2. DeRuyter
3. Orgeron
4. Graham
5. Dantonio
I see the Kim rules apply here also? If you don't suck up to the bored opinion, you get personal attacks?
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Everyone gets personal attacks here.death2ducks said:
We'll see. If Haden doesn't hire him, somebody else in the Pac-12 will. If for no other reason, his recruiting contacts.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Get the fuck off of this site already.death2ducks said:Great work. Choices:
1. Mora
2. DeRuyter
3. Orgeron
4. Graham
5. Dantonio
I see the Kim rules apply here also? If you don't suck up to the bored opinion, you get personal attacks?
If you can't handle it, LEAVE! -
where did you guys find Hugh's missing nerd machine?
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Good stat and even misleading towards the "it takes time crowd" as it includes guys like Saban who turned Bama around in only year two.
If you have a great coach then you damn well make sure he never leaves. If he is an average coach which is what we have then he needs to go. -
Question: Are all General threads also listed on the Hardcore Bored? It's a bit confusing.
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Great point.He_Needs_More_Time said:Good stat and even misleading towards the "it takes time crowd" as it includes guys like Saban who turned Bama around in only year two.
If you have a great coach then you damn well make sure he never leaves. If he is an average coach which is what we have then he needs to go.
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Ahem. We all know that it takes more than time to build a football program, a lot more. Any coach who claims otherwise with a "just needed more time" excuse isn't worth another paycheck. In Sark we have a head football coach who doesn't care about time in the sense of how many seasons it might take him to build a championship caliber program. I think this is obvious because:
1) Sark wasted three years by hiring a defensive coaching staff who couldn't or wouldn't build a Pac-12 caliber defense. Overall, Sark started his football program at UW in a non-time sensitive mode by hiring too many assistants not capable of coaching football outside the Palouse, WAC, or Big Sky.
2) Sark wasted what appears to be a significant part of the four seasons spent in developing his Husky offense by changing it before season five to a Kellyish no-huddle, hurry-up fucking mess, thus dumbing down his program to one of the most penalized and painful(at least for me) in division IA collegiate football.
3) Sark's recruiting methods are squirrelish and focused on signing beach-boy athletes to scholarships who are too small to play with the big boys on the line-of-scrimmage and not fast or quick enough to play WR or DB. Wasted football scholarships = wasted time.
There are probably other signs which indicate that Sark is a lazy coach sheparding a lackadaisical Husky Football program along at a moderate pace that at least for the time being should not be expected to hurry to the top of the Pac-12. But the uneven recruiting along with changes in staff and offensive scheme where Sark's guru powers are suppose to be strongest,...... are the most obvious indications that our young head coach has the slows. God knows why, but the pressure can't be on him to get better.
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"Yeah but none of these teams were 0-12"
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Cutcliffe shows that it takes 6 years to win 8+ games at FUCKING DUKE (there's an outside chance they win 10 this season).
Doogs are pretty happy if Sark wins just 8 in Year 5 at FUCKING WASHINGTON
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Art Briles took over a Baylor team that went 0-8 in conference in 2007. They were 6-18 in conference the previous 3 years before that 0-8 team.... They were BAYLOR. A perennial college football doormat, much like Duke. It took Briles 6 years to get them where they are today at #3 in the country...
Duke and Baylor are schools where it takes 6 years to win 10 games. It doesn't take 6 fucking years to win 10 games at UW. -
I don't know whether to laugh or cry anymore with numbers and evidence that is increasing by the day and more convincing to anyone who isn't a doog or involved in the AD or upper campus. Thanks for ruining my Saturdays in the fall for the last decade. If you can put a winner in place to coach the soccer, volleyball, cross country, and softball teams, then why in the fuck do you neglect the golden goose of them all?
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Excellent assemblage of statistics. However, none of these programs experienced the "damage that Ty did". So by doog logic, these facts are irrelevant.
Which happens to be the #1 problem with doogs...facts are simply irrelevant to them. -
Takes 5 years.
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We knew all we needed to know about Sark after three years. These last two years were just a waste of time and money.puppylove_sugarsteel said:Takes 5 years.
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Your stupidity amazes me it really does.puppylove_sugarsteel said:Takes 5 years.
No it doesn't take five fucking years and even then Sark is failing at that.
Almost every great coach established himself by year three at his current school.
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