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Gary Player on Chambers Bay: 'One of the worst golf courses I've ever seen'
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Newcastle made the list based mostly on location/logistics. It's probably not quite difficult enough for the US Open.Tequilla said:
Tumble Creek regularly hosts qualifiers for USGA events (sectional qualifying this year) ... too far out of the way without a lodging infrastructure IMO to be able to host.ThomasFremont said:
Tumble CreekFire_Marshall_Bill said:Q for golf superiority guys: Can Sahalee host a US Open? I know they had the PGA in the late 90s and were supposed to have it again. I know the USO has more prestige (higher standards?). Are there other courses in that area that are capable?
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Newcastle
Washington National
No idea if/how any of them would work logistically. I don't think any of them are TUFF enough for the US Open. Maybe the PGA Championship though. At least they all have tress and look like the PNW.
I haven't played Newcastle so it's hard for me to say whether or not it is up to par for a USGA event.
Washington National is probably best for college level events. It's not an easy course (probably too easy for the professionals though). Biggest marks against it is that it is built in areas around a housing complex with a design that isn't the most fan friendly.
Gold Mountain's Olympic Course has hosted some USGA events. It's probably like Tumble Creek in the sense that it is too far out of the way without the underlying infrastructure to host a major championship. It's definitely in the Top 3-5 courses in the area.
The Home Course hosted a USGA championship last year, local qualifying for the US Open this year, and was a companion course to Chambers when it hosted the US Amateur in 2010. It's a solid course and could very easily test some of the better players (it's regularly used as a qualifying course). The course is generally fairly open and could handle probably a medium sized event. However, given its proximity to Chambers, there's no way it would be selected ahead of Chambers for a US Open.
Of all the courses I've played in the greater Seattle area, there's no question that Chambers is the best by far. I'll play TPC Snoqualmie Ridge later this summer and it hosts a Senior's event. From what I know about the course, I don't think it has the teeth to be a USGA site.
It's important to remember that the USGA generally wants a winning score for the US Open to be somewhere around par and for it not to turn into a birdie fest. When evaluating the merits of a course for a USGA event, the course needs to have a number of holes where par is considered a very good score. -
I predict that Jordan Spieth will win with a 5 under 275 total
The greens will be bumpy though and play a significant role in the final outcome -
Played Newcastle last night ...ThomasFremont said:
Newcastle made the list based mostly on location/logistics. It's probably not quite difficult enough for the US Open.Tequilla said:
Tumble Creek regularly hosts qualifiers for USGA events (sectional qualifying this year) ... too far out of the way without a lodging infrastructure IMO to be able to host.ThomasFremont said:
Tumble CreekFire_Marshall_Bill said:Q for golf superiority guys: Can Sahalee host a US Open? I know they had the PGA in the late 90s and were supposed to have it again. I know the USO has more prestige (higher standards?). Are there other courses in that area that are capable?
Keep responses under 600 words..you know who you are...
Newcastle
Washington National
No idea if/how any of them would work logistically. I don't think any of them are TUFF enough for the US Open. Maybe the PGA Championship though. At least they all have tress and look like the PNW.
I haven't played Newcastle so it's hard for me to say whether or not it is up to par for a USGA event.
Washington National is probably best for college level events. It's not an easy course (probably too easy for the professionals though). Biggest marks against it is that it is built in areas around a housing complex with a design that isn't the most fan friendly.
Gold Mountain's Olympic Course has hosted some USGA events. It's probably like Tumble Creek in the sense that it is too far out of the way without the underlying infrastructure to host a major championship. It's definitely in the Top 3-5 courses in the area.
The Home Course hosted a USGA championship last year, local qualifying for the US Open this year, and was a companion course to Chambers when it hosted the US Amateur in 2010. It's a solid course and could very easily test some of the better players (it's regularly used as a qualifying course). The course is generally fairly open and could handle probably a medium sized event. However, given its proximity to Chambers, there's no way it would be selected ahead of Chambers for a US Open.
Of all the courses I've played in the greater Seattle area, there's no question that Chambers is the best by far. I'll play TPC Snoqualmie Ridge later this summer and it hosts a Senior's event. From what I know about the course, I don't think it has the teeth to be a USGA site.
It's important to remember that the USGA generally wants a winning score for the US Open to be somewhere around par and for it not to turn into a birdie fest. When evaluating the merits of a course for a USGA event, the course needs to have a number of holes where par is considered a very good score.
Not sure that there's enough room for spectators ...
IMO, definitely not that difficult of a course. The only parts of the course that are difficult are a couple of shots here and there ... otherwise you can hit it pretty much all over the lot and the greens are far from difficult.
The green fees there are ridiculous ... you definitely pay for the view. Probably explains why CEO KJV and the LPT like playing there so much. -
China Creek or Coal Creek? I don't remember which is which, but one is significantly harder than the other.Tequilla said:
Played Newcastle last night ...ThomasFremont said:
Newcastle made the list based mostly on location/logistics. It's probably not quite difficult enough for the US Open.Tequilla said:
Tumble Creek regularly hosts qualifiers for USGA events (sectional qualifying this year) ... too far out of the way without a lodging infrastructure IMO to be able to host.ThomasFremont said:
Tumble CreekFire_Marshall_Bill said:Q for golf superiority guys: Can Sahalee host a US Open? I know they had the PGA in the late 90s and were supposed to have it again. I know the USO has more prestige (higher standards?). Are there other courses in that area that are capable?
Keep responses under 600 words..you know who you are...
Newcastle
Washington National
No idea if/how any of them would work logistically. I don't think any of them are TUFF enough for the US Open. Maybe the PGA Championship though. At least they all have tress and look like the PNW.
I haven't played Newcastle so it's hard for me to say whether or not it is up to par for a USGA event.
Washington National is probably best for college level events. It's not an easy course (probably too easy for the professionals though). Biggest marks against it is that it is built in areas around a housing complex with a design that isn't the most fan friendly.
Gold Mountain's Olympic Course has hosted some USGA events. It's probably like Tumble Creek in the sense that it is too far out of the way without the underlying infrastructure to host a major championship. It's definitely in the Top 3-5 courses in the area.
The Home Course hosted a USGA championship last year, local qualifying for the US Open this year, and was a companion course to Chambers when it hosted the US Amateur in 2010. It's a solid course and could very easily test some of the better players (it's regularly used as a qualifying course). The course is generally fairly open and could handle probably a medium sized event. However, given its proximity to Chambers, there's no way it would be selected ahead of Chambers for a US Open.
Of all the courses I've played in the greater Seattle area, there's no question that Chambers is the best by far. I'll play TPC Snoqualmie Ridge later this summer and it hosts a Senior's event. From what I know about the course, I don't think it has the teeth to be a USGA site.
It's important to remember that the USGA generally wants a winning score for the US Open to be somewhere around par and for it not to turn into a birdie fest. When evaluating the merits of a course for a USGA event, the course needs to have a number of holes where par is considered a very good score.
Not sure that there's enough room for spectators ...
IMO, definitely not that difficult of a course. The only parts of the course that are difficult are a couple of shots here and there ... otherwise you can hit it pretty much all over the lot and the greens are far from difficult.
The green fees there are ridiculous ... you definitely pay for the view. Probably explains why CEO KJV and the LPT like playing there so much. -
Coal Creek
There are no question some tough shots on the course. That being said, the driving areas are very forgiving and the biggest problems come from either blind shots or having course knowledge on how far you can carry on a few holes.
If I could get over my Tiger problems of hitting short irons off the tee on par 3's, I would have shot in the low 80s from the blues, which is a really solid score for me. -
Pourin' out a 40 for Interbay.
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Palouse Ridge
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The only thing I know about golf courses is they are deadly. High school assistant basketball coach got drunk the night before his best man's wedding and they all took carts out on a course and drove around crazy. Ends up flying into a sand trap and killing himself. Talk about a depressing event.
But still, chambers looked like shit. -
Cool story bro.Doogles said:The only thing I know about golf courses is they are deadly. High school assistant basketball coach got drunk the night before his best man's wedding and they all took carts out on a course and drove around crazy. Ends up flying into a sand trap and killing himself. Talk about a depressing event.
But still, chambers looked like shit. -
Not everybody can be Bam Margera and Ryan Dunn (RIP)Doogles said:The only thing I know about golf courses is they are deadly. High school assistant basketball coach got drunk the night before his best man's wedding and they all took carts out on a course and drove around crazy. Ends up flying into a sand trap and killing himself. Talk about a depressing event.
But still, chambers looked like shit.
