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2009 new coaches - how Sark compares
PolkHigh33
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I am not sure if it's been discussed anywhere, but I was curious how Sark has compared to the other new coaches (new to their team, not first coaching stint). Sark has the 9th highest winning percentage of the 21 coaches. Arguments could be made either way: It should be higher (it should), or the other coaches inherited shittier situations with less talent. Here's the info:
TEAM COACH 2009 2010 2011 2012 Total
Army Rich Ellerson 5-7 7-6 3-9 2-10 17-31 .354
Auburn Gene Chizik 8-5 14-0 8-5 3-9 33-19 .635 2010 National Champs*, fired
Ball State Stan Parrish 2-10 4-8 6-18 .250 Fired
Boston College Frank Spaziani 8-5 7-6 4-8 2-10 22-29 .431 Fired
Bowling Green Dave Clawson 7-6 2-10 5-7 8-5 22-28 .444
Clemson Dabo Swinney 9-5 6-7 10-4 11-2 36-18 .667
Eastern Michigan Ron English 0-12 2-10 6-6 2-10 10-38 .208
Iowa State Paul Rhoads 7-6 5-7 6-7 6-7 24-27 .471
Kansas State Bill Snyder 6-6 7-6 10-3 11-2 34-21 .618
Miami (O.) Michael Haywood 1-11 9-4 10-15 .400 Moved to Pitt
Mississippi State Dan Mullen 5-7 9-4 7-6 8-5 29-22 .567
New Mexico Mike Locksley 1-11 1-11 0-4 2-26 .071 Fired in season
New Mexico St DeWayne Walker 3-10 2-10 4-9 1-11 10-40 .200 "quit"
Oregon Chip Kelly 10-3 12-1 12-2 12-1 46-7 .870 Phi Eagles coach
Purdue Danny Hope 5-7 4-8 7-6 6-6 22-27 .449 fired
San Diego State Brady Hoke 4-8 9-4 13-12 .520 went to Michigan
Syracuse Doug Marrone 4-8 8-5 5-7 8-5 25-25 .500 HC for Buffalo Bills
Toledo Tim Beckman 5-7 8-5 8-4 21-16 .568 left for Illinois
Utah State Gary Andersen 4-8 4-8 7-6 11-2 26-24 .542 HC at Wisconsin
Washington Steve Sarkisian 5-7 7-6 7-6 7-6 26-25 .510
Wyoming Dave Christensen 7-6 3-9 8-5 4-7 22-27 .449
TEAM COACH 2009 2010 2011 2012 Total
Army Rich Ellerson 5-7 7-6 3-9 2-10 17-31 .354
Auburn Gene Chizik 8-5 14-0 8-5 3-9 33-19 .635 2010 National Champs*, fired
Ball State Stan Parrish 2-10 4-8 6-18 .250 Fired
Boston College Frank Spaziani 8-5 7-6 4-8 2-10 22-29 .431 Fired
Bowling Green Dave Clawson 7-6 2-10 5-7 8-5 22-28 .444
Clemson Dabo Swinney 9-5 6-7 10-4 11-2 36-18 .667
Eastern Michigan Ron English 0-12 2-10 6-6 2-10 10-38 .208
Iowa State Paul Rhoads 7-6 5-7 6-7 6-7 24-27 .471
Kansas State Bill Snyder 6-6 7-6 10-3 11-2 34-21 .618
Miami (O.) Michael Haywood 1-11 9-4 10-15 .400 Moved to Pitt
Mississippi State Dan Mullen 5-7 9-4 7-6 8-5 29-22 .567
New Mexico Mike Locksley 1-11 1-11 0-4 2-26 .071 Fired in season
New Mexico St DeWayne Walker 3-10 2-10 4-9 1-11 10-40 .200 "quit"
Oregon Chip Kelly 10-3 12-1 12-2 12-1 46-7 .870 Phi Eagles coach
Purdue Danny Hope 5-7 4-8 7-6 6-6 22-27 .449 fired
San Diego State Brady Hoke 4-8 9-4 13-12 .520 went to Michigan
Syracuse Doug Marrone 4-8 8-5 5-7 8-5 25-25 .500 HC for Buffalo Bills
Toledo Tim Beckman 5-7 8-5 8-4 21-16 .568 left for Illinois
Utah State Gary Andersen 4-8 4-8 7-6 11-2 26-24 .542 HC at Wisconsin
Washington Steve Sarkisian 5-7 7-6 7-6 7-6 26-25 .510
Wyoming Dave Christensen 7-6 3-9 8-5 4-7 22-27 .449
Comments
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Well, that pasted a whole hell of a lot worse than it was when I wrote it.
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Bill Snyder/Kansas St is what I would have expected from Sark, Mora or whomever we hired
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2 things stick out to me in this poast:
1. There weren't a lot of quality coaches hired in 2009. That might be true for every year of new coaches but Sark at .510 is 9th best? wow.
2. The .510 next to Sark's name couldn't scream mediocrity any louder. Maybe 7 Win Steve busts out a 10 or 11 win season and gets UW to the PAC 12 championship game and even the Rose Bowl. I wouldn't bet on it but it could happen. -
I may be in the minority, but I think Sark has been a good transition coach. It's pretty evident to me that he is never going to be any better than average, but he has done some good things. He initially borught energy back, the talent has improved (OL and DL still need a lot of work) and he has brought the program back to a point where good coaches would be interested in coming here.
With the new stadium and all the money being thrown around, there is no reason we cannot get a good coach in here to replace Sark. Now we just need Woody to grow some balls after we go 7-6 again this year. We will not reach the next level under Sark. -
Why did we need a transitional coach? Do real football schools do that?
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UW needs President Michael Young to prioritize the necessary order of change.
1. Woodward (not a real AD)
2. Sark (not a real Pac-12 HC)
3. Romar (unfortunately, if another NIT or worse season happens in 2013-14)
UW is just spinning its wheels until Woodward is axed. -
Woody hired Lindsay Meggs to be UW's baseball coach in July of 2009...and here is UW's conference records since (keep in mind it's been an 11-team conference since 2012 - Colorado doesn't field a team):
2010: 7-17 (9th)
2011: 6-21 (10th)
2012: 13-17 (7th)
After the 2012 season, Woody extended Meggs through the 2018 season.
2013: So far, 3-9 (11th)
If Pool Boy can't fire this fuckwad, you think he'll ever fire a football coach that he hired that goes 7-6 every year? -
Fair point, and not to sound like Kim, but quality coaches were not exactly beating down the door to come here. Mora obviously should have been the choice after the 2007 season, but we all know about that bullshit.RaceBannon said:Why did we need a transitional coach? Do real football schools do that?
I am glad we hired Sark instead of Pat Hill, Leach, or some other coaching "journeyman" we could have gotten. Let me be clear, I don't like Sark at all. I think almost everything about him is fraudulent and he is an average (at best) coach. However, I do think he has done enough to put the pieces in place for the program to have success, albeit without him as head coach.
Real football schools make mistakes hiring guys all the time. Florida hired Ron Zook, Michigan hired Rich Rod, Alabama hired Mike Price and Shula, USC hired Kiffin, etc. No school has sustained success without at least a very good coach, even the elite schools. Sometimes you have to hire and fire until you find the right guy.
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The old "no one else would take the job" line.
It's no ones fault, Sark was the best that would take the job, woody did a hell of a job just to get him, sark gets it....
Yes, you do sound like Kim. -
You're an idiot. I don't think "no one else would take the job", but the top guys seemed to not want the job. Good coaches do not normally leave their cush jobs for a team that went 0-12. I would love for you to show me some examples where they do. Sark was not the first choice, but the choice after other coaches rebuffed UW's offer. I am not sure if Sark is the best we could have done (probably not), but I will take a young coordinator with potential over a shitty coach like Pat Hill, Tom O'Brien, etc. It was a risk that has not entirely worked out, but it has not been the disaster some of you make it out to be.MikeDamone said:The old "no one else would take the job" line.
It's no ones fault, Sark was the best that would take the job, woody did a hell of a job just to get him, sark gets it....
Yes, you do sound like Kim.
Could we not attract a better coach now then in 2008? There's more money, a new stadium, and while the program is not in great shape, it is in much better shape than it was after the 2008 season. All we need is the right coach, and I think we are much more capable of finding him now then we were in 2008.
