It's unfair to let Jake Browning's late season production define him (subscription)
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Washington Huskies quarterback Jake Browning had a solid but unremarkable freshman campaign in 2015, ranking ninth in the Pac-12 in Total QBR (60.8).
Unremarkable is certainly not a word to describe Browning's sophomore season, as he tied the Pac-12 single-season record for most passing touchdowns (43) and finished sixth in the Heisman Trophy voting.
The improvement is impressive, but should his 2016 numbers be considered par for the course from here on out? Or is Browning's true talent level somewhere in between his freshman and sophomore production levels?
Let's take a deep dive to find out.
(Note: Unless otherwise specified, all of the metrics and associated rankings detailed below are from players and teams in Power 5 conferences.)
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I'm hearing he shit his britches against Bama.
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oregonblitzkrieg said:
I'm hearing he shit his britches against USC, Colorado and Bama.
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He's just lucky he didn't have to face a bowl team with a dominating defense such as Minneysotasalemcoog said:oregonblitzkrieg said:I'm hearing he shit his britches against USC, Colorado and Bama.
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It's just not fair to judge Jake Brownsocks against quality opponents.DerekJohnson said: -
Mods - Tell this diseased labia to get her own avatar.oregonblitzkrieg said:I'm hearing he shit his britches against Bama.
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HAHAHAHAPassion said:
Mods - Tell this diseased labia to get her own avatar.oregonblitzkrieg said:I'm hearing he shit his britches against Bama.
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Maybe he likes to bring heat from the edge and push up the middle as much as you.Passion said:
Mods - Tell this diseased labia to get her own avatar.oregonblitzkrieg said:I'm hearing he shit his britches against Bama.
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Such misogyny!Passion said:
Mods - Tell this diseased labia to get her own avatar.oregonblitzkrieg said:I'm hearing he shit his britches against Bama.
#ImWithHer
#WomensMarch
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Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:
1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.
We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.
Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.
His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.
So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great! -
I hope he improves his strength which hopefully fixes his hitch/timing.Dennis_DeYoung said:Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:
1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.
We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.
Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.
His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.
So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great! -
The two most entertaining threads on these boreds
1. Jake Browning threads
2. Offensive line recruiting threads
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Agreed. Lock him in the weight room, get his arm stronger. If only Ivan was here to get a hold of him...Dennis_DeYoung said:Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:
1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.
We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.
Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.
His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.
So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great! -
You can't improve arm strength with weight training? What?Dennis_DeYoung said:Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:
1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.
We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.
Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.
His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.
So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great!
improving hand strength and forearm strength doesn't improve your ability to throw a football?
Nice troll job. You got me.
Clearly, you would make a terrible trainer.
Essentially you are saying Elway could throw the ball same in high school as he did in the NFL?
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Stanford was a massively huge game at the time and Jake was absolutely spectacular.
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Weight training in regards to better leg and core strength helps. But traditional upper body strength training sacrifices flexibility which is a huge component in generating velocity and distance.jecornel said:
You can't improve arm strength with weight training? What?Dennis_DeYoung said:Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:
1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.
We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.
Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.
His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.
So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great!
improving hand strength and forearm strength doesn't improve your ability to throw a football?
Nice troll job. You got me.
Clearly, you would make a terrible trainer.
Essentially you are saying Elway could throw the ball same in high school as he did in the NFL? -
Arm strength can improve. He won't turn into Colin Kaepernick all of a sudden but it is possible.
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Bunch of football arm scientists in here.
Newsflash!! REAL football is played with feet!!! You play armball! -
Just a fucking whiney excuse for all the fucking weenie CUOG qbs.salemcoog said:
Weight training in regards to better leg and core strength helps. But traditional upper body strength training sacrifices flexibility which is a huge component in generating velocity and distance.jecornel said:
You can't improve arm strength with weight training? What?Dennis_DeYoung said:Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:
1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.
We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.
Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.
His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.
So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great!
improving hand strength and forearm strength doesn't improve your ability to throw a football?
Nice troll job. You got me.
Clearly, you would make a terrible trainer.
Essentially you are saying Elway could throw the ball same in high school as he did in the NFL?
They ALL end up like Falk - hurt and refusing to play in the meaningful games.
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Muscle strength (and more importantly a particular kind of balance between strength in muscles used in the throwing motion) has a marginal effect on throwing velocity, but the main determinant is specific types of flexibility in ligaments; and that flexibility is unaffected by training.jecornel said:
You can't improve arm strength with weight training? What?Dennis_DeYoung said:Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:
1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.
We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.
Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.
His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.
So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great!
improving hand strength and forearm strength doesn't improve your ability to throw a football?
Nice troll job. You got me.
Clearly, you would make a terrible trainer.
Essentially you are saying Elway could throw the ball same in high school as he did in the NFL?
While there is evidence for this, it also stands to reason - if everyone could just weight-lift their way to a stronger arm, then every fucking pitcher would be throwing 100mph and every QB would have an arm like Joe Flacco. -
Absolutely, but training your rotator cuff, shoulder, overall body strength and conditioning all correlate to improved arm strength and distance of throwing a football.salemcoog said:
Weight training in regards to better leg and core strength helps. But traditional upper body strength training sacrifices flexibility which is a huge component in generating velocity and distance.jecornel said:
You can't improve arm strength with weight training? What?Dennis_DeYoung said:Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:
1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.
We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.
Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.
His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.
So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great!
improving hand strength and forearm strength doesn't improve your ability to throw a football?
Nice troll job. You got me.
Clearly, you would make a terrible trainer.
Essentially you are saying Elway could throw the ball same in high school as he did in the NFL?
Guess who introduced strength training to golf? Tiger fucking woods. Do you want to tell me the the distance of a golf is strictly mechanics and hip motion?
There are compotents to the golf swing that are related to the football throw.
Is Browning going to sling it like it like Ryan Leaf?
No, but he can improve his arm strength through weigth training and conditioning.
This is seriously one of the stupidest fucking topics that Browning cannot improve his game and his deep ball.
It doesn't take much science to figure out that you can improve ball velocity and distance through physical training.
If you want to say he has peaked so be it.
You can bitch about it for two more years then you can bitch that Sirmon is no pre snap genius.
A family member threw for 10,000 yards over a four period playing D-1 football. I can tell you physical conditioning was part of the progression of his career.
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This poast defines struggle bus.jecornel said:
Absolutely, but training your rotator cuff, shoulder, overall body strength and conditioning all correlate to improved arm strength and distance of throwing a football.salemcoog said:
Weight training in regards to better leg and core strength helps. But traditional upper body strength training sacrifices flexibility which is a huge component in generating velocity and distance.jecornel said:
You can't improve arm strength with weight training? What?Dennis_DeYoung said:Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:
1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.
We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.
Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.
His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.
So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great!
improving hand strength and forearm strength doesn't improve your ability to throw a football?
Nice troll job. You got me.
Clearly, you would make a terrible trainer.
Essentially you are saying Elway could throw the ball same in high school as he did in the NFL?
Guess who introduced strength training to golf? Tiger fucking woods. Do you want to tell me the the distance of a golf is strictly mechanics and hip motion?
There are compotents to the golf swing that are related to the football throw.
Is Browning going to sling it like it like Ryan Leaf?
No, but he can improve his arm strength through weigth training and conditioning.
This is seriously one of the stupidest fucking topics that Browning cannot improve his game and his deep ball.
It doesn't take much science to figure out that you can improve ball velocity and distance through physical training.
If you want to say he has peaked so be it.
You can bitch about it for two more years then you can bitch that Sirmon is no pre snap genius.
So, we are supposed to take your word for it as a dedicated observer or what has been known since 1983 in the A-PHY world? Hmmm. -
HUSKY PODCAST FIGHT!!!!!!
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Would like to push right up the middle of this:CheersWestDawg said:
Maybe he likes to bring heat from the edge and push up the middle as much as you.Passion said:
Mods - Tell this diseased labia to get her own avatar.oregonblitzkrieg said:I'm hearing he shit his britches against Bama.
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#ImWithHeroregonblitzkrieg said:
Would like to push right up the middle of this:CheersWestDawg said:
Maybe he likes to bring heat from the edge and push up the middle as much as you.Passion said:
Mods - Tell this diseased labia to get her own avatar.oregonblitzkrieg said:I'm hearing he shit his britches against Bama.
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Disagree.LoneStarDawg said:HUSKY PODCAST FIGHT!!!!!!
I love @jecornel - like a bar argument where people bet $100 on something stupid because they're drunk.
We don't want to tangle with the big kids. I'm just blathering on. It's not impotent to take it seriously. -
Impotence is something to take very seriously.Dennis_DeYoung said:
Disagree.LoneStarDawg said:HUSKY PODCAST FIGHT!!!!!!
I love @jecornel - like a bar argument where people bet $100 on something stupid because they're drunk.
We don't want to tangle with the big kids. I'm just blathering on. It's not impotent to take it seriously. -
Bubba Watson is one of the biggest hitters on tour and He's built like Joey Ramone. It's pretty clear your brief move to Friday Harbor didn't improve your content.jecornel said:
Absolutely, but training your rotator cuff, shoulder, overall body strength and conditioning all correlate to improved arm strength and distance of throwing a football.salemcoog said:
Weight training in regards to better leg and core strength helps. But traditional upper body strength training sacrifices flexibility which is a huge component in generating velocity and distance.jecornel said:
You can't improve arm strength with weight training? What?Dennis_DeYoung said:Jake sucked in big games. The problem is modern life has made humans so devoid of mental capacity that we cannot hold two ideas in our heads at one time:
1) Jake is pre-snap Jesus.
2) Jake chokes in any pressure situation.
We don't have to let anything define anything. Both those things are true.
Next year maybe he stops choking and maybe he doesn't, but being pre-snap Jesus is unlikely to go away.
His arm won't get any stronger (for those of you new here 'strength' in arms is a metaphor - you can't lift weights to improve it, it has to do with flexibility in ligaments) and he's not going to get any bigger.
So, he is what he is. Hopefully our team is just so good we never get in a close game and Jake will do great!
improving hand strength and forearm strength doesn't improve your ability to throw a football?
Nice troll job. You got me.
Clearly, you would make a terrible trainer.
Essentially you are saying Elway could throw the ball same in high school as he did in the NFL?
Guess who introduced strength training to golf? Tiger fucking woods. Do you want to tell me the the distance of a golf is strictly mechanics and hip motion?
There are compotents to the golf swing that are related to the football throw.
Is Browning going to sling it like it like Ryan Leaf?
No, but he can improve his arm strength through weigth training and conditioning.
This is seriously one of the stupidest fucking topics that Browning cannot improve his game and his deep ball.
It doesn't take much science to figure out that you can improve ball velocity and distance through physical training.
If you want to say he has peaked so be it.
You can bitch about it for two more years then you can bitch that Sirmon is no pre snap genius.
A family member threw for 10,000 yards over a four period playing D-1 football. I can tell you physical conditioning was part of the progression of his career. -
It's funny when the cuog pretends to know his ass from a hole in the ground.
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I hope Jake gets injured in the first 3 games.
