Romar and this roster management, DNC (free pub!) and other hoop experts chime in, fuck it it's off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL41QZe_8TMand Mathew Attewe (NCAA has to let him play or the kid will be 26 by the time he gets out of college) and Noah Dickerson. All three are true low post players, and it looks like Romar is scrapping the High post bullshit offense. Add in Marquesse Chriss and that is a formidable front court, and players UW has rarely seen under Romar. I know he can recruit wings and guards, but this front court is impressive. Lots of SEC type bigs coming to Montlake to play with the wings Romar recruited.
I am reluctant to expect anything immediate next season, but the cluster fuck of talent Romar has put on the court the last two years was unwatchable.
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Winters was also pretty damn good at Indian Hills. The transition to pac12 isn't going to be easy for all. UW was always best with 6'8/9" type "bigs" who run the floor and can defend. Whether or not any of these guys can actually play that role is still up for debate. I know next year we'll see a chorus of "young team" comments. Most of the bigs need seasoning. Attewe wasn't exactly special at auburn, and has been hurt most of his career. Noah is a project. Dime looks to be the most game ready outside of Attewe.
This year is going to be ugly. Followed by a few more kids leaving when they don't get PT. Having 8 or 9 new players on a team is not a solid resume builder in year 14. I expect to see at least 3 or 4 leave next year(including one specific player to the nba draft). -
For the record, I was in favor of firing Romar after last season. I think we could have still attracted a quality coach who could have kept a lot of the recruits here, and if they have a shitty year this year and fire him, the program will be completely fucked. Not only were they shitty last year but Romar looked and acted like he didn't give a fuck at all. He showed no emotion during and after games, and played the part of a tenured guy collecting a paycheck. When UW was good, Romar was spinning around, yelling, stamping his feet, throwing his jacket, and getting technicals.
That being said, if Romar is going to turn this thing around, he is doing it the right way.
1. Get rid of all the pussies currently on the team - CHECK (except for Winters)
2. Bring in a bunch of athletic, aggressive players - CHECK
3. Ditch the high-post and go back to rat ball - This hasn't been confirmed but I'd assume this is where they're heading (Brad Jackson, however is still coaching so who knows)
4. Bring back Angry Romar who actually cares about his job - This is yet to be seen but recent reports from shoot-arounds and incoming player shit say that Romar is way more focused and intense than he has been over the last 4 or 5 years.
The team will probably be shit this year since they are bringing in an entirely new roster, and, as has been mentioned, if they completely suck, Romar and all these young players will be gone after next season. At that point, whoever is coaching the 4th place team in the WCC (LMU, Santa Clara, Portland, who knows) will likely be hired as coach and the team will ride the cellar of the Pac for 4 years until he is fired. However, Romar seems to be going about things the right way with what he has at this point and we may end up surprised. -
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For the record, I was in favor of firing Romar after last season. I think we could have still attracted a quality coach who could have kept a lot of the recruits here, and if they have a shitty year this year and fire him, the program will be completely fucked. Not only were they shitty last year but Romar looked and acted like he didn't give a fuck at all. He showed no emotion during and after games, and played the part of a tenured guy collecting a paycheck. When UW was good, Romar was spinning around, yelling, stamping his feet, throwing his jacket, and getting technicals.
That being said, if Romar is going to turn this thing around, he is doing it the right way.
1. Get rid of all the pussies currently on the team - CHECK (except for Winters)
2. Bring in a bunch of athletic, aggressive players - CHECK
3. Ditch the high-post and go back to rat ball - This hasn't been confirmed but I'd assume this is where they're heading (Brad Jackson, however is still coaching so who knows)
4. Bring back Angry Romar who actually cares about his job - This is yet to be seen but recent reports from shoot-arounds and incoming player shit say that Romar is way more focused and intense than he has been over the last 4 or 5 years.
The team will probably be shit this year since they are bringing in an entirely new roster, and, as has been mentioned, if they completely suck, Romar and all these young players will be gone after next season. At that point, whoever is coaching the 4th place team in the WCC (LMU, Santa Clara, Portland, who knows) will likely be hired as coach and the team will ride the cellar of the Pac for 4 years until he is fired. However, Romar seems to be going about things the right way with what he has at this point and we may end up surprised.
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Who originally poasted this gem?bananasnblondes said:For the record, I was in favor of firing Romar after last season. I think we could have still attracted a quality coach who could have kept a lot of the recruits here, and if they have a shitty year this year and fire him, the program will be completely fucked. Not only were they shitty last year but Romar looked and acted like he didn't give a fuck at all. He showed no emotion during and after games, and played the part of a tenured guy collecting a paycheck. When UW was good, Romar was spinning around, yelling, stamping his feet, throwing his jacket, and getting technicals.
That being said, if Romar is going to turn this thing around, he is doing it the right way.
1. Get rid of all the pussies currently on the team - CHECK (except for Winters)
2. Bring in a bunch of athletic, aggressive players - CHECK
3. Ditch the high-post and go back to rat ball - This hasn't been confirmed but I'd assume this is where they're heading (Brad Jackson, however is still coaching so who knows)
4. Bring back Angry Romar who actually cares about his job - This is yet to be seen but recent reports from shoot-arounds and incoming player shit say that Romar is way more focused and intense than he has been over the last 4 or 5 years.
The team will probably be shit this year since they are bringing in an entirely new roster, and, as has been mentioned, if they completely suck, Romar and all these young players will be gone after next season. At that point, whoever is coaching the 4th place team in the WCC (LMU, Santa Clara, Portland, who knows) will likely be hired as coach and the team will ride the cellar of the Pac for 4 years until he is fired. However, Romar seems to be going about things the right way with what he has at this point and we may end up surprised. -
That motherfucker looks like a robot.
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I support coach Romarbananasnblondes said:For the record, I was in favor of firing Romar after last season. I think we could have still attracted a quality coach who could have kept a lot of the recruits here, and if they have a shitty year this year and fire him, the program will be completely fucked. Not only were they shitty last year but Romar looked and acted like he didn't give a fuck at all. He showed no emotion during and after games, and played the part of a tenured guy collecting a paycheck. When UW was good, Romar was spinning around, yelling, stamping his feet, throwing his jacket, and getting technicals.
That being said, if Romar is going to turn this thing around, he is doing it the right way.
1. Get rid of all the pussies currently on the team - CHECK (except for Winters)
2. Bring in a bunch of athletic, aggressive players - CHECK
3. Ditch the high-post and go back to rat ball - This hasn't been confirmed but I'd assume this is where they're heading (Brad Jackson, however is still coaching so who knows)
4. Bring back Angry Romar who actually cares about his job - This is yet to be seen but recent reports from shoot-arounds and incoming player shit say that Romar is way more focused and intense than he has been over the last 4 or 5 years.
The team will probably be shit this year since they are bringing in an entirely new roster, and, as has been mentioned, if they completely suck, Romar and all these young players will be gone after next season. At that point, whoever is coaching the 4th place team in the WCC (LMU, Santa Clara, Portland, who knows) will likely be hired as coach and the team will ride the cellar of the Pac for 4 years until he is fired. However, Romar seems to be going about things the right way with what he has at this point and we may end up surprised. -
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UW will be bad again next year. The recruiting class will likely be a facade. Other than Andrews, the program has no quality returning players. Even Andrews hasn't shown to be any better than possibly above average.
As for the freshmen, it's a great class. For UW. He rankings are kind of a facade though. UW signed so many players that it helps the rankings. If a team signed one five star and one four star they would be ranked below UW. It's a class that could be a foundation for future years.
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Remember the season that Dorsey had? Expect that for a lot of these guys, with the exception they will have more opportunities to work through (at least hopefully) their issues in game situations.
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Agree, but most of these guys, except possibly Green, have more to offer than Dorsey.huskyhooligan said:Remember the season that Dorsey had? Expect that for a lot of these guys, with the exception they will have more opportunities to work through (at least hopefully) their issues in game situations.
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This class has much more athleticism than Dorsey. Don't expect them to be physically limited on defense.RoadDawg55 said:
Agree, but most of these guys, except possibly Green, have more to offer than Dorsey.huskyhooligan said:Remember the season that Dorsey had? Expect that for a lot of these guys, with the exception they will have more opportunities to work through (at least hopefully) their issues in game situations.
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Dorsey started the year pretty well for a freshman. I think he was on that tournament team they played down in California and was hitting big threes. Thennnnnnnn not much after that. So much of his game in high school was breaking down defenders but he was timid in the bigger stronger faster college game. I still like his upside. I like all of the players they signed upside. (wink wink)
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I think Dorsey will likely end up sucking. Maybe he can become a good role player. Hopefully he loses some weight and gets used to the speed of the game. He was really bad at everything except spot up shooting, and even his shooting wasn't great after the first month of the season.huskyhooligan said:Dorsey started the year pretty well for a freshman. I think he was on that tournament team they played down in California and was hitting big threes. Thennnnnnnn not much after that. So much of his game in high school was breaking down defenders but he was timid in the bigger stronger faster college game. I still like his upside. I like all of the players they signed upside. (wink wink)
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Dorsey was also about the 4th or 5th option on the court when he was on the floor. This team will have most of it's players going against elite players at zona, or more seasoned vets at other schools. Romar has never been one to excel with inexperienced talent.RoadDawg55 said:
Agree, but most of these guys, except possibly Green, have more to offer than Dorsey.huskyhooligan said:Remember the season that Dorsey had? Expect that for a lot of these guys, with the exception they will have more opportunities to work through (at least hopefully) their issues in game situations.
Dorsey was proto frosh. Had glimmers, wasn't ready for the speed or the physical nature of the game. Will likely look a lot better next year or will be another transfer when frosh are playing over him. I don't expect much other than a role player/shooter off the bench. Which, btw, teams need to succeed. I just don't see him as some electric player who is going to be all conference. He did surprise me how big he was last year, and maybe he gets cut over the offseason and gains some explosion on his game.
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Juco and transfer may be okay, but i don't expect any frosh to be good on defense. It's less common than frosh who can score consistently. It may be the speed, physical nature, or just the fact that many of these kids have never actually played defense before(thanks AAU). I just don't see this as being a good mix. Usually you need some experience on the floor to make your defense less exposed playing youngn's. Instead it's going to be a full team of them.ThomasFremont said:
This class has much more athleticism than Dorsey. Don't expect them to be physically limited on defense.RoadDawg55 said:
Agree, but most of these guys, except possibly Green, have more to offer than Dorsey.huskyhooligan said:Remember the season that Dorsey had? Expect that for a lot of these guys, with the exception they will have more opportunities to work through (at least hopefully) their issues in game situations.
I agree, the athletes are better and over a year or two development they could be WAY better defensively, but next year is going to be ugly. Everyone remember the likes of Ross trying to play defense his frosh year???? Where'd whooooo gooooo? -
How the fuck does Coach Cal do it? Terrence Jones outplayed MBA head to head, and I'm positive Terrance Ross and Wroten would have excelled playing Kentucky ball as true Freshman. So is it the coach or the system? Duke and a ton of other schools not named UW can play true freshman, and succeed.FreeChavez said:
Juco and transfer may be okay, but i don't expect any frosh to be good on defense. It's less common than frosh who can score consistently. It may be the speed, physical nature, or just the fact that many of these kids have never actually played defense before(thanks AAU). I just don't see this as being a good mix. Usually you need some experience on the floor to make your defense less exposed playing youngn's. Instead it's going to be a full team of them.ThomasFremont said:
This class has much more athleticism than Dorsey. Don't expect them to be physically limited on defense.RoadDawg55 said:
Agree, but most of these guys, except possibly Green, have more to offer than Dorsey.huskyhooligan said:Remember the season that Dorsey had? Expect that for a lot of these guys, with the exception they will have more opportunities to work through (at least hopefully) their issues in game situations.
I agree, the athletes are better and over a year or two development they could be WAY better defensively, but next year is going to be ugly. Everyone remember the likes of Ross trying to play defense his frosh year???? Where'd whooooo gooooo?
Anyway, Dime looks like he may actually be good next year.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Malik-Dime-155479 -
Murray and Thybulle are both good defenders.FreeChavez said:
Juco and transfer may be okay, but i don't expect any frosh to be good on defense. It's less common than frosh who can score consistently. It may be the speed, physical nature, or just the fact that many of these kids have never actually played defense before(thanks AAU). I just don't see this as being a good mix. Usually you need some experience on the floor to make your defense less exposed playing youngn's. Instead it's going to be a full team of them.ThomasFremont said:
This class has much more athleticism than Dorsey. Don't expect them to be physically limited on defense.RoadDawg55 said:
Agree, but most of these guys, except possibly Green, have more to offer than Dorsey.huskyhooligan said:Remember the season that Dorsey had? Expect that for a lot of these guys, with the exception they will have more opportunities to work through (at least hopefully) their issues in game situations.
I agree, the athletes are better and over a year or two development they could be WAY better defensively, but next year is going to be ugly. Everyone remember the likes of Ross trying to play defense his frosh year???? Where'd whooooo gooooo?
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I think Chriss will be a good defender. The problem is athleticism does not always equal playing good defense. Some of these guys will be dumbasses with very little to no concept of team defense, they will ball watch too often, give inconsistent effort, etc.
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Wroten led the team in steals and was absolutely horrid on defense. Steals can be a good tracking of defensive ability, and it also can be a complete misnomer. I don't know which murray will be, but he seems different than wroten in pure effort, so i expect him to be better.ThomasFremont said:
Murray and Thybulle are both good defenders.FreeChavez said:
Juco and transfer may be okay, but i don't expect any frosh to be good on defense. It's less common than frosh who can score consistently. It may be the speed, physical nature, or just the fact that many of these kids have never actually played defense before(thanks AAU). I just don't see this as being a good mix. Usually you need some experience on the floor to make your defense less exposed playing youngn's. Instead it's going to be a full team of them.ThomasFremont said:
This class has much more athleticism than Dorsey. Don't expect them to be physically limited on defense.RoadDawg55 said:
Agree, but most of these guys, except possibly Green, have more to offer than Dorsey.huskyhooligan said:Remember the season that Dorsey had? Expect that for a lot of these guys, with the exception they will have more opportunities to work through (at least hopefully) their issues in game situations.
I agree, the athletes are better and over a year or two development they could be WAY better defensively, but next year is going to be ugly. Everyone remember the likes of Ross trying to play defense his frosh year???? Where'd whooooo gooooo?
Murray will lead the team in steals next year. Guaranteed.
But ross wasn't the wroten type defender and elite athlete and struggled quite a bit on team defense.
One on one players can get away with a lot defensively. But team defense, the thing UW has been getting smoked on the last few years will most likely be very poor. -
If you really think that UK and UW are getting anywhere near the same level of players........come on. UK is the only school outside of one year of the FAB 5 who has played predominately frosh and won at a high level. Yes, teams like duke will have a couple of frosh, but they are also top 10 guys. They are not winning consistently with the 4* 80th prospect. Outside of UK, they also team those elite frosh with elite soph and sometimes upper classmen.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
How the fuck does Coach Cal do it? Terrence Jones outplayed MBA head to head, and I'm positive Terrance Ross and Wroten would have excelled playing Kentucky ball as true Freshman. So is it the coach or the system? Duke and a ton of other schools not named UW can play true freshman, and succeed.FreeChavez said:
Juco and transfer may be okay, but i don't expect any frosh to be good on defense. It's less common than frosh who can score consistently. It may be the speed, physical nature, or just the fact that many of these kids have never actually played defense before(thanks AAU). I just don't see this as being a good mix. Usually you need some experience on the floor to make your defense less exposed playing youngn's. Instead it's going to be a full team of them.ThomasFremont said:
This class has much more athleticism than Dorsey. Don't expect them to be physically limited on defense.RoadDawg55 said:
Agree, but most of these guys, except possibly Green, have more to offer than Dorsey.huskyhooligan said:Remember the season that Dorsey had? Expect that for a lot of these guys, with the exception they will have more opportunities to work through (at least hopefully) their issues in game situations.
I agree, the athletes are better and over a year or two development they could be WAY better defensively, but next year is going to be ugly. Everyone remember the likes of Ross trying to play defense his frosh year???? Where'd whooooo gooooo?
Anyway, Dime looks like he may actually be good next year.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Malik-Dime-155479
Getting a guy in the top 10-15 in the country each year(or 5 of them in UK's case), is not even close to the same as having 5 players ranked 60-100. It is the coach somewhat, but it's also the player(s). You need ELITE guys, not really good guys.
The coach does have something to do with it, as CAL has proved. Romar's worst coaching job was having terrance, cj and wroten on a team and not going far. Cal would have done so much more with that roster.
The elite 8 last year:
Notre Dame
UK
Wisc
Zona
Ville'
Michigan St
Duke
GU
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Have you ever seen RBV play? Their team defense is their calling card. The fast break points they get off steals compensate for their lack of a half court offense (sound familiar?). Murray is quick, has long arms, and constantly disrupts passing lanes. He has great hands too. Not just coordinated, but strong. Lots of guys tip passes or loose balls, but he manages to control them. Also helps his rebounding/put backs.FreeChavez said:
Wroten led the team in steals and was absolutely horrid on defense. Steals can be a good tracking of defensive ability, and it also can be a complete misnomer. I don't know which murray will be, but he seems different than wroten in pure effort, so i expect him to be better.ThomasFremont said:
Murray and Thybulle are both good defenders.FreeChavez said:
Juco and transfer may be okay, but i don't expect any frosh to be good on defense. It's less common than frosh who can score consistently. It may be the speed, physical nature, or just the fact that many of these kids have never actually played defense before(thanks AAU). I just don't see this as being a good mix. Usually you need some experience on the floor to make your defense less exposed playing youngn's. Instead it's going to be a full team of them.ThomasFremont said:
This class has much more athleticism than Dorsey. Don't expect them to be physically limited on defense.RoadDawg55 said:
Agree, but most of these guys, except possibly Green, have more to offer than Dorsey.huskyhooligan said:Remember the season that Dorsey had? Expect that for a lot of these guys, with the exception they will have more opportunities to work through (at least hopefully) their issues in game situations.
I agree, the athletes are better and over a year or two development they could be WAY better defensively, but next year is going to be ugly. Everyone remember the likes of Ross trying to play defense his frosh year???? Where'd whooooo gooooo?
Murray will lead the team in steals next year. Guaranteed.
But ross wasn't the wroten type defender and elite athlete and struggled quite a bit on team defense.
One on one players can get away with a lot defensively. But team defense, the thing UW has been getting smoked on the last few years will most likely be very poor.
I get what you are saying re: Wroten and steals, but Murray doesn't go for the all or nothing steals Wroten was notorious for (OLE!!!). He does have Wroten's quickness/speed. Also, let's not pretend another Tony Wroten wouldn't be a huge upgrade over the dreck we have been watching since he left. -
Romar could take the Kentucky class and fuck it up and I am positive Cal could have taken Ross, Wroten and Wilcox into the NCAA tournament. My point was Terrance Jones played great for Cal and would have probably under achieved at Washington under Romar as a freshmanFreeChavez said:
If you really think that UK and UW are getting anywhere near the same level of players........come on. UK is the only school outside of one year of the FAB 5 who has played predominately frosh and won at a high level. Yes, teams like duke will have a couple of frosh, but they are also top 10 guys. They are not winning consistently with the 4* 80th prospect. Outside of UK, they also team those elite frosh with elite soph and sometimes upper classmen.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
How the fuck does Coach Cal do it? Terrence Jones outplayed MBA head to head, and I'm positive Terrance Ross and Wroten would have excelled playing Kentucky ball as true Freshman. So is it the coach or the system? Duke and a ton of other schools not named UW can play true freshman, and succeed.FreeChavez said:
Juco and transfer may be okay, but i don't expect any frosh to be good on defense. It's less common than frosh who can score consistently. It may be the speed, physical nature, or just the fact that many of these kids have never actually played defense before(thanks AAU). I just don't see this as being a good mix. Usually you need some experience on the floor to make your defense less exposed playing youngn's. Instead it's going to be a full team of them.ThomasFremont said:
This class has much more athleticism than Dorsey. Don't expect them to be physically limited on defense.RoadDawg55 said:
Agree, but most of these guys, except possibly Green, have more to offer than Dorsey.huskyhooligan said:Remember the season that Dorsey had? Expect that for a lot of these guys, with the exception they will have more opportunities to work through (at least hopefully) their issues in game situations.
I agree, the athletes are better and over a year or two development they could be WAY better defensively, but next year is going to be ugly. Everyone remember the likes of Ross trying to play defense his frosh year???? Where'd whooooo gooooo?
Anyway, Dime looks like he may actually be good next year.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Malik-Dime-155479
Getting a guy in the top 10-15 in the country each year(or 5 of them in UK's case), is not even close to the same as having 5 players ranked 60-100. It is the coach somewhat, but it's also the player(s). You need ELITE guys, not really good guys.
The coach does have something to do with it, as CAL has proved. Romar's worst coaching job was having terrance, cj and wroten on a team and not going far. Cal would have done so much more with that roster.
The elite 8 last year:
Notre Dame
UK
Wisc
Zona
Ville'
Michigan St
Duke
GU
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Completely agree with your premise, but Terrance Jones would have been good at UW. Substitute him for Gant and taking 5-10 of Aziz/MBA's minutes. He was the missing link. MBA, Jones, Holliday, Ross/Wilcox, and IT as a late season line up... Damn. Aziz, Ross/Wilcox, Suggs, Venoy off the bench. That's a hell of a team.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Romar could take the Kentucky class and fuck it up and I am positive Cal could have taken Ross, Wroten and Wilcox into the NCAA tournament. My point was Terrance Jones played great for Cal and would have probably under achieved at Washington under Romar as a freshmanFreeChavez said:
If you really think that UK and UW are getting anywhere near the same level of players........come on. UK is the only school outside of one year of the FAB 5 who has played predominately frosh and won at a high level. Yes, teams like duke will have a couple of frosh, but they are also top 10 guys. They are not winning consistently with the 4* 80th prospect. Outside of UK, they also team those elite frosh with elite soph and sometimes upper classmen.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
How the fuck does Coach Cal do it? Terrence Jones outplayed MBA head to head, and I'm positive Terrance Ross and Wroten would have excelled playing Kentucky ball as true Freshman. So is it the coach or the system? Duke and a ton of other schools not named UW can play true freshman, and succeed.FreeChavez said:
Juco and transfer may be okay, but i don't expect any frosh to be good on defense. It's less common than frosh who can score consistently. It may be the speed, physical nature, or just the fact that many of these kids have never actually played defense before(thanks AAU). I just don't see this as being a good mix. Usually you need some experience on the floor to make your defense less exposed playing youngn's. Instead it's going to be a full team of them.ThomasFremont said:
This class has much more athleticism than Dorsey. Don't expect them to be physically limited on defense.RoadDawg55 said:
Agree, but most of these guys, except possibly Green, have more to offer than Dorsey.huskyhooligan said:Remember the season that Dorsey had? Expect that for a lot of these guys, with the exception they will have more opportunities to work through (at least hopefully) their issues in game situations.
I agree, the athletes are better and over a year or two development they could be WAY better defensively, but next year is going to be ugly. Everyone remember the likes of Ross trying to play defense his frosh year???? Where'd whooooo gooooo?
Anyway, Dime looks like he may actually be good next year.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Malik-Dime-155479
Getting a guy in the top 10-15 in the country each year(or 5 of them in UK's case), is not even close to the same as having 5 players ranked 60-100. It is the coach somewhat, but it's also the player(s). You need ELITE guys, not really good guys.
The coach does have something to do with it, as CAL has proved. Romar's worst coaching job was having terrance, cj and wroten on a team and not going far. Cal would have done so much more with that roster.
The elite 8 last year:
Notre Dame
UK
Wisc
Zona
Ville'
Michigan St
Duke
GU
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Also, let's not pretend anotherTony Wroten@ThomasFremont wouldn't be a huge upgrade over the dreck we have been watching since he left.
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Also, let's not pretend anotherFreeChavez said:Tony Wroten@ThomasFremont wouldn't be a huge upgrade over the dreck we have been watching since he left.
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This shit pisses me off. I feel like most of Romar teams would be re ranked much higher based on talent in retrospect. It's pretty incredible how little we've done with the goods at hand.RoadDawg55 said:
Completely agree with your premise, but Terrance Jones would have been good at UW. Substitute him for Gant and taking 5-10 of Aziz/MBA's minutes. He was the missing link. MBA, Jones, Holliday, Ross/Wilcox, and IT as a late season line up... Damn. Aziz, Ross/Wilcox, Suggs, Venoy off the bench. That's a hell of a team.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Romar could take the Kentucky class and fuck it up and I am positive Cal could have taken Ross, Wroten and Wilcox into the NCAA tournament. My point was Terrance Jones played great for Cal and would have probably under achieved at Washington under Romar as a freshmanFreeChavez said:
If you really think that UK and UW are getting anywhere near the same level of players........come on. UK is the only school outside of one year of the FAB 5 who has played predominately frosh and won at a high level. Yes, teams like duke will have a couple of frosh, but they are also top 10 guys. They are not winning consistently with the 4* 80th prospect. Outside of UK, they also team those elite frosh with elite soph and sometimes upper classmen.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
How the fuck does Coach Cal do it? Terrence Jones outplayed MBA head to head, and I'm positive Terrance Ross and Wroten would have excelled playing Kentucky ball as true Freshman. So is it the coach or the system? Duke and a ton of other schools not named UW can play true freshman, and succeed.FreeChavez said:
Juco and transfer may be okay, but i don't expect any frosh to be good on defense. It's less common than frosh who can score consistently. It may be the speed, physical nature, or just the fact that many of these kids have never actually played defense before(thanks AAU). I just don't see this as being a good mix. Usually you need some experience on the floor to make your defense less exposed playing youngn's. Instead it's going to be a full team of them.ThomasFremont said:
This class has much more athleticism than Dorsey. Don't expect them to be physically limited on defense.RoadDawg55 said:
Agree, but most of these guys, except possibly Green, have more to offer than Dorsey.huskyhooligan said:Remember the season that Dorsey had? Expect that for a lot of these guys, with the exception they will have more opportunities to work through (at least hopefully) their issues in game situations.
I agree, the athletes are better and over a year or two development they could be WAY better defensively, but next year is going to be ugly. Everyone remember the likes of Ross trying to play defense his frosh year???? Where'd whooooo gooooo?
Anyway, Dime looks like he may actually be good next year.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Malik-Dime-155479
Getting a guy in the top 10-15 in the country each year(or 5 of them in UK's case), is not even close to the same as having 5 players ranked 60-100. It is the coach somewhat, but it's also the player(s). You need ELITE guys, not really good guys.
The coach does have something to do with it, as CAL has proved. Romar's worst coaching job was having terrance, cj and wroten on a team and not going far. Cal would have done so much more with that roster.
The elite 8 last year:
Notre Dame
UK
Wisc
Zona
Ville'
Michigan St
Duke
GU
As it was, I still can't believe that team was a #7 seed that was squarely on the bubble before winning the Pac 10 tournament.
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3 first round picks out of 5 starters isn't good enough. Obviously you just don't get basketballDoogles said:
This shit pisses me off. I feel like most of Romar teams would be re ranked much higher based on talent in retrospect. It's pretty incredible how little we've done with the goods at hand.RoadDawg55 said:
Completely agree with your premise, but Terrance Jones would have been good at UW. Substitute him for Gant and taking 5-10 of Aziz/MBA's minutes. He was the missing link. MBA, Jones, Holliday, Ross/Wilcox, and IT as a late season line up... Damn. Aziz, Ross/Wilcox, Suggs, Venoy off the bench. That's a hell of a team.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
Romar could take the Kentucky class and fuck it up and I am positive Cal could have taken Ross, Wroten and Wilcox into the NCAA tournament. My point was Terrance Jones played great for Cal and would have probably under achieved at Washington under Romar as a freshmanFreeChavez said:
If you really think that UK and UW are getting anywhere near the same level of players........come on. UK is the only school outside of one year of the FAB 5 who has played predominately frosh and won at a high level. Yes, teams like duke will have a couple of frosh, but they are also top 10 guys. They are not winning consistently with the 4* 80th prospect. Outside of UK, they also team those elite frosh with elite soph and sometimes upper classmen.NeGgaPlEaSe said:
How the fuck does Coach Cal do it? Terrence Jones outplayed MBA head to head, and I'm positive Terrance Ross and Wroten would have excelled playing Kentucky ball as true Freshman. So is it the coach or the system? Duke and a ton of other schools not named UW can play true freshman, and succeed.FreeChavez said:
Juco and transfer may be okay, but i don't expect any frosh to be good on defense. It's less common than frosh who can score consistently. It may be the speed, physical nature, or just the fact that many of these kids have never actually played defense before(thanks AAU). I just don't see this as being a good mix. Usually you need some experience on the floor to make your defense less exposed playing youngn's. Instead it's going to be a full team of them.ThomasFremont said:
This class has much more athleticism than Dorsey. Don't expect them to be physically limited on defense.RoadDawg55 said:
Agree, but most of these guys, except possibly Green, have more to offer than Dorsey.huskyhooligan said:Remember the season that Dorsey had? Expect that for a lot of these guys, with the exception they will have more opportunities to work through (at least hopefully) their issues in game situations.
I agree, the athletes are better and over a year or two development they could be WAY better defensively, but next year is going to be ugly. Everyone remember the likes of Ross trying to play defense his frosh year???? Where'd whooooo gooooo?
Anyway, Dime looks like he may actually be good next year.
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Malik-Dime-155479
Getting a guy in the top 10-15 in the country each year(or 5 of them in UK's case), is not even close to the same as having 5 players ranked 60-100. It is the coach somewhat, but it's also the player(s). You need ELITE guys, not really good guys.
The coach does have something to do with it, as CAL has proved. Romar's worst coaching job was having terrance, cj and wroten on a team and not going far. Cal would have done so much more with that roster.
The elite 8 last year:
Notre Dame
UK
Wisc
Zona
Ville'
Michigan St
Duke
GU
As it was, I still can't believe that team was a #7 seed that was squarely on the bubble before winning the Pac 10 tournament.
You just have to be in the top 68. It's not football. The Dean of Pac 12 ball should understand this.
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Watched some of the NSC league, only saw 4 of the new guys. Thybulle looked the best. Green was impressive as well. Dickerson isn't massive as originally though but he runs the floor well. Crisp likes to let it fly.
