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HFNY
HFNY Member Posts: 5,400
Or they'll end up with fools like Jay Inslee and Mayor (alleged) Molester:

https://city-journal.org/html/lone-star-lilliput-15198.html

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  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    HFNY said:

    Or they'll end up with fools like Jay Inslee and Mayor (alleged) Molester:

    https://city-journal.org/html/lone-star-lilliput-15198.html

    I stopped reading here:

    a condition that has contributed substantially to California’s economic decline
  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,400
    Tech is booming, stock market is making records, and unemployment is at a 10 year low but they are running a deficit again. The public sector unions run CA and they are screwed when the next recession comes because it won't get any better:

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  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,400
    California relies heavily on income taxes and capital gains taxes to fund their existing government and their pensioners. An increasing amount of baby-boomer paper pushers are retiring, putting further strain on their budgets.

    In other words, they have virtually no margin for error yet they are projecting a deficit when the economy is supposed to be at or near peak performance.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,860 Standard Supporter
    HFNY said:

    California relies heavily on income taxes and capital gains taxes to fund their existing government and their pensioners. An increasing amount of baby-boomer paper pushers are retiring, putting further strain on their budgets.

    In other words, they have virtually no margin for error yet they are projecting a deficit when the economy is supposed to be at or near peak performance.

    Kali is paying billions for the train to nowhere. Billions on illegals which now includes attorney fees to fight deportation. Welfare up the kazoo and more stupid liberal bullshit than you can shake Dflea's teeny little dick at.
  • BearsWiin
    BearsWiin Member Posts: 5,072
    Always entertaining to read the NW contingent portending DOOM for California. The graphics used here are outdated by four months. Might want to update things. Sure, there are problems, but we'll be fine, thanks. If it pisses off Dems for not spending enough and Reps for spending too much, then it's likely in the ballpark of where it should be.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/05/11/jerry-brown-unveils-new-state-budget-proposal-thursday/
  • LoneStarDawg
    LoneStarDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,681 Founders Club
    Pension crisis ongoing in Dallas, fire/police obligations seem unsustainable, which is great for a city with serious racial and class tension.
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    HFNY said:

    California relies heavily on income taxes and capital gains taxes to fund their existing government and their pensioners. An increasing amount of baby-boomer paper pushers are retiring, putting further strain on their budgets.

    In other words, they have virtually no margin for error yet they are projecting a deficit when the economy is supposed to be at or near peak performance.

    So you agree their economy is at peak performance.

    Why did you link that stupid article?
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Personal and corporate income taxes and sales taxes have all fallen short of budget projections, said Michael Cohen, Brown's finance director. California relies disproportionately on capital gains tax revenue, meaning the state is unusually dependent on the performance of the stock market

    *snicker



    https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/313579-california-faces-budget-gap-amid-uncertainty-over-obamacare?amp
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    doogie said:

    Personal and corporate income taxes and sales taxes have all fallen short of budget projections, said Michael Cohen, Brown's finance director. California relies disproportionately on capital gains tax revenue, meaning the state is unusually dependent on the performance of the stock market

    *snicker



    https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/313579-california-faces-budget-gap-amid-uncertainty-over-obamacare?amp

    Great link from January 10th as always.

    California does have a budget shortfall, but it's not massive.
  • BearsWiin
    BearsWiin Member Posts: 5,072

    doogie said:

    Personal and corporate income taxes and sales taxes have all fallen short of budget projections, said Michael Cohen, Brown's finance director. California relies disproportionately on capital gains tax revenue, meaning the state is unusually dependent on the performance of the stock market

    *snicker



    https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/313579-california-faces-budget-gap-amid-uncertainty-over-obamacare?amp

    Great link from January 10th as always.

    California does have a budget shortfall, but it's not massive.
    Christ. It's almost as if some people on this bored don't even fucking read.
  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    BearsWiin said:

    doogie said:

    Personal and corporate income taxes and sales taxes have all fallen short of budget projections, said Michael Cohen, Brown's finance director. California relies disproportionately on capital gains tax revenue, meaning the state is unusually dependent on the performance of the stock market

    *snicker



    https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/313579-california-faces-budget-gap-amid-uncertainty-over-obamacare?amp

    Great link from January 10th as always.

    California does have a budget shortfall, but it's not massive.
    Christ. It's almost as if some people on this bored don't can't even fucking read.
  • BearsWiin
    BearsWiin Member Posts: 5,072
    AZDuck said:

    BearsWiin said:

    doogie said:

    Personal and corporate income taxes and sales taxes have all fallen short of budget projections, said Michael Cohen, Brown's finance director. California relies disproportionately on capital gains tax revenue, meaning the state is unusually dependent on the performance of the stock market

    *snicker



    https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/313579-california-faces-budget-gap-amid-uncertainty-over-obamacare?amp

    Great link from January 10th as always.

    California does have a budget shortfall, but it's not massive.
    Christ. It's almost as if some people on this bored don't can't even fucking read.
    It's worse when you can, and don't, than if you can't in the first place.
  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam
    Swaye said:

    Sledog said:

    HFNY said:

    California relies heavily on income taxes and capital gains taxes to fund their existing government and their pensioners. An increasing amount of baby-boomer paper pushers are retiring, putting further strain on their budgets.

    In other words, they have virtually no margin for error yet they are projecting a deficit when the economy is supposed to be at or near peak performance.

    Kali is paying billions for the train to nowhere. Billions on illegals which now includes attorney fees to fight deportation. Welfare up the kazoo and more stupid liberal bullshit than you can shake Dflea's teeny little dick at.
    I have it on good authority @Dflea has a huge porn star dong. A fish told me, which was weird, but I also talk to horses, so whatever.
    All true.
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    We? are doing fine. Thanks for caring

    When Race and I agree, the case is closed.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,840

    I'm still mad the Mayans cooged it on their 2012 prediction.

    Loosers loose
  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,400
    Some of you guys are far too complacent about the impending local and state budget implosions. It's a bipartisan issue and while California, Illinois, and NJ have the worst reputations, it is starting to hit Red States too.

    image


    From the WSJ: https://wsj.com/articles/connecticut-nations-wealthiest-state-may-be-tapped-out-on-taxing-the-rich-1495186203?mod=trending_now_1

    Connecticut’s budget office expects 2017 income-tax collections to fall for the first time since the recession.

    Connecticut, which has the highest per capita income of any state, is forecasting a $400 million shortfall in state income-tax collections this year. reviving a debate over tax increases for the state’s wealthiest earners

    By Joseph De Avila
    Updated May 19, 2017 7:19 p.m. ET

    The wealthiest state in the U.S. is having trouble collecting enough money to pay its bills, and the Democratic governor doesn’t think taxing the rich is the answer anymore.

    After two decades of robust growth, Connecticut forecasts it will come in $400 million short in income-tax collections this fiscal year, worsening a budget crisis that has prompted all three major ratings firms recently to downgrade the state’s credit rating.

    Connecticut’s budget office estimates that income-tax collections will fall in fiscal 2017 for the first time since the recession.

    About $200 million of the drop in receipts came from the state’s closely watched top 100 earners, who are the source of an outsize proportion of the state’s revenue. Many of the state’s richest residents work for hedge funds, which have been hurt by a downturn in the industry.

    Gov. Dannel Malloy has twice before bet that taxing the wealthy would help solve the state’s fiscal problems. But neither increase resulted in sustained revenue growth, according to his administration, which says it would be a mistake to do it a third time.

    A spokesman for Mr. Malloy’s budget office referred questions to the state’s Department of Revenue Services.

    “You can’t go back to that well again,” said Kevin Sullivan, commissioner of the Department of Revenue Services. “The idea that there is yet another significant amount, in terms of long-term stability, to get out of that portion of the population is just not true.”

    The tax question in Connecticut, where several thousand tax filers with adjusted gross incomes of more than $1 million a year account for about a third of all income tax receipts, comes amid a shift in tax policy nationally. President Donald Trump, who campaigned on promises to lower taxes, has proposed lowering business and individual rates. But he is also seeking to repeal a deduction on state taxes that will especially hit high-income earners, making it tougher for states to raise taxes among the richest.

    Connecticut’s fiscal troubles come as a majority of states face budget holes this cycle, according to a recent report issued by Standard & Poor’s. At least nine states are considering some form of tax increase, such as raising corporation taxes and sales taxes, according to the report.

    Connecticut is one of seven states, including Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Illinois, that is vulnerable to fiscal stress “even as the broader economy shows signs of gathering momentum,” the report concluded.

    It’s a strange turn for Connecticut, which has the highest per capita income in the country, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, and is home to hundreds of hedge funds, Yale University, and businesses like insurer Aetna Inc. and industrial giant United Technologies Inc.

    Connecticut Governor Dannel P. Malloy delivered his 2017 State of the State Address at the State Capital in Hartford on Jan. 4. He helped put through tax income increases in 2011 and 2015, raising the top rate to 6.99%.

    The state projects a $5.1 billion budget deficit over the next two fiscal years, fueled by increases in fixed costs over that period including pension obligations, health-care expenses and debt servicing.

    In its recent downgrade, which landed Connecticut with the third-lowest rating for a state, Moody’s Investors Service flagged the state’s shrinking population since 2013—the current population is 3.58 million—as contributing to an underperforming housing market and weak labor-force growth.

    Some states that rely heavily on the wealthy for income taxes, such as New York, also have growing populations, which may better prepare them to weather bad times, said Mark Robbins, professor of public policy at the University of Connecticut.

    “If you can count on a steady influx of new residents, you can count on some additional revenue for them,” Mr. Robbins said. But in Connecticut “where the population is flat, that is one thing you don’t have to look to.”

    Connecticut pitched leafy suburban neighborhoods and good schools for decades as a way to lure residents away from New York. But urban revival has gained steam, drawing away recent college graduates who aren’t interested in such bedroom communities. The shift motivated General Electric Co. last year to move its top executives from Fairfield, Conn., to a new base in Boston.

    Now state lawmakers are looking at options to address fiscal problems and reviving the debate on whether to increase taxes at the top.

    Connecticut introduced its income tax in the early 1990s, and income-tax growth averaged 9% a year from 1993 through 2008. Since then, the average has been 2% a year. Mr. Malloy put through two tax income increases, in 2011 and 2015, raising the top rate to 6.99%.

    Opponents of the past tax hikes have said yet another one would scare away the very people the state relies on. The number of tax filers leaving Connecticut have exceeded the number of filers moving into the Nutmeg state since at least 2010, according to the Internal Revenue Service.

    Yet data from the state revenue department shows the number of full-time Connecticut tax filers with an adjusted-gross income of $1 million or more grew to 11,223 in 2015, a 21% increase over 2011. The state says fewer than five of its top 100 taxpayers have fallen out of the ranking since 2014.

    Mr. Sullivan of the state’s revenue department said after each of the past two income-tax increases, the average tax liability for the state’s 100 wealthiest residents would increase in one year and then fall. He said that suggests those wealthy residents either adjusted their tax strategies or earned less money in the down years.

    The current decline in income taxes also could be the result of wealthy people deferring 2016 income in anticipation of national tax reform, he said.

    Patrick Hayes, a Darien, Conn., resident who works in architectural interiors, says the state’s fiscal mess proves that raising taxes on the wealthy can’t solve Connecticut’s problems.

    “We need a better plan,” said Mr. Hayes, 49, who noted he is among the group of top earners in the state. “Has this strategy failed previously? Then why we do we keep pursuing it?”

    To address the revenue shortfall, Mr. Malloy is seeking $700 million in concessions from public-sector unions and has threatened pink slips if unions won’t come to the table. He also wants to cut $700 million in state funds to cities and towns.

    Public-sector unions, however, maintain that the state’s wealthy should help solve the state’s fiscal problems.

    State lawmakers should consider “asking Connecticut’s wealthiest taxpayers and largest corporations to sacrifice and pay a little more to protect the services that people rely on,” said Larry Dorman, a spokesman for Council 4, the state’s largest public-sector union.



    Write to Joseph De Avila at joseph.deavila@wsj.com
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    HFNY said:

    Some of you guys are far too complacent about the impending local and state budget implosions. It's a bipartisan issue and while California, Illinois, and NJ have the worst reputations, it is starting to hit Red States too.

    image


    From the WSJ: https://wsj.com/articles/connecticut-nations-wealthiest-state-may-be-tapped-out-on-taxing-the-rich-1495186203?mod=trending_now_1

    Connecticut’s budget office expects 2017 income-tax collections to fall for the first time since the recession.

    Connecticut, which has the highest per capita income of any state, is forecasting a $400 million shortfall in state income-tax collections this year. reviving a debate over tax increases for the state’s wealthiest earners

    By Joseph De Avila
    Updated May 19, 2017 7:19 p.m. ET

    The wealthiest state in the U.S. is having trouble collecting enough money to pay its bills, and the Democratic governor doesn’t think taxing the rich is the answer anymore.

    After two decades of robust growth, Connecticut forecasts it will come in $400 million short in income-tax collections this fiscal year, worsening a budget crisis that has prompted all three major ratings firms recently to downgrade the state’s credit rating.

    Connecticut’s budget office estimates that income-tax collections will fall in fiscal 2017 for the first time since the recession.

    About $200 million of the drop in receipts came from the state’s closely watched top 100 earners, who are the source of an outsize proportion of the state’s revenue. Many of the state’s richest residents work for hedge funds, which have been hurt by a downturn in the industry.

    Gov. Dannel Malloy has twice before bet that taxing the wealthy would help solve the state’s fiscal problems. But neither increase resulted in sustained revenue growth, according to his administration, which says it would be a mistake to do it a third time.

    A spokesman for Mr. Malloy’s budget office referred questions to the state’s Department of Revenue Services.

    “You can’t go back to that well again,” said Kevin Sullivan, commissioner of the Department of Revenue Services. “The idea that there is yet another significant amount, in terms of long-term stability, to get out of that portion of the population is just not true.”

    The tax question in Connecticut, where several thousand tax filers with adjusted gross incomes of more than $1 million a year account for about a third of all income tax receipts, comes amid a shift in tax policy nationally. President Donald Trump, who campaigned on promises to lower taxes, has proposed lowering business and individual rates. But he is also seeking to repeal a deduction on state taxes that will especially hit high-income earners, making it tougher for states to raise taxes among the richest.

    Connecticut’s fiscal troubles come as a majority of states face budget holes this cycle, according to a recent report issued by Standard & Poor’s. At least nine states are considering some form of tax increase, such as raising corporation taxes and sales taxes, according to the report.

    Connecticut is one of seven states, including Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Illinois, that is vulnerable to fiscal stress “even as the broader economy shows signs of gathering momentum,” the report concluded.

    It’s a strange turn for Connecticut, which has the highest per capita income in the country, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, and is home to hundreds of hedge funds, Yale University, and businesses like insurer Aetna Inc. and industrial giant United Technologies Inc.

    Connecticut Governor Dannel P. Malloy delivered his 2017 State of the State Address at the State Capital in Hartford on Jan. 4. He helped put through tax income increases in 2011 and 2015, raising the top rate to 6.99%.

    The state projects a $5.1 billion budget deficit over the next two fiscal years, fueled by increases in fixed costs over that period including pension obligations, health-care expenses and debt servicing.

    In its recent downgrade, which landed Connecticut with the third-lowest rating for a state, Moody’s Investors Service flagged the state’s shrinking population since 2013—the current population is 3.58 million—as contributing to an underperforming housing market and weak labor-force growth.

    Some states that rely heavily on the wealthy for income taxes, such as New York, also have growing populations, which may better prepare them to weather bad times, said Mark Robbins, professor of public policy at the University of Connecticut.

    “If you can count on a steady influx of new residents, you can count on some additional revenue for them,” Mr. Robbins said. But in Connecticut “where the population is flat, that is one thing you don’t have to look to.”

    Connecticut pitched leafy suburban neighborhoods and good schools for decades as a way to lure residents away from New York. But urban revival has gained steam, drawing away recent college graduates who aren’t interested in such bedroom communities. The shift motivated General Electric Co. last year to move its top executives from Fairfield, Conn., to a new base in Boston.

    Now state lawmakers are looking at options to address fiscal problems and reviving the debate on whether to increase taxes at the top.

    Connecticut introduced its income tax in the early 1990s, and income-tax growth averaged 9% a year from 1993 through 2008. Since then, the average has been 2% a year. Mr. Malloy put through two tax income increases, in 2011 and 2015, raising the top rate to 6.99%.

    Opponents of the past tax hikes have said yet another one would scare away the very people the state relies on. The number of tax filers leaving Connecticut have exceeded the number of filers moving into the Nutmeg state since at least 2010, according to the Internal Revenue Service.

    Yet data from the state revenue department shows the number of full-time Connecticut tax filers with an adjusted-gross income of $1 million or more grew to 11,223 in 2015, a 21% increase over 2011. The state says fewer than five of its top 100 taxpayers have fallen out of the ranking since 2014.

    Mr. Sullivan of the state’s revenue department said after each of the past two income-tax increases, the average tax liability for the state’s 100 wealthiest residents would increase in one year and then fall. He said that suggests those wealthy residents either adjusted their tax strategies or earned less money in the down years.

    The current decline in income taxes also could be the result of wealthy people deferring 2016 income in anticipation of national tax reform, he said.

    Patrick Hayes, a Darien, Conn., resident who works in architectural interiors, says the state’s fiscal mess proves that raising taxes on the wealthy can’t solve Connecticut’s problems.

    “We need a better plan,” said Mr. Hayes, 49, who noted he is among the group of top earners in the state. “Has this strategy failed previously? Then why we do we keep pursuing it?”

    To address the revenue shortfall, Mr. Malloy is seeking $700 million in concessions from public-sector unions and has threatened pink slips if unions won’t come to the table. He also wants to cut $700 million in state funds to cities and towns.

    Public-sector unions, however, maintain that the state’s wealthy should help solve the state’s fiscal problems.

    State lawmakers should consider “asking Connecticut’s wealthiest taxpayers and largest corporations to sacrifice and pay a little more to protect the services that people rely on,” said Larry Dorman, a spokesman for Council 4, the state’s largest public-sector union.



    Write to Joseph De Avila at joseph.deavila@wsj.com

    I'm hearing cutting taxes on the wealthy and businesses and cutting benefits from the middle class is the path to a budget surplus.
  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,400
    That's a non-sequitur...Connecticut isn't thinking about cutting taxes, simply not raising them again because they have a spending problem.

    California isn't thinking about tax cuts either yet they also have a spending problem
  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,400
    Read it and weep:

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