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salemcoog said:

2001400ex said:

Dude61 said:

dhdawg said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Really? To me, it seems like a waste of time and taxpayer money, but to each their own

Until we scrap this idea of a worthless 15 billion dollar border wall I don't want to hear about anything "wasting taxpayer money"

FWIW I think this may get overturned

I read a study by FAIR that estimated the total burden on taxpayers in 2013 for illegal immigration exceeded $113 billion. The burden on Washington State in 2013 was $1.4 billion. A $15 billion investment in a wall has a quick payback. ONTH, there are other, cheaper ways to break the will of anyone wanting to cross the border illegally, and forcing those here illegally to leave.

You do realize there's been basically a net migration by Mexicans out of America, right? Not to mention about half of illegal immigrants actually enter the country legally.

So a wall is a solution without a problem.

Only Hondo.

salemcoog said:

2001400ex said:

Dude61 said:

dnc said:

I feel dirty but I'm with the bored libs here. The wall is going to be massively ineffective. It won't solve people overstaying their visas, it won't solve the millions who are already here (and will likely encourage a surge of those coming/decrease of those returning south before it is in place), and it won't solve the tunnels.

It's a massively expensive partial solution. To me it's not close to worth it.

Other options:

Repeal the anchor baby law.

Cut off all public assistance to illegals.

Punish companies that employ illegals. (Canada has some tough laws in this regard}

Develop a temporary work visa to allow migrant workers.

Less Humanitarian option:

Deploy state National Guards to border and give a two week notice. Shoot on sight anyone trying to cross illegally.

You do realize illegals don't get public assistance already. And one of the contributing factors to less illegal immigration is that Bush and Obama have increased security, border patrol, and deportations the last 15 years.

It's almost like you don't understand reality.

You are such a useful pawn. The benefits begin when the illegal mama starts squirting out the anchor babies. Food stamps, Healthcare, Housing vouchers are all available. Salem has been overrun with illegals who have had their anchor babies here and its a pretty common sight to see an illegal family fill up 2 grocery carts and pay with an EBT, snap, Oregon Trail or whatever you want to call it card and load them up in a late model Escalade or Tahoe.

And they have flooded our schools with the anchor babies. The youngest ones don't speak Engrish due to their parents not needing to ever learn Engrish themselves. This slows down the whole learning process for those that do speak Engrish and consequently Oregons schools are amongst the worse performing due in no small part to this fact.

There also is a ton of abuse in the program to boot.

salemcoog said:

2001400ex said:

salemcoog said:

2001400ex said:

Dude61 said:

dnc said:

I feel dirty but I'm with the bored libs here. The wall is going to be massively ineffective. It won't solve people overstaying their visas, it won't solve the millions who are already here (and will likely encourage a surge of those coming/decrease of those returning south before it is in place), and it won't solve the tunnels.

It's a massively expensive partial solution. To me it's not close to worth it.

Other options:

Repeal the anchor baby law.

Cut off all public assistance to illegals.

Punish companies that employ illegals. (Canada has some tough laws in this regard}

Develop a temporary work visa to allow migrant workers.

Less Humanitarian option:

Deploy state National Guards to border and give a two week notice. Shoot on sight anyone trying to cross illegally.

You do realize illegals don't get public assistance already. And one of the contributing factors to less illegal immigration is that Bush and Obama have increased security, border patrol, and deportations the last 15 years.

It's almost like you don't understand reality.

You are such a useful pawn. The benefits begin when the illegal mama starts squirting out the anchor babies. Food stamps, Healthcare, Housing vouchers are all available. Salem has been overrun with illegals who have had their anchor babies here and its a pretty common sight to see an illegal family fill up 2 grocery carts and pay with an EBT, snap, Oregon Trail or whatever you want to call it card and load them up in a late model Escalade or Tahoe.

And they have flooded our schools with the anchor babies. The youngest ones don't speak Engrish due to their parents not needing to ever learn Engrish themselves. This slows down the whole learning process for those that do speak Engrish and consequently Oregons schools are amongst the worse performing due in no small part to this fact.

There also is a ton of abuse in the program to boot.

STFU. You've never seen that once unless you are a regular panhandler. It's awesome watching you say you see that regularly while calling me a useful pawn. In the same paragraph even.

Unfortunately I see it just about everytime I shop at Winco. So its witnessed fact. Not a Hondo cut n paste from Wikipedia or a hack website. You should leave the basement every now and then.








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