It's unfair to let Jake Browning's late season production define him (subscription)

backthepack said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

jecornel said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:

1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.

We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.

Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.

His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.

So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great!

You can't improve arm strength with weight training? What?

improving hand strength and forearm strength doesn't improve your ability to throw a football?

Nice troll job. You got me.

Clearly, you would make a terrible trainer.

Essentially you are saying Elway could throw the ball same in high school as he did in the NFL?

Muscle strength (and more importantly a particular kind of balance between strength in muscles used in the throwing motion) has a marginal effect on throwing velocity, but the main determinant is specific types of flexibility in ligaments; and that flexibility is unaffected by training.

While there is evidence for this, it also stands to reason - if everyone could just weight-lift their way to a stronger arm, then every fucking pitcher would be throwing 100mph and every QB would have an arm like Joe Flacco.

I can confirm this. I am a 13 year old and I can hardly throw the ball 30+ yards.

dnc said:

backthepack said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

jecornel said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:

1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.

We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.

Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.

His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.

So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great!

You can't improve arm strength with weight training? What?

improving hand strength and forearm strength doesn't improve your ability to throw a football?

Nice troll job. You got me.

Clearly, you would make a terrible trainer.

Essentially you are saying Elway could throw the ball same in high school as he did in the NFL?

Muscle strength (and more importantly a particular kind of balance between strength in muscles used in the throwing motion) has a marginal effect on throwing velocity, but the main determinant is specific types of flexibility in ligaments; and that flexibility is unaffected by training.

While there is evidence for this, it also stands to reason - if everyone could just weight-lift their way to a stronger arm, then every fucking pitcher would be throwing 100mph and every QB would have an arm like Joe Flacco.

I can confirm this. I used to be able to throw the ball 40+ yards as a 13 year old and throw 72 mph but i tore ligaments in my throwing elbow during a football practice. My elbow's ligament growth was stunted so i have a tight arm. Now i can hardly throw the ball 35+ yards 4 years later.

dnc said:

backthepack said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

jecornel said:

Dennis_DeYoung said:

Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:

1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.

We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.

Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.

His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.

So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great!

You can't improve arm strength with weight training? What?

improving hand strength and forearm strength doesn't improve your ability to throw a football?

Nice troll job. You got me.

Clearly, you would make a terrible trainer.

Essentially you are saying Elway could throw the ball same in high school as he did in the NFL?

Muscle strength (and more importantly a particular kind of balance between strength in muscles used in the throwing motion) has a marginal effect on throwing velocity, but the main determinant is specific types of flexibility in ligaments; and that flexibility is unaffected by training.

While there is evidence for this, it also stands to reason - if everyone could just weight-lift their way to a stronger arm, then every fucking pitcher would be throwing 100mph and every QB would have an arm like Joe Flacco.

I can confirm this. I used to be able to throw the ball 40+ yards as a 13 year old and throw 72 mph but i tore ligaments in my throwing elbow during a football practice. My elbow's ligament growth was stunted so i have a tight arm. Now i can hardly throw the ball 35+ yards 4 years later.

Dennis_DeYoung said:

Mosster47 said:

Tequilla said:

Strength training matters ... but throwing a ball or making a golf swing is driven more by mechanics and the ability for fast twitches to be quick

The example of Tiger bringing weight training to golf is actually a negative to the argument ... many point to his current troubles with his back to his weight training leaving him not flexible enough for the swing he had

JFC, No one gives a shit that Tiger swung so hard he broke bones in his legs.

People give a shit that he swung so hard and completely changed the game of golf. They had to "Tiger-proof" course so he wouldn't win ever week by ten or more shots.

His putter was ridiculous there for awhile too, but when a guy is hitting a wedge at the flag on every Par 4 compared to the other guys using a 7 or 8 iron it changes things.

Jack Nicklaus could keep winning majors later in life because courses were still short and technology was improving. If his short game was on he could beat anyone. Now if you don't hit the ball like a super hero you might as well stay home. Tiger will never be back because he turned golf into a sport of professional athletes.

Thank god for all this golf talk. Gave me a boner.

Pitchfork51 said:

I'm praying Jake gets injured and you go back to a shitty 7 win season so this place gets funny again.