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Heaps As A Cautionary Tale

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  • GuadalajaraGringo
    GuadalajaraGringo Member Posts: 7
    His dream was to play at UW. His parents sound like a nightmare.
  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,387
    For sure. It sounds like his parents' marriage was in a bad place and they invested so much time and effort into his career as a crutch.

    The crutch gave way after he didn't succeed at BYU so his parents divorced after he left BYU.

    Regardless, he should've redshirted and nearly every QB should. Heaps' story is one of the reasons why I think Browning has a better than 50% chance of redshirting though Browning did participate in spring ball and Heaps didn't.

    Plus Browning doesn't appear to have helicopter parents and played in a tougher league so he is more prepared to play as a true frosh than Heaps was.

    So I really have no idea.

    His dream was to play at UW. His parents sound like a nightmare.

  • PurpleBaze
    PurpleBaze Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,319 Founders Club
  • Gladstone
    Gladstone Member Posts: 16,419
    Hmm, surprisingly interesting read.
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    I read the article. Jake Heaps seems like a pathetic loser.
  • Cougzz
    Cougzz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 307 Swaye's Wigwam
    And changes his clothes in a porta potty.
  • The_Undertaker
    The_Undertaker Member Posts: 521
    The story is interesting for every young QB out there, but I came out of it still not really understanding how, from a pure football perspective, he went from #1 QB in the country to sucking that much. Or does he not suck but lost his mental strength? What is it?
    Someone should send this article to Skinny Eason.
    There is a chance it is a similar situation, you're right. Hard to have the maturity to go against your parents at that age.
  • TTJ
    TTJ Member Posts: 4,827

    The story is interesting for every young QB out there, but I came out of it still not really understanding how, from a pure football perspective, he went from #1 QB in the country to sucking that much. Or does he not suck but lost his mental strength? What is it?

    It's actually not that rare for these guys to bust under the weight of being labeled #1. Here is Rivals' #1 ranked QB prospect, 2002 to present:

    2002 Vince Young
    2003 Kyle Wright
    2004 Rhett Bomar
    2005 Mark Sanchez
    2006 Matthew Stafford
    2007 Jimmy Clausen
    2008 Terrelle Pryor
    2009 Matt Barkley
    2010 Jake Heaps
    2011 Jeff Driskel
    2012 Jameis Winston
    2013 Max Browne
    2014 Kyle Allen
    2015 Josh Rosen
    2016 Shea Patterson

    I'd also point out that 2010 was one of only two years in this period that no QB made Rivals' top 10 players overall. Heaps was ranked #63 overall in 2010; Driskel was ranked #32 overall in 2011.
  • RaccoonHarry
    RaccoonHarry Member Posts: 2,161
    Up vote for bobbing his knob.
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    AZDuck said:

    @Swaye - another one for the death list - "GuadalajaraGringo"

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    Why did he hit the bricks? I try to put reasons down now. I'm thorough and shit.
  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    Swaye said:

    AZDuck said:

    @Swaye - another one for the death list - "GuadalajaraGringo"

    image

    Why did he hit the bricks? I try to put reasons down now. I'm thorough and shit.
    Axe Stalin.
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    AZDuck said:

    Swaye said:

    AZDuck said:

    @Swaye - another one for the death list - "GuadalajaraGringo"

    image

    Why did he hit the bricks? I try to put reasons down now. I'm thorough and shit.
    Axe Stalin.
    I'll mark him down as FBA until I hear otherwise.
  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,381
    @DerekJohnson what's the deal with "GuadalajaraGringo?"
  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,726 Founders Club
    Browning will be good. I stake my rep on it. He throws dimes.
  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,616 Standard Supporter
    ^ I'm also a Browning believer based on a few articles and Youtube. Somebody said he was the best QB to ever come from Sacramento.
  • droggins
    droggins Member Posts: 804
    DHD said:

    According to the article, mom and dad get most of the blame for fucking up his head, fucking up his recruitment and fucking up his time at BYU. Got it.

    So, he jettisons mom and dad at the end of his BYU career.

    Who gets the blame for Kansas, Miami and the basement of his in-laws house in University Place?

    #jesus
  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    DHD said:

    According to the article, mom and dad get most of the blame for fucking up his head, fucking up his recruitment and fucking up his time at BYU. Got it.

    So, he jettisons mom and dad at the end of his BYU career.

    Who gets the blame for Kansas, Miami and the basement of his in-laws house in University Place?

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  • Dennis_DeYoung
    Dennis_DeYoung Member Posts: 14,754
    Doogles said:

    Browning will be good. I stake my rep on it. He throws dimes.

    Wait, what rep? ;) <----- faggy wink, $75k!!! Lolooollolol!!1!
  • CaptainPJ
    CaptainPJ Member Posts: 2,986
    Sounds like Millenials are a bunch of spoiled $75K pussies - shocker.

    I'm sure they're having a great time today, and wouldn't expect to see them at work tomorrow.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    Fair warning that this is a bit TL, DR ... but I have some fairly strong thoughts on this as it hits relatively close at home for me ...

    Unfortunately this is way too big of a problem for a number of children/parents across a number of different sports. Too many parents view the select teams, lessons, travel, etc. for their kids tied to sports as future investments that they are making against their future professional salaries instead of investments in allowing their kids to pursue their dreams while learning/growing as young people.

    On one hand, I feel very bad for Jake Heaps because I understand the pressures that parents can put on a kid. As a kid, you try to do your best to handle those pressures while maintaining your relationship with your parents ... and way too often the relationship falls apart in the long run when the kid finally decides to pursue his own path. Textbook example of what happened with Heaps.

    I recall when Heaps' mother would be all over the Doogman boreds saying this and that. It was quite clear to me (given I have some experience in observing this behavior) that this was a case of an overprotective parent that was way too involved. There was nothing that came out of that story that was overly surprising to me.

    Of course, CEO KJV runs his mouth off about how "parents visit these boreds" and all the things that come with that ... and that's very much true from that regard. What the article completely missed was calling out TBS websites for how much they perpetuate this kind of behavior from both kids and parents. Parents see where their kid is ranked, see $$$ signs in their eyes, and start pursuing, getting butthurt, etc. about things that honestly don't really matter. Kids CAN see the rankings as some kind of validation about how great they are and allow them to become and act entitled as if they are the gift of the world. Once kids start acting like that, they lose their hunger and will almost assuredly fail to reach their potential ... which is what happened to Heaps.

    The bottom line is that the difference between High School level and the College level is night and day. It's so much more the exception than the rule that a true freshman will be able to come into a program at any position and contribute right away. And likewise, there is a huge difference between the College level and the Professional level. Most rookies have high moments and some considerably low moments during their first year in the league. As an athlete (and really this is true for everybody), if you aren't getting better, you're probably going to get passed along the way.

    I've had a few people in passing bring up Eason as an example of whether he's going down the Jake Heaps route. I don't know enough one way or another to say whether he is or isn't. What I will say is that if he and his family is, they'd be well served to read this article on Heaps and take a nice long look in the mirror and perhaps a long walk outside and reconsider their perspective. If they aren't, then good on them.

    My general opinion when I look at how Chris Peterson recruits is that these are some of the character traits that he's looking to identify in the recruiting process from both kid and parent. Those that have these traits are strong candidates to underperform and wash out of programs ... particularly when they don't get what they feel they are entitled to (notice that this is what generally leads to comments such as a coach has an alternative motive, it's not my fault, etc.). Let those kids go hang out with Seven down at USC ... we'll focus on the kids that have a chip on their shoulder and are always working on improving. After all, that's ALWAYS been the Washington way when we've been successful as a program.
  • digits
    digits Member Posts: 1,748
    Jesus, what a fucking joke. Spoiled Mormon kid, with parents that are way too involved/obsessed with their kid's life because they are Mormon and have no lives of their own, think the world owes them something, yet act like they own it. Sounds like standard operating procedure to me.
  • CokeGreaterThanPepsi
    CokeGreaterThanPepsi Member Posts: 7,646
    Tequilla said:

    Fair warning that this is a bit TL, DR ... but I have some fairly strong thoughts on this as it hits relatively close at home for me ...

    Unfortunately this is way too big of a problem for a number of children/parents across a number of different sports. Too many parents view the select teams, lessons, travel, etc. for their kids tied to sports as future investments that they are making against their future professional salaries instead of investments in allowing their kids to pursue their dreams while learning/growing as young people.

    On one hand, I feel very bad for Jake Heaps because I understand the pressures that parents can put on a kid. As a kid, you try to do your best to handle those pressures while maintaining your relationship with your parents ... and way too often the relationship falls apart in the long run when the kid finally decides to pursue his own path. Textbook example of what happened with Heaps.

    I recall when Heaps' mother would be all over the Doogman boreds saying this and that. It was quite clear to me (given I have some experience in observing this behavior) that this was a case of an overprotective parent that was way too involved. There was nothing that came out of that story that was overly surprising to me.

    Of course, CEO KJV runs his mouth off about how "parents visit these boreds" and all the things that come with that ... and that's very much true from that regard. What the article completely missed was calling out TBS websites for how much they perpetuate this kind of behavior from both kids and parents. Parents see where their kid is ranked, see $$$ signs in their eyes, and start pursuing, getting butthurt, etc. about things that honestly don't really matter. Kids CAN see the rankings as some kind of validation about how great they are and allow them to become and act entitled as if they are the gift of the world. Once kids start acting like that, they lose their hunger and will almost assuredly fail to reach their potential ... which is what happened to Heaps.

    The bottom line is that the difference between High School level and the College level is night and day. It's so much more the exception than the rule that a true freshman will be able to come into a program at any position and contribute right away. And likewise, there is a huge difference between the College level and the Professional level. Most rookies have high moments and some considerably low moments during their first year in the league. As an athlete (and really this is true for everybody), if you aren't getting better, you're probably going to get passed along the way.

    I've had a few people in passing bring up Eason as an example of whether he's going down the Jake Heaps route. I don't know enough one way or another to say whether he is or isn't. What I will say is that if he and his family is, they'd be well served to read this article on Heaps and take a nice long look in the mirror and perhaps a long walk outside and reconsider their perspective. If they aren't, then good on them.

    My general opinion when I look at how Chris Peterson recruits is that these are some of the character traits that he's looking to identify in the recruiting process from both kid and parent. Those that have these traits are strong candidates to underperform and wash out of programs ... particularly when they don't get what they feel they are entitled to (notice that this is what generally leads to comments such as a coach has an alternative motive, it's not my fault, etc.). Let those kids go hang out with Seven down at USC ... we'll focus on the kids that have a chip on their shoulder and are always working on improving. After all, that's ALWAYS been the Washington way when we've been successful as a program.

    @Brook003, True?!?!