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Petersen Pissed Away the Utah Game, but he won't Admit it

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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,628 Founders Club

    PurpleJ said:

    We want a need a great coach. Period end of fucking story. Not interested in seeing if Petersen can improve to mediocre.

    Race. We have a GREAT defense and the offense is only struggling because they are YOUNG. You are the worst type of Huskie fan.
    Funny how the defense has young starters and key subs, yet aren't out there fucking the dog.

    Nope:

    Defensive starters: 4 SRs, 2 JRs, 5 SOs, 0 FR
    Offensive starters: 3 SRs, 1 JR, 4 SOs, 3 FR (including QB, RB, and LT)

    Offense is a hell of a lot younger than Defense
    He didn't start the freshman RB. That's not a hell of a lot, its a little
    3 True Freshmen (including the QB) to Zero. That is a lot.

    Gaskin was the starter for the last few games before the Utah game and he is probably going to be for the AZ State game as well. And the True Freshman RB is getting a hell of a lot more carries than the Jr this season. So saying he wasn't the starter for the Utah game is trivial.
    No its 2 because it isn't trivial its a fact. So 19% of the offense is true freshmen compared to 0%. That's a little not a lot like I said.

    Did I stutter?
    Nah you didn't stutter. You are just being stupid. What does it mean to be a starter if you play less than a backup?
    Had he started 3 freshman the idiot he did start wouldn't have fumbled twice and gave up a TD which kind of makes your point even more lame if that is even possible

    thanks for dropping by now LEAVE
    Before Washington's first fumble, Gaskin ran 5 times to Washington's 3, 6 to 4 before Washington's second fumble. So tell me again what it means that Washington was the starter? And Gaskin has been the starter for every game since Oregon (until Utah).
    But I'm still right and you still fudged the numbers to make a bad point
    Keep telling yourself that.
    Ok
    So what numbers did I fudge? As I said, Gaskin has been the starter every game since Oregon, except for the Utah game (though he ran during the first drive and more than Washington anyway). And he has far more carries than Washington anyway.
    I pointed out quite clearly where you fudged your numbers. You just referenced it again.

    But I pointed out why I didn't. You just keep dismissing my responses for idiotic reasons.
    I dismiss your fudging of the numbers because you fudged the numbers
    Would it unwad your panties if I said 2 Freshmen starters and another that plays more than the "starter"? Hell even if we ignored the fact that Gaskin has more than 2.7x the number of rushes as Washington, say we have 2 true freshmen starting, those the QB (who plays nearly every offensive down) and the LT. Calling that 19% of the offense, which you could do if they were a WR and TE who rotate every other play, is misleading at best, bafflingly stupid at worst.
    You know it doesn't really seem like its my panties that are in a wad here. You sound upset
    I'm not the one crying on and on about supposedly "fudged" numbers to ignoring the obvious point that the offense is younger than the defense.
    I'm not the one crying on and on either. You sound confused. The numbers are fudged though. Of that there is no question.

    At all
  • KnocksvilleE
    KnocksvilleE Member Posts: 75
    edited November 2015

    PurpleJ said:

    We want a need a great coach. Period end of fucking story. Not interested in seeing if Petersen can improve to mediocre.

    Race. We have a GREAT defense and the offense is only struggling because they are YOUNG. You are the worst type of Huskie fan.
    Funny how the defense has young starters and key subs, yet aren't out there fucking the dog.

    Nope:

    Defensive starters: 4 SRs, 2 JRs, 5 SOs, 0 FR
    Offensive starters: 3 SRs, 1 JR, 4 SOs, 3 FR (including QB, RB, and LT)

    Offense is a hell of a lot younger than Defense
    He didn't start the freshman RB. That's not a hell of a lot, its a little
    3 True Freshmen (including the QB) to Zero. That is a lot.

    Gaskin was the starter for the last few games before the Utah game and he is probably going to be for the AZ State game as well. And the True Freshman RB is getting a hell of a lot more carries than the Jr this season. So saying he wasn't the starter for the Utah game is trivial.
    No its 2 because it isn't trivial its a fact. So 19% of the offense is true freshmen compared to 0%. That's a little not a lot like I said.

    Did I stutter?
    Nah you didn't stutter. You are just being stupid. What does it mean to be a starter if you play less than a backup?
    Had he started 3 freshman the idiot he did start wouldn't have fumbled twice and gave up a TD which kind of makes your point even more lame if that is even possible

    thanks for dropping by now LEAVE
    Before Washington's first fumble, Gaskin ran 5 times to Washington's 3, 6 to 4 before Washington's second fumble. So tell me again what it means that Washington was the starter? And Gaskin has been the starter for every game since Oregon (until Utah).
    But I'm still right and you still fudged the numbers to make a bad point
    Keep telling yourself that.
    Ok
    So what numbers did I fudge? As I said, Gaskin has been the starter every game since Oregon, except for the Utah game (though he ran during the first drive and more than Washington anyway). And he has far more carries than Washington anyway.
    I pointed out quite clearly where you fudged your numbers. You just referenced it again.

    But I pointed out why I didn't. You just keep dismissing my responses for idiotic reasons.
    I dismiss your fudging of the numbers because you fudged the numbers
    Would it unwad your panties if I said 2 Freshmen starters and another that plays more than the "starter"? Hell even if we ignored the fact that Gaskin has more than 2.7x the number of rushes as Washington, say we have 2 true freshmen starting, those the QB (who plays nearly every offensive down) and the LT. Calling that 19% of the offense, which you could do if they were a WR and TE who rotate every other play, is misleading at best, bafflingly stupid at worst.
    You know it doesn't really seem like its my panties that are in a wad here. You sound upset
    I'm not the one crying on and on about supposedly "fudged" numbers to ignoring the obvious point that the offense is younger than the defense.
    I'm not the one crying on and on either. You sound confused. The numbers are fudged though. Of that there is no question.

    At all
    Then you are clearly deluded. But why am I not surprised you are still crying about the numbers?
  • MisterEm
    MisterEm Member Posts: 6,685

    PurpleJ said:

    We want a need a great coach. Period end of fucking story. Not interested in seeing if Petersen can improve to mediocre.

    Race. We have a GREAT defense and the offense is only struggling because they are YOUNG. You are the worst type of Huskie fan.
    Funny how the defense has young starters and key subs, yet aren't out there fucking the dog.

    Nope:

    Defensive starters: 4 SRs, 2 JRs, 5 SOs, 0 FR
    Offensive starters: 3 SRs, 1 JR, 4 SOs, 3 FR (including QB, RB, and LT)

    Offense is a hell of a lot younger than Defense
    He didn't start the freshman RB. That's not a hell of a lot, its a little
    3 True Freshmen (including the QB) to Zero. That is a lot.

    Gaskin was the starter for the last few games before the Utah game and he is probably going to be for the AZ State game as well. And the True Freshman RB is getting a hell of a lot more carries than the Jr this season. So saying he wasn't the starter for the Utah game is trivial.
    No its 2 because it isn't trivial its a fact. So 19% of the offense is true freshmen compared to 0%. That's a little not a lot like I said.

    Did I stutter?
    Nah you didn't stutter. You are just being stupid. What does it mean to be a starter if you play less than a backup?
    Had he started 3 freshman the idiot he did start wouldn't have fumbled twice and gave up a TD which kind of makes your point even more lame if that is even possible

    thanks for dropping by now LEAVE
    Before Washington's first fumble, Gaskin ran 5 times to Washington's 3, 6 to 4 before Washington's second fumble. So tell me again what it means that Washington was the starter? And Gaskin has been the starter for every game since Oregon (until Utah).
    But I'm still right and you still fudged the numbers to make a bad point
    Keep telling yourself that.
    Ok
    So what numbers did I fudge? As I said, Gaskin has been the starter every game since Oregon, except for the Utah game (though he ran during the first drive and more than Washington anyway). And he has far more carries than Washington anyway.
    I pointed out quite clearly where you fudged your numbers. You just referenced it again.

    But I pointed out why I didn't. You just keep dismissing my responses for idiotic reasons.
    I dismiss your fudging of the numbers because you fudged the numbers
    Would it unwad your panties if I said 2 Freshmen starters and another that plays more than the "starter"? Hell even if we ignored the fact that Gaskin has more than 2.7x the number of rushes as Washington, say we have 2 true freshmen starting, those the QB (who plays nearly every offensive down) and the LT. Calling that 19% of the offense, which you could do if they were a WR and TE who rotate every other play, is misleading at best, bafflingly stupid at worst.
    You know it doesn't really seem like its my panties that are in a wad here. You sound upset
    I'm not the one crying on and on about supposedly "fudged" numbers to ignoring the obvious point that the offense is younger than the defense.
    I'm not the one crying on and on either. You sound confused. The numbers are fudged though. Of that there is no question.

    At all
    Then you are clearly deluded. But why am I not surprised you are still crying about the numbers?
    You edited, THAT?
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,628 Founders Club

    PurpleJ said:

    We want a need a great coach. Period end of fucking story. Not interested in seeing if Petersen can improve to mediocre.

    Race. We have a GREAT defense and the offense is only struggling because they are YOUNG. You are the worst type of Huskie fan.
    Funny how the defense has young starters and key subs, yet aren't out there fucking the dog.

    Nope:

    Defensive starters: 4 SRs, 2 JRs, 5 SOs, 0 FR
    Offensive starters: 3 SRs, 1 JR, 4 SOs, 3 FR (including QB, RB, and LT)

    Offense is a hell of a lot younger than Defense
    He didn't start the freshman RB. That's not a hell of a lot, its a little
    3 True Freshmen (including the QB) to Zero. That is a lot.

    Gaskin was the starter for the last few games before the Utah game and he is probably going to be for the AZ State game as well. And the True Freshman RB is getting a hell of a lot more carries than the Jr this season. So saying he wasn't the starter for the Utah game is trivial.
    No its 2 because it isn't trivial its a fact. So 19% of the offense is true freshmen compared to 0%. That's a little not a lot like I said.

    Did I stutter?
    Nah you didn't stutter. You are just being stupid. What does it mean to be a starter if you play less than a backup?
    Had he started 3 freshman the idiot he did start wouldn't have fumbled twice and gave up a TD which kind of makes your point even more lame if that is even possible

    thanks for dropping by now LEAVE
    Before Washington's first fumble, Gaskin ran 5 times to Washington's 3, 6 to 4 before Washington's second fumble. So tell me again what it means that Washington was the starter? And Gaskin has been the starter for every game since Oregon (until Utah).
    But I'm still right and you still fudged the numbers to make a bad point
    Keep telling yourself that.
    Ok
    So what numbers did I fudge? As I said, Gaskin has been the starter every game since Oregon, except for the Utah game (though he ran during the first drive and more than Washington anyway). And he has far more carries than Washington anyway.
    I pointed out quite clearly where you fudged your numbers. You just referenced it again.

    But I pointed out why I didn't. You just keep dismissing my responses for idiotic reasons.
    I dismiss your fudging of the numbers because you fudged the numbers
    Would it unwad your panties if I said 2 Freshmen starters and another that plays more than the "starter"? Hell even if we ignored the fact that Gaskin has more than 2.7x the number of rushes as Washington, say we have 2 true freshmen starting, those the QB (who plays nearly every offensive down) and the LT. Calling that 19% of the offense, which you could do if they were a WR and TE who rotate every other play, is misleading at best, bafflingly stupid at worst.
    You know it doesn't really seem like its my panties that are in a wad here. You sound upset
    I'm not the one crying on and on about supposedly "fudged" numbers to ignoring the obvious point that the offense is younger than the defense.
    I'm not the one crying on and on either. You sound confused. The numbers are fudged though. Of that there is no question.

    At all
    Then you are clearly deluded. But why am I not surprised you are still crying about the numbers?
    I am politely answering your posts. Not crying. You need to know the difference
  • KnocksvilleE
    KnocksvilleE Member Posts: 75
    Hell ignoring the extreme youth of the offense by pointing to defensive youth just minimizes what an amazing job Kwiatkowski did. Unless you are Alabama and recruit 75% blue chippers, you shouldn't improve on defense after losing 4 top-44 NFL draft picks and pretty much every starter on the front 7. This defense had every right to be mediocre given what they lost. Same with the offense given that they had to replace almost the entire OLine and QB.
  • KnocksvilleE
    KnocksvilleE Member Posts: 75

    PurpleJ said:

    We want a need a great coach. Period end of fucking story. Not interested in seeing if Petersen can improve to mediocre.

    Race. We have a GREAT defense and the offense is only struggling because they are YOUNG. You are the worst type of Huskie fan.
    Funny how the defense has young starters and key subs, yet aren't out there fucking the dog.

    Nope:

    Defensive starters: 4 SRs, 2 JRs, 5 SOs, 0 FR
    Offensive starters: 3 SRs, 1 JR, 4 SOs, 3 FR (including QB, RB, and LT)

    Offense is a hell of a lot younger than Defense
    He didn't start the freshman RB. That's not a hell of a lot, its a little
    3 True Freshmen (including the QB) to Zero. That is a lot.

    Gaskin was the starter for the last few games before the Utah game and he is probably going to be for the AZ State game as well. And the True Freshman RB is getting a hell of a lot more carries than the Jr this season. So saying he wasn't the starter for the Utah game is trivial.
    No its 2 because it isn't trivial its a fact. So 19% of the offense is true freshmen compared to 0%. That's a little not a lot like I said.

    Did I stutter?
    Nah you didn't stutter. You are just being stupid. What does it mean to be a starter if you play less than a backup?
    Had he started 3 freshman the idiot he did start wouldn't have fumbled twice and gave up a TD which kind of makes your point even more lame if that is even possible

    thanks for dropping by now LEAVE
    Before Washington's first fumble, Gaskin ran 5 times to Washington's 3, 6 to 4 before Washington's second fumble. So tell me again what it means that Washington was the starter? And Gaskin has been the starter for every game since Oregon (until Utah).
    But I'm still right and you still fudged the numbers to make a bad point
    Keep telling yourself that.
    Ok
    So what numbers did I fudge? As I said, Gaskin has been the starter every game since Oregon, except for the Utah game (though he ran during the first drive and more than Washington anyway). And he has far more carries than Washington anyway.
    I pointed out quite clearly where you fudged your numbers. You just referenced it again.

    But I pointed out why I didn't. You just keep dismissing my responses for idiotic reasons.
    I dismiss your fudging of the numbers because you fudged the numbers
    Would it unwad your panties if I said 2 Freshmen starters and another that plays more than the "starter"? Hell even if we ignored the fact that Gaskin has more than 2.7x the number of rushes as Washington, say we have 2 true freshmen starting, those the QB (who plays nearly every offensive down) and the LT. Calling that 19% of the offense, which you could do if they were a WR and TE who rotate every other play, is misleading at best, bafflingly stupid at worst.
    You know it doesn't really seem like its my panties that are in a wad here. You sound upset
    I'm not the one crying on and on about supposedly "fudged" numbers to ignoring the obvious point that the offense is younger than the defense.
    I'm not the one crying on and on either. You sound confused. The numbers are fudged though. Of that there is no question.

    At all
    Then you are clearly deluded. But why am I not surprised you are still crying about the numbers?
    I am politely answering your posts. Not crying. You need to know the difference
    By polite, you mean ignoring pretty much every point I made to bitch about what you incorrectly think (and have not justified) to be "fudged" numbers?
  • KnocksvilleE
    KnocksvilleE Member Posts: 75
    MisterEm said:

    PurpleJ said:

    We want a need a great coach. Period end of fucking story. Not interested in seeing if Petersen can improve to mediocre.

    Race. We have a GREAT defense and the offense is only struggling because they are YOUNG. You are the worst type of Huskie fan.
    Funny how the defense has young starters and key subs, yet aren't out there fucking the dog.

    Nope:

    Defensive starters: 4 SRs, 2 JRs, 5 SOs, 0 FR
    Offensive starters: 3 SRs, 1 JR, 4 SOs, 3 FR (including QB, RB, and LT)

    Offense is a hell of a lot younger than Defense
    He didn't start the freshman RB. That's not a hell of a lot, its a little
    3 True Freshmen (including the QB) to Zero. That is a lot.

    Gaskin was the starter for the last few games before the Utah game and he is probably going to be for the AZ State game as well. And the True Freshman RB is getting a hell of a lot more carries than the Jr this season. So saying he wasn't the starter for the Utah game is trivial.
    No its 2 because it isn't trivial its a fact. So 19% of the offense is true freshmen compared to 0%. That's a little not a lot like I said.

    Did I stutter?
    Nah you didn't stutter. You are just being stupid. What does it mean to be a starter if you play less than a backup?
    Had he started 3 freshman the idiot he did start wouldn't have fumbled twice and gave up a TD which kind of makes your point even more lame if that is even possible

    thanks for dropping by now LEAVE
    Before Washington's first fumble, Gaskin ran 5 times to Washington's 3, 6 to 4 before Washington's second fumble. So tell me again what it means that Washington was the starter? And Gaskin has been the starter for every game since Oregon (until Utah).
    But I'm still right and you still fudged the numbers to make a bad point
    Keep telling yourself that.
    Ok
    So what numbers did I fudge? As I said, Gaskin has been the starter every game since Oregon, except for the Utah game (though he ran during the first drive and more than Washington anyway). And he has far more carries than Washington anyway.
    I pointed out quite clearly where you fudged your numbers. You just referenced it again.

    But I pointed out why I didn't. You just keep dismissing my responses for idiotic reasons.
    I dismiss your fudging of the numbers because you fudged the numbers
    Would it unwad your panties if I said 2 Freshmen starters and another that plays more than the "starter"? Hell even if we ignored the fact that Gaskin has more than 2.7x the number of rushes as Washington, say we have 2 true freshmen starting, those the QB (who plays nearly every offensive down) and the LT. Calling that 19% of the offense, which you could do if they were a WR and TE who rotate every other play, is misleading at best, bafflingly stupid at worst.
    You know it doesn't really seem like its my panties that are in a wad here. You sound upset
    I'm not the one crying on and on about supposedly "fudged" numbers to ignoring the obvious point that the offense is younger than the defense.
    I'm not the one crying on and on either. You sound confused. The numbers are fudged though. Of that there is no question.

    At all
    Then you are clearly deluded. But why am I not surprised you are still crying about the numbers?
    You edited, THAT?
    Derp what?
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,628 Founders Club

    PurpleJ said:

    We want a need a great coach. Period end of fucking story. Not interested in seeing if Petersen can improve to mediocre.

    Race. We have a GREAT defense and the offense is only struggling because they are YOUNG. You are the worst type of Huskie fan.
    Funny how the defense has young starters and key subs, yet aren't out there fucking the dog.

    Nope:

    Defensive starters: 4 SRs, 2 JRs, 5 SOs, 0 FR
    Offensive starters: 3 SRs, 1 JR, 4 SOs, 3 FR (including QB, RB, and LT)

    Offense is a hell of a lot younger than Defense
    He didn't start the freshman RB. That's not a hell of a lot, its a little
    3 True Freshmen (including the QB) to Zero. That is a lot.

    Gaskin was the starter for the last few games before the Utah game and he is probably going to be for the AZ State game as well. And the True Freshman RB is getting a hell of a lot more carries than the Jr this season. So saying he wasn't the starter for the Utah game is trivial.
    No its 2 because it isn't trivial its a fact. So 19% of the offense is true freshmen compared to 0%. That's a little not a lot like I said.

    Did I stutter?
    Nah you didn't stutter. You are just being stupid. What does it mean to be a starter if you play less than a backup?
    Had he started 3 freshman the idiot he did start wouldn't have fumbled twice and gave up a TD which kind of makes your point even more lame if that is even possible

    thanks for dropping by now LEAVE
    Before Washington's first fumble, Gaskin ran 5 times to Washington's 3, 6 to 4 before Washington's second fumble. So tell me again what it means that Washington was the starter? And Gaskin has been the starter for every game since Oregon (until Utah).
    But I'm still right and you still fudged the numbers to make a bad point
    Keep telling yourself that.
    Ok
    So what numbers did I fudge? As I said, Gaskin has been the starter every game since Oregon, except for the Utah game (though he ran during the first drive and more than Washington anyway). And he has far more carries than Washington anyway.
    I pointed out quite clearly where you fudged your numbers. You just referenced it again.

    But I pointed out why I didn't. You just keep dismissing my responses for idiotic reasons.
    I dismiss your fudging of the numbers because you fudged the numbers
    Would it unwad your panties if I said 2 Freshmen starters and another that plays more than the "starter"? Hell even if we ignored the fact that Gaskin has more than 2.7x the number of rushes as Washington, say we have 2 true freshmen starting, those the QB (who plays nearly every offensive down) and the LT. Calling that 19% of the offense, which you could do if they were a WR and TE who rotate every other play, is misleading at best, bafflingly stupid at worst.
    You know it doesn't really seem like its my panties that are in a wad here. You sound upset
    I'm not the one crying on and on about supposedly "fudged" numbers to ignoring the obvious point that the offense is younger than the defense.
    I'm not the one crying on and on either. You sound confused. The numbers are fudged though. Of that there is no question.

    At all
    Then you are clearly deluded. But why am I not surprised you are still crying about the numbers?
    I am politely answering your posts. Not crying. You need to know the difference
    By polite, you mean ignoring pretty much every point I made to bitch about what you incorrectly think (and have not justified) to be "fudged" numbers?
    Oh no. The numbers were fudged. I showed that quite clearly already. You even agreed. Everyone agrees. Ask around, the numbers were fudged.
  • KnocksvilleE
    KnocksvilleE Member Posts: 75

    PurpleJ said:

    We want a need a great coach. Period end of fucking story. Not interested in seeing if Petersen can improve to mediocre.

    Race. We have a GREAT defense and the offense is only struggling because they are YOUNG. You are the worst type of Huskie fan.
    Funny how the defense has young starters and key subs, yet aren't out there fucking the dog.

    Nope:

    Defensive starters: 4 SRs, 2 JRs, 5 SOs, 0 FR
    Offensive starters: 3 SRs, 1 JR, 4 SOs, 3 FR (including QB, RB, and LT)

    Offense is a hell of a lot younger than Defense
    He didn't start the freshman RB. That's not a hell of a lot, its a little
    3 True Freshmen (including the QB) to Zero. That is a lot.

    Gaskin was the starter for the last few games before the Utah game and he is probably going to be for the AZ State game as well. And the True Freshman RB is getting a hell of a lot more carries than the Jr this season. So saying he wasn't the starter for the Utah game is trivial.
    No its 2 because it isn't trivial its a fact. So 19% of the offense is true freshmen compared to 0%. That's a little not a lot like I said.

    Did I stutter?
    Nah you didn't stutter. You are just being stupid. What does it mean to be a starter if you play less than a backup?
    Had he started 3 freshman the idiot he did start wouldn't have fumbled twice and gave up a TD which kind of makes your point even more lame if that is even possible

    thanks for dropping by now LEAVE
    Before Washington's first fumble, Gaskin ran 5 times to Washington's 3, 6 to 4 before Washington's second fumble. So tell me again what it means that Washington was the starter? And Gaskin has been the starter for every game since Oregon (until Utah).
    But I'm still right and you still fudged the numbers to make a bad point
    Keep telling yourself that.
    Ok
    So what numbers did I fudge? As I said, Gaskin has been the starter every game since Oregon, except for the Utah game (though he ran during the first drive and more than Washington anyway). And he has far more carries than Washington anyway.
    I pointed out quite clearly where you fudged your numbers. You just referenced it again.

    But I pointed out why I didn't. You just keep dismissing my responses for idiotic reasons.
    I dismiss your fudging of the numbers because you fudged the numbers
    Would it unwad your panties if I said 2 Freshmen starters and another that plays more than the "starter"? Hell even if we ignored the fact that Gaskin has more than 2.7x the number of rushes as Washington, say we have 2 true freshmen starting, those the QB (who plays nearly every offensive down) and the LT. Calling that 19% of the offense, which you could do if they were a WR and TE who rotate every other play, is misleading at best, bafflingly stupid at worst.
    You know it doesn't really seem like its my panties that are in a wad here. You sound upset
    I'm not the one crying on and on about supposedly "fudged" numbers to ignoring the obvious point that the offense is younger than the defense.
    I'm not the one crying on and on either. You sound confused. The numbers are fudged though. Of that there is no question.

    At all
    Then you are clearly deluded. But why am I not surprised you are still crying about the numbers?
    I am politely answering your posts. Not crying. You need to know the difference
    By polite, you mean ignoring pretty much every point I made to bitch about what you incorrectly think (and have not justified) to be "fudged" numbers?
    Oh no. The numbers were fudged. I showed that quite clearly already. You even agreed. Everyone agrees. Ask around, the numbers were fudged.
    nope. Never agreed.