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Sad thing is, it's the Republicans always screaming about fake news yet they believe the fake news they want to hear.
Trump won the electoral college, but he lost the popular vote by over 2.8 million votes to Clinton. The president has blamed his popular vote loss on widespread voter fraud, but there is no evidence to support his claim. Still, a new Morning Consult/Politico poll found 47 percent of Republicans believe Trump won the popular vote, while just 42 percent believe Clinton won. Overall, the poll found, 28 percent of voters believe Trump won the popular vote.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/almost-half-republicans-believe-trump-163011933.html
Trump won the electoral college, but he lost the popular vote by over 2.8 million votes to Clinton. The president has blamed his popular vote loss on widespread voter fraud, but there is no evidence to support his claim. Still, a new Morning Consult/Politico poll found 47 percent of Republicans believe Trump won the popular vote, while just 42 percent believe Clinton won. Overall, the poll found, 28 percent of voters believe Trump won the popular vote.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/almost-half-republicans-believe-trump-163011933.html
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No one cares
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Fuck offAZDuck said: -
What?RaceBannon said:
Fuck offAZDuck said:
The President seems to care - that's why he keeps bringing it up. -
Why are you trying so hard to change America into something we've never been?AZDuck said: -
Us?. I don't think so.AZDuck said:
And we have a Republic, ya useful idiot. Maybe you should stick to Sweden and Trains!!! worship. -
Proof of how modern education has failed our youth.
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It is equally naive to deny that at least a portion of those 2.8 Million were illegals or non-registered voters.
I have no idea whether there were more than 2.8 Million illegal votes cast. It could be way more, it could be way less. -
One would think that a concern for democracy would include legal voters.PurpleThrobber said:It is equally naive to deny that at least a portion of those 2.8 Million were illegals or non-registered voters.
I have no idea whether there were more than 2.8 Million illegal votes cast. It could be way more, it could be way less. -
Making sure people who vote are legally doing it is racist
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It's a fucking red herring. Republicans have been looking for illegal voters for years, and haven't come up with shit and lied to the courts about it.PurpleThrobber said:It is equally naive to deny that at least a portion of those 2.8 Million were illegals or non-registered voters.
I have no idea whether there were more than 2.8 Million illegal votes cast. It could be way more, it could be way less.
Hell, in Texas, they could only prosecute 50 cases of voter fraud over a ten-year period, with a special task force nominated by the Republican Governor looking for it. Mind you, we're talking about millions of votes in a state with a 700-mile border with Mexico.
Just saying illegals voting is a problem, without evidence, doesn't make it one. -
I think we need to bring back the requirement that only property owners can vote. Fuck all you poor ass renters.
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In order to have evidence you need the desire to look for it which we all know the democrats don't. That in itself is a red flag. In California you can register to vote without proof of citizenship and there are groups to exist to register illegalsAZDuck said:
It's a fucking red herring. Republicans have been looking for illegal voters for years, and haven't come up with shit and lied to the courts about it.PurpleThrobber said:It is equally naive to deny that at least a portion of those 2.8 Million were illegals or non-registered voters.
I have no idea whether there were more than 2.8 Million illegal votes cast. It could be way more, it could be way less.
Hell, in Texas, they could only prosecute 50 cases of voter fraud over a ten-year period, with a special task force nominated by the Republican Governor looking for it. Mind you, we're talking about millions of votes in a state with a 700-mile border with Mexico.
Just saying illegals voting is a problem, without evidence, doesn't make it one.
If you don't have processes in place to ensure only legals vote you have another giant red flag, not red herring.
In Virginia we have proof and the Governor, a Clinton hack, won't cooperate with th Trump initiative to find out. Red flag, not herring
nationalreview.com/article/448098/virginia-voter-fraud-report-noncitizens-voted-illegally
When a party refuses to cooperate and just mouths shit about red herrings its a red flag. -
Or, you know, someone making something out of nothing so they can keep the blicks and spacs from voting legallyRaceBannon said:
In order to have evidence you need the desire to look for it which we all know the democrats don't [already proven false - all those people looking for voter fraud in numerous studies, task forces, etc.] . That in itself is a red flag [huh?]. In California you can register to vote without proof of citizenship and there are groups to exist to register illegals [I went to the SoS website and it said you need a CA license or ID card (requires birth certificate) and your SSN (requires US citizenship or green card)]AZDuck said:
It's a fucking red herring. Republicans have been looking for illegal voters for years, and haven't come up with shit and lied to the courts about it.PurpleThrobber said:It is equally naive to deny that at least a portion of those 2.8 Million were illegals or non-registered voters.
I have no idea whether there were more than 2.8 Million illegal votes cast. It could be way more, it could be way less.
Hell, in Texas, they could only prosecute 50 cases of voter fraud over a ten-year period, with a special task force nominated by the Republican Governor looking for it. Mind you, we're talking about millions of votes in a state with a 700-mile border with Mexico.
Just saying illegals voting is a problem, without evidence, doesn't make it one.
So, you are right in the most technical sense. Someone could present a green card and a CA license and vote. Problem is, they will be flashing red whenever the list gets checked, which it does. And then they would be subject to criminal penalties and deportation. Again, it's theoretically possible, but the folks who are looking for it haven't found a problem. So why are we looking to fix something that isn't broken?
If you don't have processes in place to ensure only legals vote you have another giant red flag, not red herring.
The process is the affidavit, sworn under penalty of perjury, that the person completing the application is a US citizen.
In Virginia we have proof and the Governor, a Clinton hack, won't cooperate with the Trump initiative to find out. Red flag, not herring
No, that's Kris Kobach, a known liar and suppressor of minority votes. Almost every state, including many Republican ones agree with Virginia and the Clinton hack
nationalreview.com/article/448098/virginia-voter-fraud-report-noncitizens-voted-illegally
Allegedly, 2,000 illegals voted at some point in the past. 6,000 illegals were registered to vote. Out of 5,000,000 registered voters and 4,000,000 voters in the last election. So the system seems to be working. It's a fringe problem, not a threat to our democracy.
When a party refuses to cooperate and just mouths shit about red herrings its a red flag. -
When you lose the argument pull the race cardAZDuck said:
Or, you know, someone making something out of nothing so they can keep the blicks and spacs from voting legallyRaceBannon said:
In order to have evidence you need the desire to look for it which we all know the democrats don't [already proven false - all those people looking for voter fraud in numerous studies, task forces, etc.] . That in itself is a red flag [huh?]. In California you can register to vote without proof of citizenship and there are groups to exist to register illegals [I went to the SoS website and it said you need a CA license or ID card (requires birth certificate) and your SSN (requires US citizenship or green card)]AZDuck said:
It's a fucking red herring. Republicans have been looking for illegal voters for years, and haven't come up with shit and lied to the courts about it.PurpleThrobber said:It is equally naive to deny that at least a portion of those 2.8 Million were illegals or non-registered voters.
I have no idea whether there were more than 2.8 Million illegal votes cast. It could be way more, it could be way less.
Hell, in Texas, they could only prosecute 50 cases of voter fraud over a ten-year period, with a special task force nominated by the Republican Governor looking for it. Mind you, we're talking about millions of votes in a state with a 700-mile border with Mexico.
Just saying illegals voting is a problem, without evidence, doesn't make it one.
So, you are right in the most technical sense. Someone could present a green card and a CA license and vote. Problem is, they will be flashing red whenever the list gets checked, which it does. And then they would be subject to criminal penalties and deportation. Again, it's theoretically possible, but the folks who are looking for it haven't found a problem. So why are we looking to fix something that isn't broken?
If you don't have processes in place to ensure only legals vote you have another giant red flag, not red herring.
The process is the affidavit, sworn under penalty of perjury, that the person completing the application is a US citizen.
In Virginia we have proof and the Governor, a Clinton hack, won't cooperate with the Trump initiative to find out. Red flag, not herring
No, that's Kris Kobach, a known liar and suppressor of minority votes. Almost every state, including many Republican ones agree with Virginia and the Clinton hack
nationalreview.com/article/448098/virginia-voter-fraud-report-noncitizens-voted-illegally
Allegedly, 2,000 illegals voted at some point in the past. 6,000 illegals were registered to vote. Out of 5,000,000 registered voters and 4,000,000 voters in the last election. So the system seems to be working. It's a fringe problem, not a threat to our democracy.
When a party refuses to cooperate and just mouths shit about red herrings its a red flag.
I live in California - you are wrong. In Virginia illegals signed the affidavit when they weren't legal
Why are you so interested in not investigating
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I got you in the naive column, Holmes.AZDuck said:
It's a fucking red herring. Republicans have been looking for illegal voters for years, and haven't come up with shit and lied to the courts about it.PurpleThrobber said:It is equally naive to deny that at least a portion of those 2.8 Million were illegals or non-registered voters.
I have no idea whether there were more than 2.8 Million illegal votes cast. It could be way more, it could be way less.
Hell, in Texas, they could only prosecute 50 cases of voter fraud over a ten-year period, with a special task force nominated by the Republican Governor looking for it. Mind you, we're talking about millions of votes in a state with a 700-mile border with Mexico.
Just saying illegals voting is a problem, without evidence, doesn't make it one. -
PurpleThrobber said:
I got you in the willfully naive column, Holmes.AZDuck said:
It's a fucking red herring. Republicans have been looking for illegal voters for years, and haven't come up with shit and lied to the courts about it.PurpleThrobber said:It is equally naive to deny that at least a portion of those 2.8 Million were illegals or non-registered voters.
I have no idea whether there were more than 2.8 Million illegal votes cast. It could be way more, it could be way less.
Hell, in Texas, they could only prosecute 50 cases of voter fraud over a ten-year period, with a special task force nominated by the Republican Governor looking for it. Mind you, we're talking about millions of votes in a state with a 700-mile border with Mexico.
Just saying illegals voting is a problem, without evidence, doesn't make it one. -
I got @Swaye in the native column too.Southerndawg said:PurpleThrobber said:
I got you in the willfully naive column, Holmes.AZDuck said:
It's a fucking red herring. Republicans have been looking for illegal voters for years, and haven't come up with shit and lied to the courts about it.PurpleThrobber said:It is equally naive to deny that at least a portion of those 2.8 Million were illegals or non-registered voters.
I have no idea whether there were more than 2.8 Million illegal votes cast. It could be way more, it could be way less.
Hell, in Texas, they could only prosecute 50 cases of voter fraud over a ten-year period, with a special task force nominated by the Republican Governor looking for it. Mind you, we're talking about millions of votes in a state with a 700-mile border with Mexico.
Just saying illegals voting is a problem, without evidence, doesn't make it one. -
2,000 votes out of 4 million = CRISISRaceBannon said:
When you lose the argument pull the race cardAZDuck said:
Or, you know, someone making something out of nothing so they can keep the blicks and spacs from voting legallyRaceBannon said:
In order to have evidence you need the desire to look for it which we all know the democrats don't [already proven false - all those people looking for voter fraud in numerous studies, task forces, etc.] . That in itself is a red flag [huh?]. In California you can register to vote without proof of citizenship and there are groups to exist to register illegals [I went to the SoS website and it said you need a CA license or ID card (requires birth certificate) and your SSN (requires US citizenship or green card)]AZDuck said:
It's a fucking red herring. Republicans have been looking for illegal voters for years, and haven't come up with shit and lied to the courts about it.PurpleThrobber said:It is equally naive to deny that at least a portion of those 2.8 Million were illegals or non-registered voters.
I have no idea whether there were more than 2.8 Million illegal votes cast. It could be way more, it could be way less.
Hell, in Texas, they could only prosecute 50 cases of voter fraud over a ten-year period, with a special task force nominated by the Republican Governor looking for it. Mind you, we're talking about millions of votes in a state with a 700-mile border with Mexico.
Just saying illegals voting is a problem, without evidence, doesn't make it one.
So, you are right in the most technical sense. Someone could present a green card and a CA license and vote. Problem is, they will be flashing red whenever the list gets checked, which it does. And then they would be subject to criminal penalties and deportation. Again, it's theoretically possible, but the folks who are looking for it haven't found a problem. So why are we looking to fix something that isn't broken?
If you don't have processes in place to ensure only legals vote you have another giant red flag, not red herring.
The process is the affidavit, sworn under penalty of perjury, that the person completing the application is a US citizen.
In Virginia we have proof and the Governor, a Clinton hack, won't cooperate with the Trump initiative to find out. Red flag, not herring
No, that's Kris Kobach, a known liar and suppressor of minority votes. Almost every state, including many Republican ones agree with Virginia and the Clinton hack
nationalreview.com/article/448098/virginia-voter-fraud-report-noncitizens-voted-illegally
Allegedly, 2,000 illegals voted at some point in the past. 6,000 illegals were registered to vote. Out of 5,000,000 registered voters and 4,000,000 voters in the last election. So the system seems to be working. It's a fringe problem, not a threat to our democracy.
When a party refuses to cooperate and just mouths shit about red herrings its a red flag.
I live in California - you are wrong. In Virginia illegals signed the affidavit when they weren't legal
Why are you so interested in not investigating
Red flag
Voter suppression is real -
You have no idea of the number and your party doesn't want to find out
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I committed voter fraud.
My sister's absentee ballot got sent to my mom's house so I voted trump and sent it in.
But since I'm Mexican it's fine right -
I know the number. It's not substantialRaceBannon said:You have no idea of the number and your party doesn't want to find out
https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/resources-voter-fraud-claims
Even your buddies at the National Review's best effort was 2,000 out of 4,000,000. And that assumes they all voted in the last election, which even their article didn't claim.
Here's why your guys are all hot and bothered about "illegals voting"
"[S]trict ID laws cause a reduction in Democratic turnout by 8.8 percentage points, compared to a reduction of 3.6 percentage points for Republicans"“The analysis shows that strict identification laws have a differentially negative impact on the turnout of Hispanics, Blacks, Asian-Americans, and multi-racial Americans in primaries and general elections,”
Fake news?
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So, now you admit the size and scope is much larger than what you were touting at the beginning of his thread?
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The old trickle truthdoogie said:So, now you admit the size and scope is much larger than what you were touting at the beginning of his thread?
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National Review is the home of Never Trump, not my buddies. I want the investigation, you don't. Why?AZDuck said:
I know the number. It's not substantialRaceBannon said:You have no idea of the number and your party doesn't want to find out
https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/resources-voter-fraud-claims
Even your buddies at the National Review's best effort was 2,000 out of 4,000,000. And that assumes they all voted in the last election, which even their article didn't claim.
2,000 is a bullshit number on its face
Its like the tens of thousands of trannies in the military -
Paul Ryan was a never Trumpster too. But he danced when the Prez called the tune.
I don't know if 2,000 is bullshit or not. It's your number.
Lots of people give a shit and have studied it. Libruls even. The hyper-conservative Governor of Texas threw a task force at it and has come up with 50 convictions in 15 years.
Kris Kobach, known liar, was able to convict nine people in Kansas out of 1.8 million registered voters. Again, with huge state resources and a whole staff dedicated to running the prosecutions. Kansas also has a bunch of illegals working in slaughterhouses in the western part of the state. If there was ever a place illegals voting could have an impact, it's way out there.
But nope, ruby red.
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it's almost as if we have studies on shit like thisPurpleThrobber said:It is equally naive to deny that at least a portion of those 2.8 Million were illegals or non-registered voters.
I have no idea whether there were more than 2.8 Million illegal votes cast. It could be way more, it could be way less. -
linked in this very thread, multiple times, evendhdawg said:
it's almost as if we have studies on shit like thisPurpleThrobber said:It is equally naive to deny that at least a portion of those 2.8 Million were illegals or non-registered voters.
I have no idea whether there were more than 2.8 Million illegal votes cast. It could be way more, it could be way less. -
Fake study bitchAZDuck said:
linked in this very thread, multiple times, evendhdawg said:
it's almost as if we have studies on shit like thisPurpleThrobber said:It is equally naive to deny that at least a portion of those 2.8 Million were illegals or non-registered voters.
I have no idea whether there were more than 2.8 Million illegal votes cast. It could be way more, it could be way less. -
which one was fake? There were like 50 of themPitchfork51 said:
Fake study bitchAZDuck said:
linked in this very thread, multiple times, evendhdawg said:
it's almost as if we have studies on shit like thisPurpleThrobber said:It is equally naive to deny that at least a portion of those 2.8 Million were illegals or non-registered voters.
I have no idea whether there were more than 2.8 Million illegal votes cast. It could be way more, it could be way less.
