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Is Socialism Inevitable? Is it Humanity's destiny?

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  • OZONE
    OZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    "Is Socialism Inevitable? Is it Humanity's destiny?"

    Not pure socialism, no; it has the same flaws as pure capitalism. But some kind of free market socialism, or democratic socialism, yes I think it is where we are headed, but it will be a couple of generations away still.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,919
    edited November 2015
    OZONE said:

    "Is Socialism Inevitable? Is it Humanity's destiny?"

    Not pure socialism, no; it has the same flaws as pure capitalism. But some kind of free market socialism, or democratic socialism, yes I think it is where we are headed, but it will be a couple of generations away still.

    You're speaking of Utopia. The only way Utopia works is if everybody gets what they need.

    The whole monkey in that wrench is that Human nature is to take what they want. Damn their neighbors needs. And Especially if there's not enough to go around. Not everyone is that way. But more are than aren't. Especially if they haven't had it before. There are many civilizations still that aren't that way. But they are the ones that are still self sufficient.
  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    salemcoog said:

    OZONE said:

    "Is Socialism Inevitable? Is it Humanity's destiny?"

    Not pure socialism, no; it has the same flaws as pure capitalism. But some kind of free market socialism, or democratic socialism, yes I think it is where we are headed, but it will be a couple of generations away still.

    You're speaking of Utopia. The only way Utopia works is if everybody gets what they need want.

    The whole monkey in that wrench is that Human nature is to take what they want. Damn their neighbors needs. And Especially if there's not enough to go around. Not everyone is that way. But more are than aren't. Especially if they haven't had it before. There are many civilizations still that aren't that way. But they are the ones that are still self sufficient.
  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    OZONE said:

    "Is Socialism Inevitable? Is it Humanity's destiny?"

    Not pure socialism, no; it has the same flaws as pure capitalism. But some kind of free market socialism, or democratic socialism, yes I think it is where we are headed, but it will be a couple of generations away still.

    The new Socialism:

    I got mine, the rest of you share... now fuck off.
  • OZONE
    OZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    salemcoog said:

    OZONE said:

    "Is Socialism Inevitable? Is it Humanity's destiny?"

    Not pure socialism, no; it has the same flaws as pure capitalism. But some kind of free market socialism, or democratic socialism, yes I think it is where we are headed, but it will be a couple of generations away still.

    You're speaking of Utopia. The only way Utopia works is if everybody gets what they need.

    The whole monkey in that wrench is that Human nature is to take what they want. Damn their neighbors needs. And Especially if there's not enough to go around. Not everyone is that way. But more are than aren't. Especially if they haven't had it before. There are many civilizations still that aren't that way. But they are the ones that are still self sufficient.
    This is why I think free market socialism is the future, not pure socialism.

    There is still latitude for greater reward for hard work, you just wouldn't see the wealth gaps you see in the US... it would be much more like the wealth gaps you see in Sweden or Denmark.
  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 26,150 Standard Supporter

    Schumpeter predicted that the success of capitalism would lead to socialism. That has more to do with your question then technology which makes societies wealthier not poorer. Technology is deflationary but it also creates its own replacement jobs and industries in its own right.

    Yes some jobs will be created by new industries we haven't even thought of yet (why I mentioned needing education/skills in computer programming and STEM), but not enough to slow the flow of jobs leaving the system.
    It might happen.

    But people probably thought that during the Industrial Revolution also
  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 26,150 Standard Supporter
    OZONE said:

    salemcoog said:

    OZONE said:

    "Is Socialism Inevitable? Is it Humanity's destiny?"

    Not pure socialism, no; it has the same flaws as pure capitalism. But some kind of free market socialism, or democratic socialism, yes I think it is where we are headed, but it will be a couple of generations away still.

    You're speaking of Utopia. The only way Utopia works is if everybody gets what they need.

    The whole monkey in that wrench is that Human nature is to take what they want. Damn their neighbors needs. And Especially if there's not enough to go around. Not everyone is that way. But more are than aren't. Especially if they haven't had it before. There are many civilizations still that aren't that way. But they are the ones that are still self sufficient.
    This is why I think free market socialism is the future, not pure socialism.

    There is still latitude for greater reward for hard work, you just wouldn't see the wealth gaps you see in the US... it would be much more like the wealth gaps you see in Sweden or Denmark.
    The sad part is, many of the church people who vote mostly on retarded social shit like Jesus, guns, and abortion are in favor of something resembling the Scandinavian mixed market system, or whatever you want to call it. The R's have manipulated them into voting against their economic interests.
  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208

    OZONE said:

    salemcoog said:

    OZONE said:

    "Is Socialism Inevitable? Is it Humanity's destiny?"

    Not pure socialism, no; it has the same flaws as pure capitalism. But some kind of free market socialism, or democratic socialism, yes I think it is where we are headed, but it will be a couple of generations away still.

    You're speaking of Utopia. The only way Utopia works is if everybody gets what they need.

    The whole monkey in that wrench is that Human nature is to take what they want. Damn their neighbors needs. And Especially if there's not enough to go around. Not everyone is that way. But more are than aren't. Especially if they haven't had it before. There are many civilizations still that aren't that way. But they are the ones that are still self sufficient.
    This is why I think free market socialism is the future, not pure socialism.

    There is still latitude for greater reward for hard work, you just wouldn't see the wealth gaps you see in the US... it would be much more like the wealth gaps you see in Sweden or Denmark.
    The sad part is, many of the church people who vote mostly on retarded social shit like Jesus, guns, and abortion are in favor of something resembling the Scandinavian mixed market system, or whatever you want to call it. The R's have manipulated them into voting against their economic interests.
    Good boy. You seem to have people grouped into the stereotypes you've been taught.
  • sarktastic
    sarktastic Member Posts: 9,208
    OZONE said:

    salemcoog said:

    OZONE said:

    "Is Socialism Inevitable? Is it Humanity's destiny?"

    Not pure socialism, no; it has the same flaws as pure capitalism. But some kind of free market socialism, or democratic socialism, yes I think it is where we are headed, but it will be a couple of generations away still.

    You're speaking of Utopia. The only way Utopia works is if everybody gets what they need.

    The whole monkey in that wrench is that Human nature is to take what they want. Damn their neighbors needs. And Especially if there's not enough to go around. Not everyone is that way. But more are than aren't. Especially if they haven't had it before. There are many civilizations still that aren't that way. But they are the ones that are still self sufficient.
    This is why I think free market socialism is the future, not pure socialism.

    There is still latitude for greater reward for hard work, you just wouldn't see the wealth gaps you see in the US... it would be much more like the wealth gaps you see in Sweden or Denmark.
    "free market socialism" is this what they're calling fascism these days?