TSiO Episode #32: Texas, Tequila, and Regional Recruiting Data...
Comments
-
In terms of the pod itself, yeah, the pre-emptive hating on Coker schtick is played out. If he is rambling and has gone no where you can call it out. The joke has reached 24 times however. You don't have to change the the dynamic without being repetitive. I think everyone (even Teq) actually brings something to the table. RC isn't the one to undermine though.
There was something that struck me as a logical inconsistency in the pod... of course it took 3 fucking hours over two days to listen to this so maybe this isn't quite right but basically point 1 was we need to pull 1-2 upper tier guys out of the region every year to close the talent gap and point 2 was we can't wait 10 years to build in-roads elsewhere because at that point we'll have already been successful enough that we will just have the cred to recruit top players.
So which is it- will we get there without recruiting out of the region or not?
If we do have to reach out of the region to pull kids where is it going to be?
Near east has no talent
Middle east is tied to the big ten
Far east doesn't know there is a Washington that isn't the capital of this country.
Deep south sure as hell isn't coming here.
Texas is aware we exists but just doesn't think anything (positive) of us.
And now we've circled back around into the region which is the only place we have a real draw.
Like we'd really be just as good off running recruitment messages on Pac-12 Shandong.
There is no magic bullet here but a stance has to be taken - can we do it all in region or not. It almost sounded like someone wanted to say that with the right coaches we could scratch out a living in region but over the course of the marathon pod I don't remember that happening.
Also yeah, for all of us busy/adhd/married fucks more shorter pods is way better. Like I can't tell you whether two 1.5 hour pods is better than one 3 hour pod in your life, but in my life more shorter pods are better. When you do the conference review I'd rather 11 one hour rants about the other teams than 1 eleven hour manifesto. Like I'll still listen but I'll hate you and me the more for it.
In terms of haikus I really think Teq may have hit 17 syllables but I'm not sure. I went into this looking for a reason to give it to DDY but at the end it simply came down to @CokeGreaterThanPepsi had the best haiku -
Thanks Tequila.Mad_Son said:In terms of the pod itself, yeah, the pre-emptive hating on Coker schtick is played out. If he is rambling and has gone no where you can call it out. The joke has reached 24 times however. You don't have to change the the dynamic without being repetitive. I think everyone (even Teq) actually brings something to the table. RC isn't the one to undermine though.
There was something that struck me as a logical inconsistency in the pod... of course it took 3 fucking hours over two days to listen to this so maybe this isn't quite right but basically point 1 was we need to pull 1-2 upper tier guys out of the region every year to close the talent gap and point 2 was we can't wait 10 years to build in-roads elsewhere because at that point we'll have already been successful enough that we will just have the cred to recruit top players.
So which is it- will we get there without recruiting out of the region or not?
If we do have to reach out of the region to pull kids where is it going to be?
Near east has no talent
Middle east is tied to the big ten
Far east doesn't know there is a Washington that isn't the capital of this country.
Deep south sure as hell isn't coming here.
Texas is aware we exists but just doesn't think anything (positive) of us.
And now we've circled back around into the region which is the only place we have a real draw.
Like we'd really be just as good off running recruitment messages on Pac-12 Shandong.
There is no magic bullet here but a stance has to be taken - can we do it all in region or not. It almost sounded like someone wanted to say that with the right coaches we could scratch out a living in region but over the course of the marathon pod I don't remember that happening.
Also yeah, for all of us busy/adhd/married fucks more shorter pods is way better. Like I can't tell you whether two 1.5 hour pods is better than one 3 hour pod in your life, but in my life more shorter pods are better. When you do the conference review I'd rather 11 one hour rants about the other teams than 1 eleven hour manifesto. Like I'll still listen but I'll hate you and me the more for it.
In terms of haikus I really think Teq may have hit 17 syllables but I'm not sure. I went into this looking for a reason to give it to DDY but at the end it simply came down to @CokeGreaterThanPepsi had the best haiku -
Agree on the Coker point. Once Teq and DDY are fucked up he is the only one that makes salient points so please stop cutting him off.
-
@Mad_Son
Does there have to be a conclusion drawn or consensus reached?
You are right in that themes throughout the pod was needing a few extra good players and likely needing to slightly expand our recruiting base. I fall into the line of thought that we need to expand and our ultimate long term success under Pete likely requires us to break norms. Pepsi and Dennis are skeptical that we will successfully do so. But the key in my mind is having that discussion and placing it on the table to get people thinking about it with historical facts supporting positions. It's likely a topic that will reoccur in pods over time as I expect our recruiting effort will be tied into this.
But to me, that's what makes the pod great is that you can have differing opinions that have logical reasons behind their stance. It's why over time we've been critical of Pease, Strausser, and now Malloe ... we look at the evidence and draw our conclusions.
Very fair point about the length of the pod ... we definitely don't walk into a pod thinking 3 hours. What I hope comes through in pods of that length is the passion that each of us have in discussing these topics as to varying degrees these are underlying issues for the program that will get us consistently into that elite range. There's no question listening back to the last hour that Dennis and I make it more challenging to find out points and conclusions ... apologies for that. They definitely are there but there's a lot more noise surrounding them than needed.
As for Pepsi, wasn't this board founded on the principal of the same joke being funny 81x in a row? To me, he's the Monty from Major League of the pod ... not the best color man in baseball for nothing. But you are right in that there are things that Pepsi sees that only he sees because that's who he is ...
Anyway, thanks for listening and the feedback -
You may have made the point (reaching out of region) and remained consistent however I think DDY agreed with that point then changed tune. Certainly I don't expect different people to always agree on every point.Tequilla said:@Mad_Son
Does there have to be a conclusion drawn or consensus reached?
You are right in that themes throughout the pod was needing a few extra good players and likely needing to slightly expand our recruiting base. I fall into the line of thought that we need to expand and our ultimate long term success under Pete likely requires us to break norms. Pepsi and Dennis are skeptical that we will successfully do so. But the key in my mind is having that discussion and placing it on the table to get people thinking about it with historical facts supporting positions. It's likely a topic that will reoccur in pods over time as I expect our recruiting effort will be tied into this.
But to me, that's what makes the pod great is that you can have differing opinions that have logical reasons behind their stance. It's why over time we've been critical of Pease, Strausser, and now Malloe ... we look at the evidence and draw our conclusions.
Very fair point about the length of the pod ... we definitely don't walk into a pod thinking 3 hours. What I hope comes through in pods of that length is the passion that each of us have in discussing these topics as to varying degrees these are underlying issues for the program that will get us consistently into that elite range. There's no question listening back to the last hour that Dennis and I make it more challenging to find out points and conclusions ... apologies for that. They definitely are there but there's a lot more noise surrounding them than needed.
As for Pepsi, wasn't this board founded on the principal of the same joke being funny 81x in a row? To me, he's the Monty from Major League of the pod ... not the best color man in baseball for nothing. But you are right in that there are things that Pepsi sees that only he sees because that's who he is ...
Anyway, thanks for listening and the feedback
In like Sark year two I remember doogs on dmc who loved our attempts to recruit nationally. DDY and I valiantly tried to explain the difficulty and costs of doing so and how it was a terrible idea (which of course proved true).
We're at a different point now though where we only need a couple guys and if we can get a foothold in a new territory that may be the sweet spot for incremental effort and having access to enough quality. I think our best bet is probably Texas due to recruit availability and culture (far from a perfect match but much closer than east coast for example). If we start winning championships then I think we could do stuff in the NE too where loyalties are weaker and our prestige can speak for itself. -
It's also worth noting that anther reason expanding to an additional region may work now (I'm not taking a stance yet but I'm open to it) is we are in a much better position and don't have to just sell snake oil as well as we're taking care of our bases first and this is a supplement, not the main course.
-
I wonder to what extent Peterman is expanding the pool to make sure he has enough OKGs/good program fits to pick fromMad_Son said:It's also worth noting that anther reason expanding to an additional region may work now (I'm not taking a stance yet but I'm open to it) is we are in a much better position and don't have to just sell snake oil as well as we're taking care of our bases first and this is a supplement, not the main course.
I mean, there's no question the talent should always be there in the west but maybe with a principled recruiting approach you need a bigger prospect pool and recruiting territory than the average top-tier program -
Taking this a bit further, maybe we need to consider an additional coefficient for "OKG-ness" in the expected value recruiting calculations that @Tequilla @CokeGreaterThanPepsi @Dennis_DeYoung talk aboutDoubleJDawg said:
I wonder to what extent Peterman is expanding the pool to make sure he has enough OKGs/good program fits to pick fromMad_Son said:It's also worth noting that anther reason expanding to an additional region may work now (I'm not taking a stance yet but I'm open to it) is we are in a much better position and don't have to just sell snake oil as well as we're taking care of our bases first and this is a supplement, not the main course.
I mean, there's no question the talent should always be there in the west but maybe with a principled recruiting approach you need a bigger prospect pool and recruiting territory than the average top-tier program
This could swing the expected value pretty significantly away from non-OKG 3-star WA guys and more toward 3/4 star OKGs in TX and afield if OKG-ness is a major success factor
However I have been drinking this evening so what do I know -
-
I'd kill myself if I went to that.WeakarmCobra said:
I'll likely be around in bushes tomorrow outside the stadium trying to get a glimpse of players as they report tomorrow. -
Geographically this is where being in southeast Alaska kicks us in the balls. The Pod starts off by showing us the need to expand the recruiting base and the logical choice is Texas, but then statistically shows how next to impossible it is for us to pull elite kids anywhere but the west coast.
I think there is enough talent on the West Coast for us to compete on the National Level if we take care of our shit, and that starts with throwing the purple fence up around the state (you can laugh and call that a doog statement, but it was mandatory under DJ and that was when we could walk into the state of Oregon and Northern California and take anyone we wanted, plus pull a couple of war daddies from Hawaii)
USC can't take them all, and if 20% of those are coming from outside the region all the better. Stanford's at 41% so ditto. UCLA can get them, but they will always be a BB school, so their ability to hire and retain a top level cfb is neutralized.
Bottom line: If we have the right man in charge (and Coach Pete is that man), UW is the 2nd best program on the west coast. 30 years ago, today and 30 years from now, top high school kids want two things: Win Games and Play in the NFL. There is no doubt Pete will do that.
Another season or two like last year, and the 3-4 difference makers we missed on last year (Fozzy/AVT/IPM/Marlon), get in the boat, and those 12-16 kids over a four year cycle(which is upwards of another class at 16) let you line up against the Bama's, Ohio State's, Clemson's, Oklahoma's of the world and not have 75% (or more) of the key plays go your way in order to win which is what we needed to happen versus Bama game in the Peach Bowl.
Thanks for the POD guys. It's informative and entertaining. Can't wait for the preview of the Pac-12 North/South.
-
Preach to the choir. I've been saying this from day one.
We've got a winner in Pete.
Yeah, sure, he's still figuring out his correct personnel. Has to let go of the strausser types.
But success will follow success.
Those guys who still see Oregon as a Nike destination school or Stanford as some "intellectual brutality" thing ... Let them.
Eventually guys like Smalls and the rest will seriously consider UW year in and out because of the sustained success and will identify with Washington since early high school.
We'll get our majority share of those guys plus cherry pick the national guys like Oregon used to pick National guys based on the Chip Kelly years.
That's really only a few years away.
So enjoy it while it builds is what I say. -
For the love of god DDY if I ever heard a voice suited for writing, it was yours. Teq u are marginally more listenable. Pepsi u da man.
-
I had a lot of yard work planned for yesterday so I banged out the pod. Teq, it's 89ute, not ute89. Numbers on the end is just wrong.
Why listen someone blurted out? Many reasons but what's on my mind now is DATA, DATA, DATA and more DATA. Want more DATA. I knew CA, TX & FL produced the most recruits but the breakdown state by state is fascinating, I'm glad it got posted. @Dennis_DeYoung you posted, and said in the pod "We're going to have to get a site to host data". What the fuck? Post it in your recruiting bored. What am I not understanding?
The data on 4*s leaving a region is the kind of stuff I value in your podcast. For example, I remember the % of kids leaving the southeast is only 8%, other regions 20-30ish and the west coast being the highest at something like 34ish? This is fascinating shit! Then the breakdown of who in the Pac-12 gets 4*s from other regions. This information is gold. I'd like to see it posted. I don't want to wade through that fucking monster to retrieve that info, but I do want to stare at it and think about it. This is where my question comes from about needing a site for data. Whatever the fuck that is, get it. I wan't to see it.
Malloe. You know, until I started hanging out here, I never knew the motherfucker coached at Utah State. That should tell you something. He has no presence in Utah. NEVER have I heard a local Poly kid mention him. I've never heard Malloe mentioned anywhere. Local sports radio, newspaper, local news ... nothing.
This is probably the reason why:
Just for the hell of it, I searched "Malloe" on the Utah Rivals site, thinking for sure at least one kid over the years said something like "I really like Coach Malloe at Utah State" or something like that, but here's what I got:
UteNation.com
No results found.
So Malloe knew Jay Tufele since he was 13 years old and couldn't get a visit. Newsflash, every Poly has known every Poly since birth. Every other Poly coach out there knew Jay when he was a baby. This really isn't an exaggeration.
I came across this article back in 2015.
http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/wsu-cougar-football/wsu-assistant-coach-joe-salavea-has-samoan-recruiting-pipeline-going-strong-3/The Cougars have 15 Polynesian players on their roster, and are one of only three Pac-12 teams that have managed to recruit and retain players directly from American Samoa.
Joe Salave'a is now at Oregon, do any of you know if WSU still has this pipeline? Is Joe doing well recruiting Polys at Oregon? Did WSU ever pull in any meaningful recruits, or recruits who turned out to be anything? I don't know, but I don't think so, because I haven't heard anything further about this.
So, in a @Tequilla way, my poont is, forget the Poly thing. It will take a generation to establish. Better ROI establishing a pipeline into Texas.
Another case in point, I don't even think Ngata hangs out or pimps Oregon since he left. But I can tell you one thing, on just about any given day, you can find him at the Utah football complex.
I am looking forward to the upcoming Pac-12 podcast. I wan't minutiae, data. detail. This fucker better be 6 hours, or two pods, 3 hours each, north and south.
If it helps your advertisers, I listened to this podcast from Podbay.
Thank you, signed
Your 15th listener. -
Please accept my apologies @89ute ... it was the Buffalo Trace that made the mistake ... not me ... I swear ... I swear ... IT WASN'T MY FAULT!!!
-
I'd love your opinion @89ute as to why USC is being successful getting that inroad into the Poly world ...
But your overall point, this idea that UW is going to go into Utah and be successful? Not going to happen. The only chance we have is with the random kid like Ty Jones that for whatever reason is stuck living in the greater SLC area (and in Jones' case Provo) and can't wait to find a way to get the hell out of there. -
Also with Ty Jones, hard to pick Utah with shit QBs and shit offense. There was a TE who left Salt Lake a couple of years ago to go to Stanford. He's there now and getting PT. Another case of a top notch offensive player staying the hell away from Utah. But interestingly, I think kids are liking what Troy Taylor is selling. We've pulled in a couple of nice offensive recruits since he's come aboard. I thought It was Jack Tuttle, who has been actively recruiting for us, and i'm sure that's part of it but that doesn't explain Carrington.Tequilla said:I'd love your opinion @89ute as to why USC is being successful getting that inroad into the Poly world ...
But your overall point, this idea that UW is going to go into Utah and be successful? Not going to happen. The only chance we have is with the random kid like Ty Jones that for whatever reason is stuck living in the greater SLC area (and in Jones' case Provo) and can't wait to find a way to get the hell out of there.
As far as Polys to SC, I think its just SC being SC and nothing more. As far a Tufele, I was shocked we lost him and it was a hard kick in the nuts as far as recruiting profile, but we later learned Jay's dad got himself a nice little job with SC. I don't think they're building any kind of pipeline, but it's still concerning.
-
Shocking ... shady recruiting by SC???
-
Marlons brother... Tufele's dad? So USC is going to "out recruit" schools by loading up payroll with relatives? Yea that seems like a really sustainable approach. Nansen the Ponzi scheme buttfuck.
-
Tequilla said:
I'd love your opinion @89ute as to why USC is being successful getting that inroad into the Poly world ...
But your overall point, this idea that UW is going to go into Utah and be successful? Not going to happen. The only chance we have is with the random kid like Ty Jones that for whatever reason is stuck living in the greater SLC area (and in Jones' case Provo) and can't wait to find a way to get the hell out of there.
Ahem -
Keep an OC for more than a single year (+ dont suck) and you'll start seeing an uptick. The amount of OCs Whittingham has burned through is insanity.89ute said:
Also with Ty Jones, hard to pick Utah with shit QBs and shit offense. There was a TE who left Salt Lake a couple of years ago to go to Stanford. He's there now and getting PT. Another case of a top notch offensive player staying the hell away from Utah. But interestingly, I think kids are liking what Troy Taylor is selling. We've pulled in a couple of nice offensive recruits since he's come aboard. I thought It was Jack Tuttle, who has been actively recruiting for us, and i'm sure that's part of it but that doesn't explain Carrington.Tequilla said:I'd love your opinion @89ute as to why USC is being successful getting that inroad into the Poly world ...
But your overall point, this idea that UW is going to go into Utah and be successful? Not going to happen. The only chance we have is with the random kid like Ty Jones that for whatever reason is stuck living in the greater SLC area (and in Jones' case Provo) and can't wait to find a way to get the hell out of there.
As far as Polys to SC, I think its just SC being SC and nothing more. As far a Tufele, I was shocked we lost him and it was a hard kick in the nuts as far as recruiting profile, but we later learned Jay's dad got himself a nice little job with SC. I don't think they're building any kind of pipeline, but it's still concerning. -
FREE PUB from doogpound
https://www.uwdawgpound.com/2017/8/1/16076416/dots-washington-huskies-football-markelle-fultz-fall-camp-recruiting-secondary-azeem-victor
S/O @jhfstyle24 - hopefully ur grades are good enough to be a doog one day unlike @backthepack
Baabz flag me caz you a fag -
Here's what I got from the podcast. Teq has an automated ice maker. Stop fucking around with your alcoholism and do it right. Get some of these.
-
Grades shit + SAT score eliteWeakarmCobra said:FREE PUB from doogpound
https://www.uwdawgpound.com/2017/8/1/16076416/dots-washington-huskies-football-markelle-fultz-fall-camp-recruiting-secondary-azeem-victor
S/O @jhfstyle24 - hopefully ur grades are good enough to be a doog one day unlike @backthepack
Baabz flag me caz you a fag
-
Don't listen if easily offended ...
LOL -
Recommending a TSiO pod before listening to it is a ballsy moveWeakarmCobra said:FREE PUB from doogpound
https://www.uwdawgpound.com/2017/8/1/16076416/dots-washington-huskies-football-markelle-fultz-fall-camp-recruiting-secondary-azeem-victor
S/O @jhfstyle24 - hopefully ur grades are good enough to be a doog one day unlike @backthepack
Baabz flag me caz you a fag -
I’ve listened to several of their podcasts. As long as you can get by their crude comments and their non-football comments (poetry, and what’s up with Janet Reno?), they have some good comments on UW football, especially recruiting.WeakarmCobra said:FREE PUB from doogpound
https://www.uwdawgpound.com/2017/8/1/16076416/dots-washington-huskies-football-markelle-fultz-fall-camp-recruiting-secondary-azeem-victor
S/O @jhfstyle24 - hopefully ur grades are good enough to be a doog one day unlike @backthepack
Baabz flag me caz you a fag
This podcast is a bit ironic considering that they discuss how much effort UW should put into recruiting in Texas, considering that they recorded it just before UW got two commits from Texas. -
That podcast is one of the most horrifying, disturbing, profane, brilliant, insightful, and hilarious UW-related things I’ve ever heard. How have I not heard of these guys before?
-
It's a really fun listen.
Sounds like my usual drunken conversations with friends after games. -
I don't if I'd say "horrifying", but the other descriptions are appropriate
Their podcast is available on iTunes. Go back and listen to some of their podcasts from earlier this year. (Those descriptions apply to the earlier podcasts that I’ve listened to as well, so expect more of the same.)
