Why does Jordan get a pass for '95?
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Yes it is.RoadDawg55 said:
LeBron might end up with more regular season MVP's. That's about it. The competition one isn't cut and dry. Top to bottom the league is much better now, but there were some pretty stacked teams in the 80's and 90's.ThomasFremont said:
Actually there are quite a few. That's the fucking point.RoadDawg55 said:
There isn't one objective measure to put LeBron above Jordan. Maybe LeBron will finish with more regular season MVP's if you want to stoop that low. But MJ had Pippen and Phil Jackson, LeBron had to play for Mike Brown, yadda, yadda. Facts are facts, boobie lips. If you want to argue that LeBron is better than Bird and Magic, I would agree.ThomasFremont said:
Disagree.RoadDawg55 said:
LBJ is not underrated. He's one of the best of all time. Trying to compare him to Jordan is FS though. It's not even close.Doogles said:And to think I almost didn't click "post discussion"
I've moved to a much seedier dive and have switched from bloodies to Jameson and headlands ipa.
I'll keep drinking while the slap fight ensues. LBJ is underrated by this board, but Jordan kept hall of famers from wearing rings. My initial comment was more to the point that Jordan was beaten in his prime and didn't make the finals. Any Houston fans can also call Bullshit on the claim Olajuwon only won bc Jordan wasn't there. He was, he just missed the dance.
Jordan has 6-0.
LeBron has everything else. Against better competition.
If you think the 80s-90s NBA was better than the current version, go light yourself on fire.
This isn't even a debate.
The skill level in the modern era is at an all-time high.
The athleticism is at an all-time high.
What are these stacked teams you are referring to, besides the aging Lakers/Celtics dynasties, the Pistons that stomped MJ until they fell apart, and MJ's own Bulls? -
Thanks for ruining a perfectly good troll joballpurpleallgold said:The difference between Jordan and Lebron is Jordan would have murdered the Mavericks franchise if they tried to guard him with JJ Barea.
If you were going to have a 5 on 5 game of all the NBA greats in their prime and your life was on the line you'd pick Jordan first every time. It doesn't matter if anyone is ever a better basketball player. You'd pick him first because you wouldn't want to piss him off. That's why he's the GOAT.
I'd like to see Jordan take it to the rim against Bill Russell though -
They were actual teams vz. Individuals.ThomasFremont said:
Yes it is.RoadDawg55 said:
LeBron might end up with more regular season MVP's. That's about it. The competition one isn't cut and dry. Top to bottom the league is much better now, but there were some pretty stacked teams in the 80's and 90's.ThomasFremont said:
Actually there are quite a few. That's the fucking point.RoadDawg55 said:
There isn't one objective measure to put LeBron above Jordan. Maybe LeBron will finish with more regular season MVP's if you want to stoop that low. But MJ had Pippen and Phil Jackson, LeBron had to play for Mike Brown, yadda, yadda. Facts are facts, boobie lips. If you want to argue that LeBron is better than Bird and Magic, I would agree.ThomasFremont said:
Disagree.RoadDawg55 said:
LBJ is not underrated. He's one of the best of all time. Trying to compare him to Jordan is FS though. It's not even close.Doogles said:And to think I almost didn't click "post discussion"
I've moved to a much seedier dive and have switched from bloodies to Jameson and headlands ipa.
I'll keep drinking while the slap fight ensues. LBJ is underrated by this board, but Jordan kept hall of famers from wearing rings. My initial comment was more to the point that Jordan was beaten in his prime and didn't make the finals. Any Houston fans can also call Bullshit on the claim Olajuwon only won bc Jordan wasn't there. He was, he just missed the dance.
Jordan has 6-0.
LeBron has everything else. Against better competition.
If you think the 80s-90s NBA was better than the current version, go light yourself on fire.
This isn't even a debate.
The skill level in the modern era is at an all-time high.
The athleticism is at an all-time high.
What are these stacked teams you are referring to, besides the aging Lakers/Celtics dynasties, the Pistons that stomped MJ until they fell apart, and MJ's own Bulls?
I recently watched my buddy play an international rugby friendly at kezar stadium. It was a collection of nor cal Allstars(some are USA eagles) vs. the best collegiate team in England.
Although clearly more talented/athletic the all star adults got their shit pushed in by the regimented young bucks.
Being a team matters, today's nba (minus the spurs) is a group of individuals and not a team. That's the problem in comparing eras. -
You realize that this notion of superior teams/supporting casts back in the day supports the LeBron is better than Jordan argument, right?Doogles said:
They were actual teams vz. Individuals.ThomasFremont said:
Yes it is.RoadDawg55 said:
LeBron might end up with more regular season MVP's. That's about it. The competition one isn't cut and dry. Top to bottom the league is much better now, but there were some pretty stacked teams in the 80's and 90's.ThomasFremont said:
Actually there are quite a few. That's the fucking point.RoadDawg55 said:
There isn't one objective measure to put LeBron above Jordan. Maybe LeBron will finish with more regular season MVP's if you want to stoop that low. But MJ had Pippen and Phil Jackson, LeBron had to play for Mike Brown, yadda, yadda. Facts are facts, boobie lips. If you want to argue that LeBron is better than Bird and Magic, I would agree.ThomasFremont said:
Disagree.RoadDawg55 said:
LBJ is not underrated. He's one of the best of all time. Trying to compare him to Jordan is FS though. It's not even close.Doogles said:And to think I almost didn't click "post discussion"
I've moved to a much seedier dive and have switched from bloodies to Jameson and headlands ipa.
I'll keep drinking while the slap fight ensues. LBJ is underrated by this board, but Jordan kept hall of famers from wearing rings. My initial comment was more to the point that Jordan was beaten in his prime and didn't make the finals. Any Houston fans can also call Bullshit on the claim Olajuwon only won bc Jordan wasn't there. He was, he just missed the dance.
Jordan has 6-0.
LeBron has everything else. Against better competition.
If you think the 80s-90s NBA was better than the current version, go light yourself on fire.
This isn't even a debate.
The skill level in the modern era is at an all-time high.
The athleticism is at an all-time high.
What are these stacked teams you are referring to, besides the aging Lakers/Celtics dynasties, the Pistons that stomped MJ until they fell apart, and MJ's own Bulls?
I recently watched my buddy play an international rugby friendly at kezar stadium. It was a collection of nor cal Allstars(some are USA eagles) vs. the best collegiate team in England.
Although clearly more talented/athletic the all star adults got their shit pushed in by the regimented young bucks.
Being a team matters, today's nba (minus the spurs) is a group of individuals and not a team. That's the problem in comparing eras. -
The Warriors aren't a team?Doogles said:
They were actual teams vz. Individuals.ThomasFremont said:
Yes it is.RoadDawg55 said:
LeBron might end up with more regular season MVP's. That's about it. The competition one isn't cut and dry. Top to bottom the league is much better now, but there were some pretty stacked teams in the 80's and 90's.ThomasFremont said:
Actually there are quite a few. That's the fucking point.RoadDawg55 said:
There isn't one objective measure to put LeBron above Jordan. Maybe LeBron will finish with more regular season MVP's if you want to stoop that low. But MJ had Pippen and Phil Jackson, LeBron had to play for Mike Brown, yadda, yadda. Facts are facts, boobie lips. If you want to argue that LeBron is better than Bird and Magic, I would agree.ThomasFremont said:
Disagree.RoadDawg55 said:
LBJ is not underrated. He's one of the best of all time. Trying to compare him to Jordan is FS though. It's not even close.Doogles said:And to think I almost didn't click "post discussion"
I've moved to a much seedier dive and have switched from bloodies to Jameson and headlands ipa.
I'll keep drinking while the slap fight ensues. LBJ is underrated by this board, but Jordan kept hall of famers from wearing rings. My initial comment was more to the point that Jordan was beaten in his prime and didn't make the finals. Any Houston fans can also call Bullshit on the claim Olajuwon only won bc Jordan wasn't there. He was, he just missed the dance.
Jordan has 6-0.
LeBron has everything else. Against better competition.
If you think the 80s-90s NBA was better than the current version, go light yourself on fire.
This isn't even a debate.
The skill level in the modern era is at an all-time high.
The athleticism is at an all-time high.
What are these stacked teams you are referring to, besides the aging Lakers/Celtics dynasties, the Pistons that stomped MJ until they fell apart, and MJ's own Bulls?
I recently watched my buddy play an international rugby friendly at kezar stadium. It was a collection of nor cal Allstars(some are USA eagles) vs. the best collegiate team in England.
Although clearly more talented/athletic the all star adults got their shit pushed in by the regimented young bucks.
Being a team matters, today's nba (minus the spurs) is a group of individuals and not a team. That's the problem in comparing eras. -
What about RoadDawgs's Hawks???RaceBannon said:
The Warriors aren't a team?Doogles said:
They were actual teams vz. Individuals.ThomasFremont said:
Yes it is.RoadDawg55 said:
LeBron might end up with more regular season MVP's. That's about it. The competition one isn't cut and dry. Top to bottom the league is much better now, but there were some pretty stacked teams in the 80's and 90's.ThomasFremont said:
Actually there are quite a few. That's the fucking point.RoadDawg55 said:
There isn't one objective measure to put LeBron above Jordan. Maybe LeBron will finish with more regular season MVP's if you want to stoop that low. But MJ had Pippen and Phil Jackson, LeBron had to play for Mike Brown, yadda, yadda. Facts are facts, boobie lips. If you want to argue that LeBron is better than Bird and Magic, I would agree.ThomasFremont said:
Disagree.RoadDawg55 said:
LBJ is not underrated. He's one of the best of all time. Trying to compare him to Jordan is FS though. It's not even close.Doogles said:And to think I almost didn't click "post discussion"
I've moved to a much seedier dive and have switched from bloodies to Jameson and headlands ipa.
I'll keep drinking while the slap fight ensues. LBJ is underrated by this board, but Jordan kept hall of famers from wearing rings. My initial comment was more to the point that Jordan was beaten in his prime and didn't make the finals. Any Houston fans can also call Bullshit on the claim Olajuwon only won bc Jordan wasn't there. He was, he just missed the dance.
Jordan has 6-0.
LeBron has everything else. Against better competition.
If you think the 80s-90s NBA was better than the current version, go light yourself on fire.
This isn't even a debate.
The skill level in the modern era is at an all-time high.
The athleticism is at an all-time high.
What are these stacked teams you are referring to, besides the aging Lakers/Celtics dynasties, the Pistons that stomped MJ until they fell apart, and MJ's own Bulls?
I recently watched my buddy play an international rugby friendly at kezar stadium. It was a collection of nor cal Allstars(some are USA eagles) vs. the best collegiate team in England.
Although clearly more talented/athletic the all star adults got their shit pushed in by the regimented young bucks.
Being a team matters, today's nba (minus the spurs) is a group of individuals and not a team. That's the problem in comparing eras. -
You realize my whole angle this entire thread has been towards narrowing the gap between the two, right?ThomasFremont said:
You realize that this notion of superior teams/supporting casts back in the day supports the LeBron is better than Jordan argument, right?Doogles said:
They were actual teams vz. Individuals.ThomasFremont said:
Yes it is.RoadDawg55 said:
LeBron might end up with more regular season MVP's. That's about it. The competition one isn't cut and dry. Top to bottom the league is much better now, but there were some pretty stacked teams in the 80's and 90's.ThomasFremont said:
Actually there are quite a few. That's the fucking point.RoadDawg55 said:
There isn't one objective measure to put LeBron above Jordan. Maybe LeBron will finish with more regular season MVP's if you want to stoop that low. But MJ had Pippen and Phil Jackson, LeBron had to play for Mike Brown, yadda, yadda. Facts are facts, boobie lips. If you want to argue that LeBron is better than Bird and Magic, I would agree.ThomasFremont said:
Disagree.RoadDawg55 said:
LBJ is not underrated. He's one of the best of all time. Trying to compare him to Jordan is FS though. It's not even close.Doogles said:And to think I almost didn't click "post discussion"
I've moved to a much seedier dive and have switched from bloodies to Jameson and headlands ipa.
I'll keep drinking while the slap fight ensues. LBJ is underrated by this board, but Jordan kept hall of famers from wearing rings. My initial comment was more to the point that Jordan was beaten in his prime and didn't make the finals. Any Houston fans can also call Bullshit on the claim Olajuwon only won bc Jordan wasn't there. He was, he just missed the dance.
Jordan has 6-0.
LeBron has everything else. Against better competition.
If you think the 80s-90s NBA was better than the current version, go light yourself on fire.
This isn't even a debate.
The skill level in the modern era is at an all-time high.
The athleticism is at an all-time high.
What are these stacked teams you are referring to, besides the aging Lakers/Celtics dynasties, the Pistons that stomped MJ until they fell apart, and MJ's own Bulls?
I recently watched my buddy play an international rugby friendly at kezar stadium. It was a collection of nor cal Allstars(some are USA eagles) vs. the best collegiate team in England.
Although clearly more talented/athletic the all star adults got their shit pushed in by the regimented young bucks.
Being a team matters, today's nba (minus the spurs) is a group of individuals and not a team. That's the problem in comparing eras. -
The gap isn't narrowing. It's widening. In LeBron's favor.Doogles said:
You realize my whole angle this entire thread has been towards narrowing the gap between the two, right?ThomasFremont said:
You realize that this notion of superior teams/supporting casts back in the day supports the LeBron is better than Jordan argument, right?Doogles said:
They were actual teams vz. Individuals.ThomasFremont said:
Yes it is.RoadDawg55 said:
LeBron might end up with more regular season MVP's. That's about it. The competition one isn't cut and dry. Top to bottom the league is much better now, but there were some pretty stacked teams in the 80's and 90's.ThomasFremont said:
Actually there are quite a few. That's the fucking point.RoadDawg55 said:
There isn't one objective measure to put LeBron above Jordan. Maybe LeBron will finish with more regular season MVP's if you want to stoop that low. But MJ had Pippen and Phil Jackson, LeBron had to play for Mike Brown, yadda, yadda. Facts are facts, boobie lips. If you want to argue that LeBron is better than Bird and Magic, I would agree.ThomasFremont said:
Disagree.RoadDawg55 said:
LBJ is not underrated. He's one of the best of all time. Trying to compare him to Jordan is FS though. It's not even close.Doogles said:And to think I almost didn't click "post discussion"
I've moved to a much seedier dive and have switched from bloodies to Jameson and headlands ipa.
I'll keep drinking while the slap fight ensues. LBJ is underrated by this board, but Jordan kept hall of famers from wearing rings. My initial comment was more to the point that Jordan was beaten in his prime and didn't make the finals. Any Houston fans can also call Bullshit on the claim Olajuwon only won bc Jordan wasn't there. He was, he just missed the dance.
Jordan has 6-0.
LeBron has everything else. Against better competition.
If you think the 80s-90s NBA was better than the current version, go light yourself on fire.
This isn't even a debate.
The skill level in the modern era is at an all-time high.
The athleticism is at an all-time high.
What are these stacked teams you are referring to, besides the aging Lakers/Celtics dynasties, the Pistons that stomped MJ until they fell apart, and MJ's own Bulls?
I recently watched my buddy play an international rugby friendly at kezar stadium. It was a collection of nor cal Allstars(some are USA eagles) vs. the best collegiate team in England.
Although clearly more talented/athletic the all star adults got their shit pushed in by the regimented young bucks.
Being a team matters, today's nba (minus the spurs) is a group of individuals and not a team. That's the problem in comparing eras.
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Everybody had two hall of famers during that era.RoadDawg55 said:
The Jazz had two hall of famers and won 64 and 62 games the two years they made the finals.greenblood said:
I might be a homer to some degree, but the 1992 Blazers with Drexler, Porter, Kersey, and Robinson has been long considered one of the best NBA teams in history NOT to win a championship.RaceBannon said:I will argue that claiming the East has been so bad all 5 years is dooging at its finest. Winners win and Lebron owns the East.
Same folks claim the pac 12 doesn't suck even though oregon wins it rather easily
Jordan beat a shitty West every year other than Phoenix
Why not just let the results stand? Jordan doesn't get blamed for 95 because he was playing baseball.
Pippen claiming he was a good as Lebron is what deserves shit
Hakeem and Clyde (later charles)
Barkley and kevin johnson
Drexler Ainge
Payton Kemp
NBA hall of fame doesnt mean shit
There's a reason stockton and malone never won shit. They were longevity stat-compilers, but not really all that outstanding. On top of that, they were just about ready to collect their social security checks when Jordan faced hem in the finals.
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WTF'd for listing Ainge and Kemp as hall of famers. Kemp may have been if cocaine hadn't have won. Ainge? You do realize he spent most of his career as a pretty good backup PG, right?SevenEleven said:
Everybody had two hall of famers during that era.RoadDawg55 said:
The Jazz had two hall of famers and won 64 and 62 games the two years they made the finals.greenblood said:
I might be a homer to some degree, but the 1992 Blazers with Drexler, Porter, Kersey, and Robinson has been long considered one of the best NBA teams in history NOT to win a championship.RaceBannon said:I will argue that claiming the East has been so bad all 5 years is dooging at its finest. Winners win and Lebron owns the East.
Same folks claim the pac 12 doesn't suck even though oregon wins it rather easily
Jordan beat a shitty West every year other than Phoenix
Why not just let the results stand? Jordan doesn't get blamed for 95 because he was playing baseball.
Pippen claiming he was a good as Lebron is what deserves shit
Hakeem and Clyde (later charles)
Barkley and kevin johnson
Drexler Ainge
Payton Kemp
NBA hall of fame doesnt mean shit
There's a reason stockton and malone never won shit. They were longevity stat-compilers, but not really all that outstanding. On top of that, they were just about ready to collect their social security checks when Jordan faced hem in the finals.
