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  • RedRocket
    RedRocket Member Posts: 1,527
    UWhuskytskeet said:

    RedRocket said:

    Mosster47 said:

    Hydroelectric is 1 cent per KW to generate. Nuclear is slightly more and completely safe with the correct reactor.

    Why any option besides these two are ever talked about is crazy.

    There isn't very much untapped conventional hydro potential in the US. It's also more expensive than 1 cent per kWh to generate hydro. BPA sells wholesale for like $35/MWh ~ 3.5 cents/kWh and they own huge dams, that were built decades ago and are mostly depreciated.

    Nuclear isn't cheap either because of all the regulation and NIMBY surrounding it. Read up on WPPSS if you want to know why people don't build more nuclear. Nukes generate a shit load of electricity but they cost a fortune to build and if the load growth isn't there to support it then it turns into a massive boondoggle. Also Obama screwed th pooch by shutting down Yucca.
    Mid-C doesn't trade at $35/Mwh in futures, it hardly reaches $30, and drops to $17 in spring. With California adding more and more solar, there is less demand served by expensive fuels, and in turn less of a demand for NW electricity, though plenty still heads south.
    True MIDC usually doesn't go much over 35 on futures but MIDC also isn't the best proxy for how much it costs to own and operate a dam because, in theory, MIDC price should be based on marginal cost. Natural gas usually sets the margin at MIDC, except during run off. A better proxy than MIDC is BPA's Block rate which is closer to $35 because it also includes all the fixed costs associated with operating a massive federal hydro system.
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    CuntWaffle said:

    2001400ex said:

    So lets just do nothing then.

    What are YOU doing Hondo? You like to dodge this question.
    Right. What do you expect me to do about it?
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 116,555 Founders Club
    Solar is great for Palm Springs air conditioning and southwest pools and stuff. The issue as always is how something scales out for mass use. Wind and solar are scars on the earth as it is in limited use now.
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    RaceBannon said:

    Solar is great for Palm Springs air conditioning and southwest pools and stuff. The issue as always is how something scales out for mass use. Wind and solar are scars on the earth as it is in limited use now.

    And oil refineries are a breath of fresh air.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 116,555 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Solar is great for Palm Springs air conditioning and southwest pools and stuff. The issue as always is how something scales out for mass use. Wind and solar are scars on the earth as it is in limited use now.

    And oil refineries are a breath of fresh air.
    Oil serves 7 billion people. I know you don't understand scale. My drive to Palm Springs isn't ruined by oil wells
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  • CuntWaffle
    CuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,500
    2001400ex said:

    CuntWaffle said:

    2001400ex said:

    So lets just do nothing then.

    What are YOU doing Hondo? You like to dodge this question.
    Right. What do you expect me to do about it?
    Exactly. So stop being so smug and shut the fuck up.
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 39,126 Standard Supporter
    edited July 2017
    Funny how the green loons are fine with wind and solar killing birds, included protected species, in large numbers. I say we toss them into the beam from thousands of mirrors for a little tanning session.

    Of course burning fossils fuel for solar is a wonderful idea....

    http://www.pe.com/2017/01/23/ivanpah-solar-plant-built-to-limit-greenhouse-gases-is-burning-more-natural-gas/
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