OFFICIAL So fucking GoT thread (spoilers inside)
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The "peaceful little children of the forest" were righteously slaughtered by the monsters they created. They did not add depth to the Seven Kingdoms lineup. And Bran better get a new Direwolf quick.
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Cougzz said:
The "peaceful little children of the forest" were righteously slaughtered by the monsters they created. They did not add depth to the Seven Kingdoms lineup. And Bran better die quick.
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I find it hard to believe that the little elf concubines who were here before the first man, created the white walkers, and hold all the power of the GOT universe couldn't foresee the evil king invading his vision and attacking their stronghold.
It's also not exactly clear that they were completely eliminated. There could still be a little pocket of them surviving. Similar to Sway escaping the white man's attempt to eradicate his people, one of those magic elves could be working at a Westeros Jiffy Lube undercover.
Not sure how i feel about "HOLD THE DOOR". I was getting a little weary when flashback ned "heard" Bran because it was opening the door to time travel, multiple realities etc. The fact that Hodor was Hodor before he was told to Hold the door means Bran already told him to do that, but he hadn't yet, and I hate when narratives fuck with time and space because usually it turns into a clusterfuck a la LOST and every other great premise ruined by time travel butterfly effect bullshit. -
Listen buttuckbaabs. Bruce Snyder, one of best Pac coaches of all time started15 freshman his 2nd year, including true freshman Jake plummer. The similarities between ASU and UW are astonishingly similar. 6-8 all pac10 LT juan rouque , member him? Of course not, but mirror image to trey adams.TierbsHsotBoobs said:Cougzz said:The "peaceful little children of the forest" were righteously slaughtered by the monsters they created. They did not add depth to the Seven Kingdoms lineup. And Bran better die quick.
His 5th year, he came within a play of the national title. It takes 4-5years to build a program, Bruce Snyder did it twice. Get that through your fucking skull. Cant build a program from scratch in 3 years. It DOESNT happen.
You show daily, what an ill informed loon you are baabs. Its embarrassing to read.
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Now that is a great set of rape eyes.Gladstone said:
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This pretty much sums up the Millennials.Cougzz said:The "peaceful little children of the forest" were righteously slaughtered by the monsters they created. They did not add depth to the Seven Kingdoms lineup. And Bran better get a new Direwolf quick.
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????PurpleThrobber said:
This pretty much sums up the Millennials.Cougzz said:The "peaceful little children of the forest" were righteously slaughtered by the monsters they created. They did not add depth to the Seven Kingdoms lineup. And Bran better get a new Direwolf quick.
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I actually don't think this is the case, we could nerd out on this like a good GoT nerd....Doogles said:I find it hard to believe that the little elf concubines who were here before the first man, created the white walkers, and hold all the power of the GOT universe couldn't foresee the evil king invading his vision and attacking their stronghold.
It's also not exactly clear that they were completely eliminated. There could still be a little pocket of them surviving. Similar to Sway escaping the white man's attempt to eradicate his people, one of those magic elves could be working at a Westeros Jiffy Lube undercover.
Not sure how i feel about "HOLD THE DOOR". I was getting a little weary when flashback ned "heard" Bran because it was opening the door to time travel, multiple realities etc. The fact that Hodor was Hodor before he was told to Hold the door means Bran already told him to do that, but he hadn't yet, and I hate when narratives fuck with time and space because usually it turns into a clusterfuck a la LOST and every other great premise ruined by time travel butterfly effect bullshit.
Bran warged into Hodor in the past while he was there with him before Hodor was Hodor.
Pre-Hodor-Hodor knew something was going on since Bran was warged into him and could see what was happening to Old Hodor, thus why he lost his mind and became Hodor because he saw his death. Basically Hodor knew what was coming in the cave because he had already seen it 30-40 years ago.
I also think Bloodraven took Bran to that dream so he could warg into Hodor and also so that when Bloodraven was killed he could transfer his power and shit to Bran. But that's entirely different. -
It's not time travel you nerds. Time isn't linear it is a circle and shit. So Bran didn't travel into the past because Bran exists everywhere at once.
There is no past, present, or future, only Brandon Stark of Winterfell. -
I get that's the narrative, but it's still sci-fi bullshit. He's everywhere and nowhere and his dead father can hear him whisper in the wind before he was a gleam in Catlyn's eye... get the fuck out with that bullshit.PurpleReign said:It's not time travel you nerds. Time isn't linear it is a circle and shit. So Bran didn't travel into the past because Bran exists everywhere at once.
There is no past, present, or future, only Brandon Stark of Winterfell. -
You know this is fiction, right?Doogles said:
I get that's the narrative, but it's still sci-fi bullshit. He's everywhere and nowhere and his dead father can hear him whisper in the wind before he was a gleam in Catlyn's eye... get the fuck out with that bullshit.PurpleReign said:It's not time travel you nerds. Time isn't linear it is a circle and shit. So Bran didn't travel into the past because Bran exists everywhere at once.
There is no past, present, or future, only Brandon Stark of Winterfell. -
Technically it's Fantasy, Dragons and whatnot.ThomasFremont said:
You know this is fiction, right?Doogles said:
I get that's the narrative, but it's still sci-fi bullshit. He's everywhere and nowhere and his dead father can hear him whisper in the wind before he was a gleam in Catlyn's eye... get the fuck out with that bullshit.PurpleReign said:It's not time travel you nerds. Time isn't linear it is a circle and shit. So Bran didn't travel into the past because Bran exists everywhere at once.
There is no past, present, or future, only Brandon Stark of Winterfell. -
Ah fantasy, an even lower threshold for reality.Doogles said:
Technically it's Fantasy, Dragons and whatnot.ThomasFremont said:
You know this is fiction, right?Doogles said:
I get that's the narrative, but it's still sci-fi bullshit. He's everywhere and nowhere and his dead father can hear him whisper in the wind before he was a gleam in Catlyn's eye... get the fuck out with that bullshit.PurpleReign said:It's not time travel you nerds. Time isn't linear it is a circle and shit. So Bran didn't travel into the past because Bran exists everywhere at once.
There is no past, present, or future, only Brandon Stark of Winterfell.
But it could be sci-fi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8kwZ_7M3o0 -
You just hurt my brain.CokeGreaterThanPepsi said:
I actually don't think this is the case, we could nerd out on this like a good GoT nerd....Doogles said:I find it hard to believe that the little elf concubines who were here before the first man, created the white walkers, and hold all the power of the GOT universe couldn't foresee the evil king invading his vision and attacking their stronghold.
It's also not exactly clear that they were completely eliminated. There could still be a little pocket of them surviving. Similar to Sway escaping the white man's attempt to eradicate his people, one of those magic elves could be working at a Westeros Jiffy Lube undercover.
Not sure how i feel about "HOLD THE DOOR". I was getting a little weary when flashback ned "heard" Bran because it was opening the door to time travel, multiple realities etc. The fact that Hodor was Hodor before he was told to Hold the door means Bran already told him to do that, but he hadn't yet, and I hate when narratives fuck with time and space because usually it turns into a clusterfuck a la LOST and every other great premise ruined by time travel butterfly effect bullshit.
Bran warged into Hodor in the past while he was there with him before Hodor was Hodor.
Pre-Hodor-Hodor knew something was going on since Bran was warged into him and could see what was happening to Old Hodor, thus why he lost his mind and became Hodor because he saw his death. Basically Hodor knew what was coming in the cave because he had already seen it 30-40 years ago.
I also think Bloodraven took Bran to that dream so he could warg into Hodor and also so that when Bloodraven was killed he could transfer his power and shit to Bran. But that's entirely different. -
If you can't see time travel plot lines fuck up every good story with promise, I can't help you. I wouldn't mind a story that followed from the first breach of time/space, but when a key character gets a clue from an event that hasn't happened yet and it affects the main narrative it's bothersome and cheap.ThomasFremont said:
Ah fantasy, an even lower threshold for reality.Doogles said:
Technically it's Fantasy, Dragons and whatnot.ThomasFremont said:
You know this is fiction, right?Doogles said:
I get that's the narrative, but it's still sci-fi bullshit. He's everywhere and nowhere and his dead father can hear him whisper in the wind before he was a gleam in Catlyn's eye... get the fuck out with that bullshit.PurpleReign said:It's not time travel you nerds. Time isn't linear it is a circle and shit. So Bran didn't travel into the past because Bran exists everywhere at once.
There is no past, present, or future, only Brandon Stark of Winterfell.
But it could be sci-fi:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8kwZ_7M3o0
HODOR = HOLD THE DOOR felt like some season 5 LOST bullshit. What do the numbers mean? Oh it was all cheap coincidence. Cool. Next...
I still love the books/show, but the potential to fuck up this epic story is trending very high between HBO + R.R's inevitable heart attack. -
I do worry that RR dies before completing this. And then all we have are notes and the idiots at HBOs version. To be fair, they are doing a much better job with this season than that bullshit last year.Doogles said:
If you can't see time travel plot lines fuck up every good story with promise, I can't help you. I wouldn't mind a story that followed from the first breach of time/space, but when a key character gets a clue from an event that hasn't happened yet and it affects the main narrative it's bothersome and cheap.ThomasFremont said:
Ah fantasy, an even lower threshold for reality.Doogles said:
Technically it's Fantasy, Dragons and whatnot.ThomasFremont said:
You know this is fiction, right?Doogles said:
I get that's the narrative, but it's still sci-fi bullshit. He's everywhere and nowhere and his dead father can hear him whisper in the wind before he was a gleam in Catlyn's eye... get the fuck out with that bullshit.PurpleReign said:It's not time travel you nerds. Time isn't linear it is a circle and shit. So Bran didn't travel into the past because Bran exists everywhere at once.
There is no past, present, or future, only Brandon Stark of Winterfell.
But it could be sci-fi:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8kwZ_7M3o0
HODOR = HOLD THE DOOR felt like some season 5 LOST bullshit. What do the numbers mean? Oh it was all cheap coincidence. Cool. Next...
I still love the books/show, but the potential to fuck up this epic story is trending very high between HBO + R.R's inevitable heart attack. -
But it doesn't really affect the narrative. It's just a cool explanation for how Hodor became Hodor and how Bran escapes that situation.Doogles said:
If you can't see time travel plot lines fuck up every good story with promise, I can't help you. I wouldn't mind a story that followed from the first breach of time/space, but when a key character gets a clue from an event that hasn't happened yet and it affects the main narrative it's bothersome and cheap.ThomasFremont said:
Ah fantasy, an even lower threshold for reality.Doogles said:
Technically it's Fantasy, Dragons and whatnot.ThomasFremont said:
You know this is fiction, right?Doogles said:
I get that's the narrative, but it's still sci-fi bullshit. He's everywhere and nowhere and his dead father can hear him whisper in the wind before he was a gleam in Catlyn's eye... get the fuck out with that bullshit.PurpleReign said:It's not time travel you nerds. Time isn't linear it is a circle and shit. So Bran didn't travel into the past because Bran exists everywhere at once.
There is no past, present, or future, only Brandon Stark of Winterfell.
But it could be sci-fi:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8kwZ_7M3o0
HODOR = HOLD THE DOOR felt like some season 5 LOST bullshit. What do the numbers mean? Oh it was all cheap coincidence. Cool. Next...
I still love the books/show, but the potential to fuck up this epic story is trending very high between HBO + R.R's inevitable heart attack.
It's not like Bran went back in time and changed Joffrey into a good guy and undid his dead family members, and got his legs back. -
So these wards that the Children put on their little tree hut before Bran the useless fucked up....I am thinking those are the same wards they talk about in the books on why the dude who rides the big dead elk (can't recall his name and never seen him on the show) can't pass the Wall. Anyway, I am betting the Wall has magic (why the fuck else have the White Walkers been just hanging out north of it for years) wards on it as well, and if Bran escapes and makes it south of the Wall, he will cancel the wards on it as well, allowing the Walkers south to rape everything like a Saturday night in Autzens parking lot.
Sweet. Way to fuck the entire world away Bran you useless tit. -
That was unexpectedly chinsightful Swaye. A major flaw of mine is the need to compartmentalize things, and not having a completed source of material is really fucking with my ability to analyze what is what.Swaye said:So these wards that the Children put on their little tree hut before Bran the useless fucked up....I am thinking those are the same wards they talk about in the books on why the dude who rides the big dead elk (can't recall his name and never seen him on the show) can't pass the Wall. Anyway, I am betting the Wall has magic (why the fuck else have the White Walkers been just hanging out north of it for years) wards on it as well, and if Bran escapes and makes it south of the Wall, he will cancel the wards on it as well, allowing the Walkers south to rape everything like a Saturday night in Autzens parking lot.
Sweet. Way to fuck the entire world away Bran you useless tit.
At this point, I treat the show like a bad trip. It's happening, there is nothing I can do about it, enjoy the good, reject the bad, ride it out until you come to your senses and treat the book like reality. -
What if Arya gets Jaqen H'ghar's old mission to kill Bloodraven (except now it's Bran) in order to stop the WWs from getting over the wall?Swaye said:So these wards that the Children put on their little tree hut before Bran the useless fucked up....I am thinking those are the same wards they talk about in the books on why the dude who rides the big dead elk (can't recall his name and never seen him on the show) can't pass the Wall. Anyway, I am betting the Wall has magic (why the fuck else have the White Walkers been just hanging out north of it for years) wards on it as well, and if Bran escapes and makes it south of the Wall, he will cancel the wards on it as well, allowing the Walkers south to rape everything like a Saturday night in Autzens parking lot.
Sweet. Way to fuck the entire world away Bran you useless tit. -
Then the faceless men would suffer from an extreme case of negligence. Why put an unproven rookie against a huge conflict of interest scenario with the highest stakes imaginable? If that job needed to get done, Jagen would be there slicing Bran in half.ThomasFremont said:
What if Arya gets Jaqen H'ghar's old mission to kill Bloodraven (except now it's Bran) in order to stop the WWs from getting over the wall?Swaye said:So these wards that the Children put on their little tree hut before Bran the useless fucked up....I am thinking those are the same wards they talk about in the books on why the dude who rides the big dead elk (can't recall his name and never seen him on the show) can't pass the Wall. Anyway, I am betting the Wall has magic (why the fuck else have the White Walkers been just hanging out north of it for years) wards on it as well, and if Bran escapes and makes it south of the Wall, he will cancel the wards on it as well, allowing the Walkers south to rape everything like a Saturday night in Autzens parking lot.
Sweet. Way to fuck the entire world away Bran you useless tit.
That would be a great dramatic twist though. No way Aria stays true to the faceless men in that scenario. She's one of my favorite characters. As a Stark fanboy, I know this series is not going to end well for me. -
I think that depends on a few things...is Arya truly no one? Or has she kept her Arya identity hidden and just learned how to fool the other Faceless Men?Doogles said:
Then the faceless men would suffer from an extreme case of negligence. Why put an unproven rookie against a huge conflict of interest scenario with the highest stakes imaginable? If that job needed to get done, Jagen would be there slicing Bran in half.ThomasFremont said:
What if Arya gets Jaqen H'ghar's old mission to kill Bloodraven (except now it's Bran) in order to stop the WWs from getting over the wall?Swaye said:So these wards that the Children put on their little tree hut before Bran the useless fucked up....I am thinking those are the same wards they talk about in the books on why the dude who rides the big dead elk (can't recall his name and never seen him on the show) can't pass the Wall. Anyway, I am betting the Wall has magic (why the fuck else have the White Walkers been just hanging out north of it for years) wards on it as well, and if Bran escapes and makes it south of the Wall, he will cancel the wards on it as well, allowing the Walkers south to rape everything like a Saturday night in Autzens parking lot.
Sweet. Way to fuck the entire world away Bran you useless tit.
That would be a great dramatic twist though. No way Aria stays true to the faceless men in that scenario. She's one of my favorite characters. As a Stark fanboy, I know this series is not going to end well for me.
And if she IS no one (no longer Arya at all), wouldn't she be totally devoted to the mission/Many Faced God? If anything, her Arya face would grant her access to Bran in order to kill him easier than Jaqen or the Waif. -
I get what your saying, but the faceless men have already proven they have access to her face regardless. If they needed her appearance to fulfill the mission, they would just take it. In the book it's more ambiguous, but the show spoiled it when she hides needle in the rocks. She's clearly a Stark at heart.ThomasFremont said:
I think that depends on a few things...is Arya truly no one? Or has she kept her Arya identity hidden and just learned how to fool the other Faceless Men?Doogles said:
Then the faceless men would suffer from an extreme case of negligence. Why put an unproven rookie against a huge conflict of interest scenario with the highest stakes imaginable? If that job needed to get done, Jagen would be there slicing Bran in half.ThomasFremont said:
What if Arya gets Jaqen H'ghar's old mission to kill Bloodraven (except now it's Bran) in order to stop the WWs from getting over the wall?Swaye said:So these wards that the Children put on their little tree hut before Bran the useless fucked up....I am thinking those are the same wards they talk about in the books on why the dude who rides the big dead elk (can't recall his name and never seen him on the show) can't pass the Wall. Anyway, I am betting the Wall has magic (why the fuck else have the White Walkers been just hanging out north of it for years) wards on it as well, and if Bran escapes and makes it south of the Wall, he will cancel the wards on it as well, allowing the Walkers south to rape everything like a Saturday night in Autzens parking lot.
Sweet. Way to fuck the entire world away Bran you useless tit.
That would be a great dramatic twist though. No way Aria stays true to the faceless men in that scenario. She's one of my favorite characters. As a Stark fanboy, I know this series is not going to end well for me.
And if she IS no one (no longer Arya at all), wouldn't she be totally devoted to the mission/Many Faced God? If anything, her Arya face would grant her access to Bran in order to kill him easier than Jaqen or the Waif. -
I hope so. But I also hope it is a little more complicated than that she just got all the training and fooled Jaqen the whole time to do it.Doogles said:
I get what your saying, but the faceless men have already proven they have access to her face regardless. If they needed her appearance to fulfill the mission, they would just take it. In the book it's more ambiguous, but the show spoiled it when she hides needle in the rocks. She's clearly a Stark at heart.ThomasFremont said:
I think that depends on a few things...is Arya truly no one? Or has she kept her Arya identity hidden and just learned how to fool the other Faceless Men?Doogles said:
Then the faceless men would suffer from an extreme case of negligence. Why put an unproven rookie against a huge conflict of interest scenario with the highest stakes imaginable? If that job needed to get done, Jagen would be there slicing Bran in half.ThomasFremont said:
What if Arya gets Jaqen H'ghar's old mission to kill Bloodraven (except now it's Bran) in order to stop the WWs from getting over the wall?Swaye said:So these wards that the Children put on their little tree hut before Bran the useless fucked up....I am thinking those are the same wards they talk about in the books on why the dude who rides the big dead elk (can't recall his name and never seen him on the show) can't pass the Wall. Anyway, I am betting the Wall has magic (why the fuck else have the White Walkers been just hanging out north of it for years) wards on it as well, and if Bran escapes and makes it south of the Wall, he will cancel the wards on it as well, allowing the Walkers south to rape everything like a Saturday night in Autzens parking lot.
Sweet. Way to fuck the entire world away Bran you useless tit.
That would be a great dramatic twist though. No way Aria stays true to the faceless men in that scenario. She's one of my favorite characters. As a Stark fanboy, I know this series is not going to end well for me.
And if she IS no one (no longer Arya at all), wouldn't she be totally devoted to the mission/Many Faced God? If anything, her Arya face would grant her access to Bran in order to kill him easier than Jaqen or the Waif. -
Then he fucked up and stopped recruiting.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Listen buttuckbaabs. Bruce Snyder, one of best Pac coaches of all time started15 freshman his 2nd year, including true freshman Jake plummer. The similarities between ASU and UW are astonishingly similar. 6-8 all pac10 LT juan rouque , member him? Of course not, but mirror image to trey adams.TierbsHsotBoobs said:Cougzz said:The "peaceful little children of the forest" were righteously slaughtered by the monsters they created. They did not add depth to the Seven Kingdoms lineup. And Bran better die quick.
His 5th year, he came within a play of the national title. It takes 4-5years to build a program, Bruce Snyder did it twice. Get that through your fucking skull. Cant build a program from scratch in 3 years. It DOESNT happen.
You show daily, what an ill informed loon you are baabs. Its embarrassing to read. -
Am I the only one who hates the Urine Greyjoy casting choice? The Crow's Eye should be an old pirate (I was hoping this would be Ian McShane's role.) Why the hell does Balon look like he's 75 and his brother looks like he's 25?
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Euron is already more interesting than Ramsay ever was.
Also, I was extremely unsettled by Varys being told things he doesn't already know. @CokeGreaterThanPepsi true?! -
Varys know all there is to know. Just as I know all there is to know.Gladstone said:Euron is already more interesting than Ramsay ever was.
Also, I was extremely unsettled by Varys being told things he doesn't already know. @CokeGreaterThanPepsi true?! -
That was the first challenging moment for Varys and I was shocked at how weak his poker face was.Gladstone said:Euron is already more interesting than Ramsay ever was.
Also, I was extremely unsettled by Varys being told things he doesn't already know. @CokeGreaterThanPepsi true?!
For a man who has navigated himself to the top of the food chain, i'm sure he's learned by now to hold in his emotions while being delivered unsettling news.
Maybe he is a man (eunuch) who has been so affected by the cruelties of man he can't imagine the concept of divinity. But if there was ever a moment for him to be stoic and hold character, that was it.
The more I think about it, the two underdog characters who've played the game most aggressively, unpredictably, and accurately were both befuddled for the first time in this episode. It can't be a coincidence. Sansa calling out Littlefinger and Varys being schooled by a goddess brought both of them back to their humble beginnings.
