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Che Taylor shooting death SPD

JaWarrenJaHooker
JaWarrenJaHooker Member Posts: 2,122
in Tug Tavern
Before you get too many of the facts in this case which side are you going to root for irregardless?
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,102
    The police is correct at least 81% of the time.
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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    Seems to be justified from the details. And the guy who was killed seemed to be a shit human being
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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    We know the flow chart though.
    If not justifiable the regressive blame the police.
    If justifiable they push for more gun control
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  • HuskyJW
    HuskyJW Member Posts: 15,316
    I'm going to go on a limb and say everyone gets cleared in the death.
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  • AIRWOLF
    AIRWOLF Member Posts: 1,840
    If only there had been some law that could have prevented him from having a gun and he hadn't tried to pull it on cops that already had their guns trained on him, he'd be alive today.
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  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam
    Did he poast here?
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,188 Founders Club
    Might as well not even shoot the perp
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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    the "deeply beloved" robber and rapist
    https://www.thestranger.com/blogs/slog/2016/02/22/23605528/seattle-king-county-naacp-identifies-victim-of-yesterdays-police-shooting-as-che-taylor
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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    it's hard to know anything from that dashcam footage though. A bodycam would have been useful
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,892 Standard Supporter
    dhdawg said:

    it's hard to know anything from that dashcam footage though. A bodycam would have been useful

    Let me see:

    1. Convicted felon
    2. Repeatedly told to show his hands.
    3. Felon knows he's going to prison for a long time as it's a felony for him to have a gun
    besides the crime he's being sought for.
    4. Reaches for said gun.
    5. Felon is permanently rehabilitated posing no more danger to the public.
    6. Outcome of contact was determined by dead felons actions.
    7. The public needs to buy those cops a drink and thank them for their service. Being
    forced to shoot a criminal isn't fun for them. It's a very tough thing to go through.

    Body cams are not a panacea. They often do not point in the direction of the action as the wearers body is usually bladed with the officers gun side away from the suspect causing the camera to point 45 degrees off center.
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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    Sledog said:

    dhdawg said:

    it's hard to know anything from that dashcam footage though. A bodycam would have been useful

    Let me see:

    1. Convicted felon
    2. Repeatedly told to show his hands.
    3. Felon knows he's going to prison for a long time as it's a felony for him to have a gun
    besides the crime he's being sought for.
    4. Reaches for said gun.
    5. Felon is permanently rehabilitated posing no more danger to the public.
    6. Outcome of contact was determined by dead felons actions.
    7. The public needs to buy those cops a drink and thank them for their service. Being
    forced to shoot a criminal isn't fun for them. It's a very tough thing to go through.

    Body cams are not a panacea. They often do not point in the direction of the action as the wearers body is usually bladed with the officers gun side away from the suspect causing the camera to point 45 degrees off center.
    so? what is the rationale for not having them.
    And I am well aware of this individual's heinous criminal record and 100% believe the officers story in this case, as I do in most cases.
    A useful bodycam film would eliminate any controversy, if there is any to begin with
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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    and if the footage isn't useful, you don't use it
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,102
    So what if the body cam showed after the fact that there was not a weapon in the vehicle yet the victim was shot anyway for his actions?

    People need to stop looking for ways to arm chair QB the actions of the police in instances like this.

    To me, it's very clear:

    1) Suspect was told to show his hands
    2) Suspect disregarded the actions
    3) Suspect went into his vehicle for unknown reasons with unknown intentions
    4) Suspect's actions provided an immediate threat to the officers

    At some point, people need to also provide accountability to those that are being arrested to follow the directions of the police. If they don't, and their actions can be viewed as threatening, in my mind they deserve the results. It cuts both ways.
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,892 Standard Supporter
    edited February 2016
    The shooting could be justified either way. It's called a "furtive movement". The problem with having a camera and not having the film of the actual event is that detractors always claim the film was erased or doctored. Most officers like cameras and recorders, they exonerate them 99.9% of the time.

    Here's a dash cam video that shows video doesn't always capture what really happens.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv6I-3ETfhM
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  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,643 Founders Club
    Who fuckin cares? Not like I'm gonna run into another dead kid's aunt at a bar again.
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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    Tequilla said:

    So what if the body cam showed after the fact that there was not a weapon in the vehicle yet the victim was shot anyway for his actions?

    People need to stop looking for ways to arm chair QB the actions of the police in instances like this.

    To me, it's very clear:

    1) Suspect was told to show his hands
    2) Suspect disregarded the actions
    3) Suspect went into his vehicle for unknown reasons with unknown intentions
    4) Suspect's actions provided an immediate threat to the officers

    At some point, people need to also provide accountability to those that are being arrested to follow the directions of the police. If they don't, and their actions can be viewed as threatening, in my mind they deserve the results. It cuts both ways.

    Just more information, not armchair quarterbacking. And whether or not there was a gun of course is not always the determining factor
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  • doogsinparadise
    doogsinparadise Member Posts: 9,320
    Lot of authoritarian apologists in this thread.
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  • CFetters_Nacho_Lover
    CFetters_Nacho_Lover Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 32,328 Founders Club
    dhdawg said:

    Tequilla said:

    So what if the body cam showed after the fact that there was not a weapon in the vehicle yet the victim was shot anyway for his actions?

    People need to stop looking for ways to arm chair QB the actions of the police in instances like this.

    To me, it's very clear:

    1) Suspect was told to show his hands
    2) Suspect disregarded the actions
    3) Suspect went into his vehicle for unknown reasons with unknown intentions
    4) Suspect's actions provided an immediate threat to the officers

    At some point, people need to also provide accountability to those that are being arrested to follow the directions of the police. If they don't, and their actions can be viewed as threatening, in my mind they deserve the results. It cuts both ways.

    Just more information, not armchair quarterbacking. And whether or not there was a gun of course is rarely not always the determining factor
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,102
    dhdawg said:

    Tequilla said:

    So what if the body cam showed after the fact that there was not a weapon in the vehicle yet the victim was shot anyway for his actions?

    People need to stop looking for ways to arm chair QB the actions of the police in instances like this.

    To me, it's very clear:

    1) Suspect was told to show his hands
    2) Suspect disregarded the actions
    3) Suspect went into his vehicle for unknown reasons with unknown intentions
    4) Suspect's actions provided an immediate threat to the officers

    At some point, people need to also provide accountability to those that are being arrested to follow the directions of the police. If they don't, and their actions can be viewed as threatening, in my mind they deserve the results. It cuts both ways.

    Just more information, not armchair quarterbacking. And whether or not there was a gun of course is not always the determining factor
    For you and most normal people, I'd agree with your statement.

    You and I know damn well that there are people that sit out there looking to poke holes in anything that they can ... particularly against authority.
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,892 Standard Supporter
    I'm just pointing out that video is not a be all end all.
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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    HuskyJW said:

    I'm going to go on a limb and say everyone gets cleared in the death.

    It was all a terrible tragedy and condolences go to the family.
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  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,688 Standard Supporter
    Can't form an opinion when everything happens behind a car door
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