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Pop quiz: Since 2000 there have been 242 head coaching changes in the FBS.
Gladstone
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Of the ones from that 242 who won their conference, won 11 games, or reached a BCS bowl, how many of them needed more than 5 years?
(A) 0
(B) 1-2
(C) 3-5
(D) 6+
(A) 0
(B) 1-2
(C) 3-5
(D) 6+
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I'm going with zero.
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Probably b. There's been some shitty teams sneak into BCS games. Randy Edsall? Jim Grobe? Dunno.
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I will say 1.
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Pinkel @ Mizzou, Mangino, Gundy, Spurrier @ SC, leach, schiano, Ault v2... Tubberville at auburn
They are the ones that I could think of off the top of my head. Interesting thing is, I would be luke warm on most of these or an emphatic NO to coach any team I am a fan of.
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Coaches who were fired do not count.
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If they were fired for performance I could understand. If they are fired because Craig James is a pussy I am not sure I understand.
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Answer: D
Mike Leach.
Steve Spurrier.
Gary Pinkel.
Greg Schiano.
Chris Ault.
Jim Grobe.
Randy Edsall.
That is 2.89% of the 242 were successful only after five years. Chew on that, Sark fans. Let's look closer:
-- Leach's best bowl was the Cotton Bowl. He lost. Borderline tier 1 coach, probably tier 2.
-- Spurrier was an already established Tier 1 coach from his days at Florida (122-27, including a national championship). Giving him more time™ made sense in this context. Legit tier 1 coach.
-- Pinkel's conference record is 53-49, with his apex being a Cotton Bowl victory. Not overly impressive. Tier 2 coach at best.
-- Schiano is a shit .500 coach who lucked into one BCS bowl loss by virtue of his shit conference. Mediocre coach.
-- Ault was a pretty good coach, ultimately going 233-109, leading his team into the FBS successfully, and inventing the Pistol Formation. His best bowl was the Hawaii Bowl though. Legit tier 1.
-- Jim Grobe won a shit conference, is 42-60 in said shit conference. Mediocre coach at best.
-- Randy Edsall was 22-26 in conference at UCONN (Big East LOL), is 4-16 currently at Maryland. Shit coach.
~ Conclusion ~
So of the 7 (2.89%) who satisfy my criteria, only 2 or 3 would be considered top of the line coaches: Spurrier (everyone knew he was great), Leach (feasted on shit teams but won a shitload of games), and Chris Ault.
Cliff notes: doogs lied, programs died.
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How many out of the 242 won their conference, had 11 wins or made a bcs bowl?
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I'm not sure I follow the question.
So only 7 or the 242 met the criteria, and all of those needed 6+ years?
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I'm sure you don't follow the question.alumni94 said:I'm not sure I follow the question.
So only 7 or the 242 met the criteria, and all of those needed 6+ years?
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Sorry for the slow reply, was backed up at work. I changed source to sports-reference.com (a wonderful site), and fixed some errors from my prior post.
OK so -- since the year 2000:HeretoBeatmyChest said:How many out of the 242 won their conference, had 11 wins or made a bcs bowl?
7 out of what?
80 of the 242 new D1 coaching hires won their conference, had 11 wins, or made a BCS bowl. 80! Of the 80, only 9 needed more than five years to accomplish this. 11%. Here's the list. Note that a star (*) denotes a coach who needed more than five years to satisfy the criteria.
1. Chris Ault V2
2. Gary Andersen
3. Tom Amstutz
4. Bill Blankenship
5. David Bailiff
6. Bret Bielema
7. JD Brookhart
8. Gregg Brandon
9. Art Briles
10. Larry Blakeney
11. Jack Bicknell Jr
12. Gene Chizik
13. Mario Cristobal
14. Pete Carroll
15. Larry Coker
16. Tim DeRuyter
17. Dave Doeren
18. Sonny Dykes
19. Mark Dantonio
20. Ralph Friedgen
21. Larry Fedora
22. Jimbo Fisher
23. Hugh Freeze
24. Chan Gailey
25. Jim Grobe*
26. Mike Gundy*
27. Todd Graham
28. Al Golden
29. Dan Hawkins
30. Brady Hoke*
31. Skip Holtz
32. Jim Harbaugh
33. Michael Haywood
34. Dana Holgersen
35. Darrell Hazell
36. Paul Johnson
37. June Jones
38. Butch Jones
39. Jeff Jagodzinski
40. Steve Kragthorpe
41. Brian Kelly
42. Jerry Kill
43. Chip Kelly
44. Mike Leach*
45. Les Miles
46. Urban Meyer
47. Mark Mangino*
48. Bronco Mendenhall
49. Greg McMackin
50. Ruffin McNeill
51. Doug Marrone
52. Mike MacIntyre
53. Will Muschamp
54. Gus Malzahn
55. Gary Nord
56. Gary Patterson
57. Bobby Petrino
58. Gary Pinkel*
59. Bo Pelini
60. Chris Petersen
61. Rich Rodriguez
62. Mark Richt
63. Greg Schiano*
64. Frank Solich
65. Bill Snyder V2
66. Nick Saban
67. Steve Spurrier*
68. Charlie Strong
69. Rick Stockstill
70. Dabo Swinney
71. Kevin Sumlin
72. Bill Stewart
73. Mike Sherman
74. David Shaw
75. Jim Tressel
76. Jeff Tedford
77. Kyle Whittingham
78. Charlie Weis
79. Dave Wannstedt*
80. Ron Zook
Again, Spurrier is the only *'d coach who I'd argue is top tier. Maybe Gundy. Pinkel has a very low ceiling. Mangino and Wannstedt were fired for being terrible.
tl;dr
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Fixed.Gladstone said:Sorry for the slow reply, was backed up at work. I changed source to sports-reference.com (a wonderful site), and fixed some errors from my prior post.
OK so -- since the year 2000:HeretoBeatmyChest said:How many out of the 242 won their conference, had 11 wins or made a bcs bowl?
7 out of what?
80 of the 242 new D1 coaching hires won their conference, had 11 wins, or made a BCS bowl. 80! Of the 80, only 9 needed more than five years to accomplish this. 11%. Here's the list. Note that a star (*) denotes a coach who needed more than five years to satisfy the criteria.
1. Chris Ault V2
2. Gary Andersen
3. Tom Amstutz
4. Bill Blankenship
5. David Bailiff
6. Bret Bielema
7. JD Brookhart
8. Gregg Brandon
9. Art Briles
10. Larry Blakeney
11. Jack Bicknell Jr
12. Gene Chizik
13. Mario Cristobal
14. Pete Carroll
15. Larry Coker
16. Tim DeRuyter
17. Dave Doeren
18. Sonny Dykes
19. Mark Dantonio
20. Ralph Friedgen
21. Larry Fedora
22. Jimbo Fisher
23. Hugh Freeze
24. Chan Gailey
25. Jim Grobe*
26. Mike Gundy*
27. Todd Graham
28. Al Golden
29. Dan Hawkins
30. Brady Hoke*
31. Skip Holtz
32. Jim Harbaugh
33. Michael Haywood
34. Dana Holgersen
35. Darrell Hazell
36. Paul Johnson
37. June Jones
38. Butch Jones
39. Jeff Jagodzinski
40. Steve Kragthorpe
41. Brian Kelly
42. Jerry Kill
43. Chip Kelly
44. Mike Leach*
45. Les Miles
46. Urban Meyer
47. Mark Mangino*
48. Bronco Mendenhall
49. Greg McMackin
50. Ruffin McNeill
51. Doug Marrone
52. Mike MacIntyre
53. Will Muschamp
54. Gus Malzahn
55. Gary Nord
56. Gary Patterson
57. Bobby Petrino
58. Gary Pinkel*
59. Bo Pelini
60. Chris Petersen
61. Rich Rodriguez
62. Mark Richt
63. Greg Schiano*
64. Frank Solich
65. Bill Snyder V2
66. Nick Saban
67. Steve Spurrier*
68. Charlie Strong
69. Rick Stockstill
70. Dabo Swinney
71. Kevin Sumlin
72. Bill Stewart
73. Mike Sherman
74. David Shaw
75. Jim Tressel
76. Jeff Tedford
77. Kyle Whittingham
78. Charlie Weis
79. Dave Wannstedt*
80. Ron Zook
Again, Spurrier is the only *'d coach who I'd argue is top tier. Maybe Gundy. Pinkel has a very low ceiling. Mangino and Wannstache were fired for being terrible.
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I'm going to exclude four names because the guy before than did basically everything for them to win instantly. Chris Peterson, Brett Bielema, Larry Cooker, and Mark Helfrich. Held hasn't technically met the criteria, but we all know he's going to this year.
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Some of those did not meet the criteria like Zook and Pelini. Saban did it twice.
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Zook made the BCS in year 3, so he's good
pelini made the CCG 3 times but got plungered each time, oops. so he was 1 game off either a BCS or conference championship 3 separate times. he won his division 4 times though.
i'll alter the criteria to include winning conference division as a minimum. still way too much of a leap for SSWS
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If you do that then tell us what that 80 goes to....maybe 90?Gladstone said:Zook made the BCS in year 3, so he's good
pelini made the CCG 3 times but got plungered each time, oops. so he was 1 game off either a BCS or conference championship 3 separate times. he won his division 4 times though.
i'll alter the criteria to include winning conference division as a minimum. still way too much of a leap for SSWS
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Curious, of those 80 coaches which one took over a team with a winning record, which had a losing record? I would like to measure the coaches that took over a crap team and then made it something. Those coaches should be the list of coaches UW should look at. If that list is still be big, filter out the teams that have strong football traditions. If a coach can take a bad team at a non-football school and make them winners….
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This info is all great, but we already know what kind of coach Sark is.
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I think the goal is to help figure out who should/could be the new coach.
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I'd rather find a guy who can take a mediocre team and make them great. We already have the guy to go from crap to average.alumni94 said:Curious, of those 80 coaches which one took over a team with a winning record, which had a losing record? I would like to measure the coaches that took over a crap team and then made it something. Those coaches should be the list of coaches UW should look at. If that list is still be big, filter out the teams that have strong football traditions. If a coach can take a bad team at a non-football school and make them winners….
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I want a guy that gets more and then does more with it
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Abundance
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Do we have final numbers on this? I want to email the stats to a few people (people who are actually intelligent and rely on numbers and figures to make real-world life decisions rather than hoping for the best and seeing what happens).
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Pretty sure there's something in the NCAA rule book that prevents UW from doing this although other teams are allowed to do so.RaceBannon said:I want a guy that gets more and then does more with it
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